Big Brand names whose products are way overrated

L1011

L1011 wrote: »

For any beer - once they're the same product, at the same temperature, to the same height in the glass - no. Because its the same beer. If I'm given a half filled pint glass with a giant headed, warm beer in it I'll be able to tell it was from a bottle; but that's not taste based.

I'm not sure if bottle and draught Coors come from the same brewery here, btw; but that isn't a very common split.

You have convinced yourself based on visual or other cues - that a bottle of most beers is under a pint; that they are unlikely to be the same temperature (pint bottles are often room temperature and regularly opened fridges aren't as cold as chilled lines), that bottles are often poured badly.

Visual elements have a huge impact on food. People were convinced that Heinz's green ketchup was a different product. It was exactly the same with a taste inert food dye - but everyone expects ketchup to be red, not green.

Everyone does this, to some extent. When you make an effort not to be swayed by it you will stop believing things are different when they are actually just presented differently.

Sure Guinness on draught is excellent in some pubs and undrinkable in others are you saying that’s imagination also?

A can of Guinness does not taste anywhere near as nice as even a half decent pint, the consistency is different and the head is very different. It is easy to tell the difference, they are basically a different drink.

snoopboggybog

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Sure Guinness on draught is excellent in some pubs and undrinkable in others are you saying that’s imagination also?

A can of Guinness does not taste anywhere near as nice as even a half decent pint, the consistency is different and the head is very different. It is easy to tell the difference, they are basically a different drink.

100%, they even said the same about Smitwicks. Imagine comparing a can of Smithwicks to a nice creamy pint of it.

There completely different.

Strumms

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Bunsen or Ricks wipe the floor with it, and for nearly half the price.

Ricks is probably the most underrated burger in the city. Huge and delicious. Prob with Ricks is brilliant location but tiny shop for the demand they have...it’s only comfortable just about to ‘eat in’ say Monday - Wednesday evenings, after that from Thursday nights on it’s usually just rammed with sloppy drinkers..

I know they are there years but be great to have the food made somewhere that could better facilitate the customer..

JohnnyFlash

snoopboggybog wrote: »

100%, they even said the same about Smitwicks. Imagine comparing a can of Smithwicks to a nice creamy pint of it.

There completely different.

I do think lads would find it difficult to differentiate between Beamish and Guinness in a blind pour.

Strumms

L1011 wrote: »

If you think they're dear here; look at the prices in England (NI is the same franchiser as here) :eek:

Am I just using the menu wrong, or is it my browser (safari on iPad) but there seem to be no prices anywhere, weird, Irish site too...ok found a photo... going large it’s about 18 euros for a coke, fries and a burger... that’s about 25 euros if you want a dessert and to tip... wow..

EmmetSpiceland

Strumms wrote: »

Ricks is probably the most underrated burger in the city. Huge and delicious. Prob with Ricks is brilliant location but tiny shop for the demand they have...

I’ve mentioned “Ricks” on this site before. For the price, it has to be the best “value for money” burger around.

Really is an excellent burger.

Some people do take issue with the fact that the meat is halal. Ridiculous stuff. I mean, really??

jj880

Strumms wrote: »

Am I just using the menu wrong, or is it my browser (safari on iPad) but there seem to be no prices anywhere, weird, Irish site too...ok found a photo... going large it’s about 18 euros for a coke, fries and a burger... that’s about 25 euros if you want a dessert and to tip... wow..

Yeah paid about 15 sterling for a burger chips n coke in Newcastle so thats about right. Just to see what the fuss was about. Never again.

Five Guys customers are probably Apple customers too. A marketers wet dream.

L1011

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Sure Guinness on draught is excellent in some pubs and undrinkable in others are you saying that’s imagination also?

A can of Guinness does not taste anywhere near as nice as even a half decent pint, the consistency is different and the head is very different. It is easy to tell the difference, they are basically a different drink.

Stale product is 99% of the 'bad pint' thing in pubs. Actually means the cans are a more consistent decent product.

Are you scared of the blind taste challenge I gave you? Cause you didn't reply to that

L1011

snoopboggybog wrote: »

100%, they even said the same about Smitwicks. Imagine comparing a can of Smithwicks to a nice creamy pint of it.

There completely different.

As soon as someone eulogises 'creamy', you know they've been got by the marketing people

dominatinMC

L1011 wrote: »

As soon as someone eulogises 'creamy', you know they've been got by the marketing people

Jesus, as a moderator, I thought you'd know better. Clogging the last 7/8 pages of this thread with ****e talk about Guinness. Just open a new thread to debate the merits

c.p.w.g.w

snoopboggybog wrote: »

100%, they even said the same about Smitwicks. Imagine comparing a can of Smithwicks to a nice creamy pint of it.

There completely different.

Once you pour the can into a glass there is zero difference.. I actually prefer the bottles as I don't need to dirty a glass

snoopboggybog

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Once you pour the can into a glass there is zero difference.. I actually prefer the bottles as I don't need to dirty a glass

zero difference between a pint out of a tap and and a can?

Whatever you think yourself.

snoopboggybog

L1011 wrote: »

As soon as someone eulogises 'creamy', you know they've been got by the marketing people

Your actually deluded if you think you can't notice the difference between a can and pint.

L1011

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Your actually deluded if you think you can't notice the difference between a can and pint.

Have you ever, ever applied actual scientific method to this?

I guarantee that you cannot tell the difference when blinded. If you like the look, sure, you like the look.

"creamy" and so on is total marketing nonsense that you have totally fallen for. If you were given a pint of actual cream you'd probably vomit half way down.

There is nothing wrong wrong with preferring the visual, mythological or whatever properties of draught - but deluding yourself that its a different product is anti factual.

Saying you prefer draught = fine
Saying draught is better with unprovable, pseudoscientific nonsense = not

Strumms

You would certainly know the difference between a can and a draught pint... and you wouldn’t even need to put either product to your lips... the head for a start, out of the can, it dissipates to fairly thin and flat looking after a two to three minutes, draught, generally not...

A can out of your fridge that’s been a couple of hours is generally colder than Guinness pulled from a tap, it seems to dull the flavor a bit too.

It depends on your taste but certainly if you blindfolded me, same type of glass, one a pulled draught pint, the other poured from a can that had been in the refrigerator I’m telling the difference I think..

L1011

Strumms wrote: »

You would certainly know the difference between a can and a draught pint... and you wouldn’t even need to put either product to your lips... the head for a start, out of the can, it dissipates to fairly thin and flat looking after a two to three minutes, draught, generally not...

You're entirely describing visual differences.

Strumms wrote: »

It depends on your taste but certainly if you blindfolded me, same type of glass, one a pulled draught pint, the other poured from a can that had been in the refrigerator I’m telling the difference I think..

But are somehow certain you could taste the difference blindfolded?




People here are trying to insist that the same liquid has magical properties when coming from a tap; without every actually trying anything that excludes visual differences.

If you like the look of it - fantastic, keep liking it. Stop pretending it changes the liquid.

L1011

L1011 wrote: »

Stale product is 99% of the 'bad pint' thing in pubs. Actually means the cans are a more consistent decent product.

Are you scared of the blind taste challenge I gave you? Cause you didn't reply to that

I will absolutely take on that challenge when it can be arranged sometime down the road.

L1011

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

I will absolutely take on that challenge when it can be arranged sometime down the road.

Great. Prepare to be horrified

(we have actually met in real life, for the benefit of other posters)

Vestiapx

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I live in Germany, and travel extensively as part of my work. There's a heavily-malted dark beer brewed in many countries. Germany has many styles of dark ale for example. As would Russia, Poland, and so on.

Ireland is the last country in Europe where drinking a stout/porter is still widely popular. I'm not a big beer drinker anyway, but find Guinness to be a particularly bland drink. I'd imagine that is part of the appeal. My local supermarket has Leann Folláin in bottles. I will occasionally buy two or three of them.

I didn't realise that LeAnn Folláin was in German shops.

L1011

Vestiapx wrote: »

I didn't realise that LeAnn Foll was in German shops.

Oharas have investment by the firm behind Estrella Galicia and have a huge distribution network. Only Irish beer you'll find easily in Estonian for instance, Guinness being rarer

Vestiapx

L1011 wrote: »

Oharas have investment by the firm behind Estrella Galicia and have a huge distribution network. Only Irish beer you'll find easily in Estonian for instance, Guinness being rarer

Every day is a school day.

Kaybaykwah

Did anyone mention Dyson vacs?

Lol. The worst.

Part of the pitch was they did away with a bag. All you Dyson owners have had the same mess happen, trying to empty that stoopid canister with a screwdriver, whatnot.

Also, ever notice the toilet hand driers by Dyson. What a ridiculously retrograde concept. They are not an improvement over older models but have a led light in a small aperture over which you are meant to stick your hands without touching the machine. You need to stand right above the unit so the water from your hands and germs from everybody mingle to shoot up in your face. A truly topnotch novelty in the era of covid19, especially since the later model driers don't need to be touched and are straightforward as they should be.

Did I mention Dyson?

EmmetSpiceland

L1011 wrote: »

Great. Prepare to be horrified

(we have actually met in real life, for the benefit of other posters)

But sure when you blindfold someone you can “convince” them they are eating apple when it’s actually pear.

If you gave me a pint of Guinness, unmarked, and a pint with a can of Guinness I would back myself to taste the difference.

Same goes for Coke v Diet Coke/Coke Zero, Coke v Pepsi, Pepsi v Pepsi Max. I know the tastes I prefer.

florawest

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Kelloggs

They are a little better than the own brand stuff, but not four times the price better.

I normally buy own brand cereal but it has to be Kelllogg's cornflakes for me,
more expensive better taste, stock up when on offer.

Randy Archer

Assuming a lot of this site are male commentators, I am rather surprise how so many know a thing or ten about vacuum cleaners lol. Isn’t that what paid cleaners, maids or the .... are for ? Is there some fetish amongst the men over vacuums that we don’t know about ?

Wow

kingtiger

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Gotta disagree to some extent with both.

I took apart a MacBook a few years ago. The entire lower body had been milled from a single billet of aluminium, and the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer. As a mechanical engineer, I was shocked at the lengths they had gone to.

That level of quality doesn't come cheap, so if you're prepared to pay for it, then fair enough.

Will most people notice the difference? Probably not.

This statement is completely incorrect, I fix laptops and macbooks and completely disagree with everything you have said

watch Louis Rossman on the repeated failures I have also seen on these "quality" products

https://youtu.be/AUaJ8pDlxi8

FFVII

kingtiger wrote: »

This statement is completely incorrect, I fix laptops and macbooks and completely disagree with everything you have said

watch Louis Rossman on the repeated failures I have also seen on these "quality" products

https://youtu.be/AUaJ8pDlxi8

Lazy idiots who spend hundreds more than you need to for yesterday's tech need only watch the first 5 minutes to still not open your eyes.

kingtiger

FFVII wrote: »

Lazy idiots who spend hundreds more than you need to for yesterday's tech need only watch the first 5 minutes to still not open your eyes.

it just the statement made by another poster that annoyed me

"the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer."

putting in 5000 screws has nothing to do with key sensitivity, its to do with making their products harder to repair

take a macbook to a authorized Apple repair centre and they will probably charge you more for a replacement part than the Mac is worth, and they don't actually fix the motherboard they just replace it (so much for the environment)

I could probably fix the same problem for a few quid in parts, but then again I can't actually get the parts from Apple and have to rely on donor boards

I wish people would open their eyes and see what this company are really like

Ush1

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

But sure when you blindfold someone you can “convince” them they are eating apple when it’s actually pear.

If you gave me a pint of Guinness, unmarked, and a pint with a can of Guinness I would back myself to taste the difference.

Same goes for Coke v Diet Coke/Coke Zero, Coke v Pepsi, Pepsi v Pepsi Max. I know the tastes I prefer.

But those are different drinks. His point is this is the exact same drink.

Floppybits

IKea

Roger the cabin boy

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Gotta disagree to some extent with both.

There certainly is a level of quality with Apple products that you don't tend to get in cheaper alternatives. I don't include Samsung in that.

I took apart a MacBook a few years ago. The entire lower body had been milled from a single billet of aluminium, and the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer. As a mechanical engineer, I was shocked at the lengths they had gone to.

That level of quality doesn't come cheap, so if you're prepared to pay for it, then fair enough.

Will most people notice the difference? Probably not.

Since when is inappropriate over engineering a good thing?

Ush1

Ush1 wrote: »

But those are different drinks. His point is this is the exact same drink.

That has a considerable taste difference due to how it is stored and served.

anewme

Randy Archer wrote: »

Assuming a lot of this site are male commentators, I am rather surprise how so many know a thing or ten about vacuum cleaners lol. Isn’t that what paid cleaners, maids or the .... are for ? Is there some fetish amongst the men over vacuums that we don’t know about ?

Wow

Sorry?

beerguts

George Foreman grills are the biggest heap of ****e. I have one where the grill trays are removable for dish-washing but it is so poorly designed that the top portion constantly falls of when cooking if you try to open the lid.

Hasbro.
The critique by Ted in Ted 1 was good.

JohnnyFlash

beerguts wrote: »

George Foreman grills are the biggest heap of ****e. I have one where the grill trays are removable for dish-washing but it is so poorly designed that the top portion constantly falls of when cooking if you try to open the lid.

Used to make good quality gear when the brand first came out. Then the brand gets sold to another group who outsource the manufacturing to China. The quality drops through the floor, but they sweat the brand reputation until people realise they are buying shïte.

Sports Direct is also notorious for this - see former quality brands like Karrimor who get bought over and have their manufacturing outsourced to the lowest bidder.

CrankyHaus

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Used to make good quality gear when the brand first came out. Then the brand gets sold to another group who outsource the manufacturing to China. The quality drops through the floor, but they sweat the brand reputation until people realise they are buying shïte.

Sports Direct is also notorious for this - see former quality brands like Karrimor who get bought over and have their manufacturing outsourced to the lowest bidder.

Phillips went the same way, for small electronics at least.
I bought a pair of headphones and the power cable connection just fell out of them after a few months, utter junk.