Big Brand names whose products are way overrated

Feisar

Greyfox wrote: »

Or if you prefer an android device you just buy that, the best ones are just as good as the latest iPhone. I think most people who buy the latest version of a companies new phone straight away are idiots, anybody who queues up for a piece of tech is a fool.

But the biggest clowns of all are those who think most of the food in dunnes/super valu is far superior to Lidl/Aldi, these people need to start using their common sense.

Same with a most butchers, they are pretty much just meat unpackers these days.

JL555

Greyfox wrote: »

Or if you prefer an android device you just buy that, the best ones are just as good as the latest iPhone. I think most people who buy the latest version of a companies new phone straight away are idiots, anybody who queues up for a piece of tech is a fool.

But the biggest clowns of all are those who think most of the food in dunnes/super valu is far superior to Lidl/Aldi, these people need to start using their common sense.

Lol... take a seat and chill man.

kirving

L1011 wrote: »

You've a lovely set of mental hoops there to convince yourself that Apple kit isn't made by the same Chinese outsourcers in the first place.

They're a Foxconn rebadger, same as others

L1011 wrote: »

You've a lovely set of mental hoops there to convince yourself that Apple kit isn't made by the same Chinese outsourcers in the first place.

They're a Foxconn rebadger, same as others

Gotta disagree to some extent with both.

There certainly is a level of quality with Apple products that you don't tend to get in cheaper alternatives. I don't include Samsung in that.

I took apart a MacBook a few years ago. The entire lower body had been milled from a single billet of aluminium, and the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer. As a mechanical engineer, I was shocked at the lengths they had gone to.

That level of quality doesn't come cheap, so if you're prepared to pay for it, then fair enough.

Will most people notice the difference? Probably not.

L1011

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Gotta disagree to some extent with both.

There certainly is a level of quality with Apple products that you don't tend to get in cheaper alternatives. I don't include Samsung in that.

I took apart a MacBook a few years ago. The entire lower body had been milled from a single billet of aluminium, and the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer. As a mechanical engineer, I was shocked at the lengths they had gone to.

That level of quality doesn't come cheap, so if you're prepared to pay for it, then fair enough.

Will most people notice the difference? Probably not.

The same era of macbooks have keyboards that fail if dust gets in to them. They don't focus on the engineering that's important.

Melanchthon

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Gotta disagree to some extent with both.

There certainly is a level of quality with Apple products that you don't tend to get in cheaper alternatives. I don't include Samsung in that.

I took apart a MacBook a few years ago. The entire lower body had been milled from a single billet of aluminium, and the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer. As a mechanical engineer, I was shocked at the lengths they had gone to.

That level of quality doesn't come cheap, so if you're prepared to pay for it, then fair enough.

Will most people notice the difference? Probably not.

But for a MacBook your basically looking at business class pricing, from my experience business class non Mac laptops have great build quality too, look at IBM ThinkPads (not sure what they are like now Leveno took over though) or HP Elitebooks and Probooks, absolute beasts of machines in terms of ruggedness in no way comparible to the build quality of a cheap Dell or Asus say.

Something I will defend Apple on though is, are those that think Apple are worse for privacy than Android not living in the past a bit, is it actually possible these days to use say a few Google products on your phone without handing over an awful lot? A real question as looked at this couple of years ago and seemed nearly impossible but not highly knowledgeable about this?

secondrowgal

9 pages and no one has mentioned Nandos? Dry, tasteless, ****e of the highest degree.

jetsonx

secondrowgal wrote: »

9 pages and no one has mentioned Nandos? Dry, tasteless, ****e of the highest degree.

The relationship between the Irish consumer and Nandos is still in the honeymoon phase. During this phase their flash frozen food still seems "exotic" in the same way those first branches of Subway did 15 years ago. Give it time though, and consumers will realise there is nothing exotic about seasoned mass produced chicken from a freezer.

Muahahaha

L1011 wrote: »

McDonnell (Douglas were fine) management took over with their policies of milking existing designs to the death. x

McDD never designed a single new aircraft after the McDonnell - Douglas merger; they just twiddled the DC9 and DC10 designs over and over again.

Boeing have basically just done the same, but even worse. Latest twiddle of the 1960s 737max dives out of the sky killing everyone on board; latest twiddle of the 1990s 777X explodes during testing. Somehow manages to force the US government to accept a twiddle of the early 80s 767 as their new tanker but can't deliver the damn thing properly.

Boeing would willingly replace life-expired designs pre-merger; McDonnell management doesn't understand the idea of something being life expired.


Also, the outsourcing began in earnest under them, which manipulated headcount figures and balance sheet numbers to boost the stock prices. Outsourcing is a major factor in why the 787 used to go on fire. And they also moved to McDonnell's really dodgy (but legal) programme accounting practices that hide losses in future years, which let them raise the stock price and pay dividends when the 787 was really bleeding so much money the company was at risk.

If Boeing cease to exist it will be no loss and entirely their own fault.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Regards the outsourcing- did that go to American companies or across to Asia.

In regard to them ceasing to exist I read somewhere before that the US govt. considers them to be critical infrastructure and therefore 'too big to fail'. I'd imagine they will have the begging bowl out to Trump in the coming months.

Muahahaha

Gael23 wrote: »

All very true. However I still won’t be without Fairy/Jif for some reason

Yeah I think Fairy has brand loyalty from some people who grew up with it and just wouldnt buy anything else. But that loyalty is on the wane and they need to attract younger customers who didnt grow up with the brand, hence their re-casting of the Fairy baby as a motorbiker with a cockney accent.

The Fairy brand messaging for decades used to be that using Fairy will give your hands baby soft skin, now they've flipped that around completely and the Fairy baby is a hard biker who talks with an east Lawndawn accent and will blast away the dirt on your dishes. Its all a bit bizarre.

https://twitter.com/Confused_Dude/status/936908801139027970

L1011

Muahahaha wrote: »

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Regards the outsourcing- did that go to American companies or across to Asia.

In regard to them ceasing to exist I read somewhere before that the US govt. considers them to be critical infrastructure and therefore 'too big to fail'. I'd imagine they will have the begging bowl out to Trump in the coming months.

US firms in 'right to work' (meaning: no unions, no benefits, no rights) states; because they found Washingtonians expensive.

secondrowgal

secondrowgal wrote: »

9 pages and no one has mentioned Nandos? Dry, tasteless, ****e of the highest degree.

I quite like Nando’s, never got the hate from some tbh.

Ipso

jetsonx wrote: »

The relationship between the Irish consumer and Nandos is still in the honeymoon phase. During this phase their flash frozen food still seems "exotic" in the same way those first branches of Subway did 15 years ago. Give it time though, and consumers will realise there is nothing exotic about seasoned mass produced chicken from a freezer.

I used to love it when I was in Australia in 2004, it was the spicy sauce that done it for me

kowloon

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Name one.

Beef. Your move Johnny. :cool:

L1011

jetsonx wrote: »

The relationship between the Irish consumer and Nandos is still in the honeymoon phase. During this phase their flash frozen food still seems "exotic" in the same way those first branches of Subway did 15 years ago. Give it time though, and consumers will realise there is nothing exotic about seasoned mass produced chicken from a freezer.

Subway have been in Ireland for near to 30 years. The Nassau Street branch is open from maybe 1992.

Homelander

I have to agree with Nando's. I ate there twice and while it wasn't terrible, it was completely unremarkable and pretty expensive for what it was. I did like the unlimited ice-cream option though.

Subway, by comparison, I wouldn't say is over-rated because really, they just make decent sandwiches you can cram as much fillings into as you want. No-one ever really claims they make the worlds best sandwiches or anything like that.

A footlong for a €5 after 5pm as well goes in their favor, I rate them highly for that reason, not necessarily on the quality of their actual food.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Would be nice to see a thread with the opposite, big brands that have great quality products

secondrowgal

And of course, Dunkin Donuts! It isn’t as if there isn’t the most fab donoughts to be had on O’Connell Street (or at least there used to be?? That kiosk near Cleary’s.

EmmetSpiceland

secondrowgal wrote: »

And of course, Dunkin Donuts! It isn’t as if there isn’t the most fab donoughts to be had on O’Connell Street (or at least there used to be?? That kiosk near Cleary’s.

Krispy Kreme Doughnuts are disgusting.

lsjmhar

Littlehorny wrote: »

BMW, Mercedes and Audi basically all the German "premium" car range. All style over substance, unreliable, horrendously hard to work on and mortgage level repair bill when something goes wrong.
Even standard German makes are overrated as well - Opel (pure muck) and VW (about the best of a bad lot granted)

What's agood european car?

L1011

secondrowgal wrote: »

And of course, Dunkin Donuts! It isn’t as if there isn’t the most fab donoughts to be had on O’Connell Street (or at least there used to be?? That kiosk near Cleary’s.

Dunkin are gone from Ireland for maybe 20 years. Are you possibly thinking of Krispy Kreme who came here recently?

The booth on O'Connell Street is Rolling Donut - fried grease. They have multiple branches now.

Offbeat are vastly superior.

Sultan of Bling

lsjmhar wrote:

What's agood european car?

Dacia all the way.

kowloon

secondrowgal wrote: »

And of course, Dunkin Donuts! It isn’t as if there isn’t the most fab donoughts to be had on O’Connell Street (or at least there used to be?? That kiosk near Cleary’s.

The doughnut kiosk! Used to go there whenever I was in that part of town. The plain sugar ones, fresh from the fryer. Thanks for the nostalgia .

Still, it's a bit mad how adamant some people in this thread are that other people's favourite food is somehow wrong.

The thread is a magnet for defensive snobs trying to defend their brand like it's a matter of honour and loyalty.

John_Rambo

lsjmhar wrote: »

What's agood european car?

Alfa Romeo of course.

Capt'n Midnight

Adyx wrote: »

It's an aluminium stand. You could get any mechanical engineering student in the country to knock one out for under €100. And the only other option besides this stand is a $200 VESA mount which again, most monitors come with or have for reasonable price.

The monitor itself is top class for sure, but there's plenty of other manufacturers producing similar quality monitors and even the ones costing several grand at least include a fcking stand. :rolleyes:

Apple were charging $999 for a monitor stand.

No swivel and not much height adjustment.

Sheep Shagger

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Dacia all the way.

The cheap sub brand of Renault- not a huge fan of Darcia.

Capt'n Midnight

John Deere.


Or John extremely dear if you want to get your tractor or combine looked at. Because it's full software lockdown.

Snails pace

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

John Deere.


Or John extremely dear if you want to get your tractor or combine looked at. Because it's full software lockdown.

Unfortunately all machinery brands are gone like that. All mechanics have laptops and if the issue doesn't appear on the laptop it doesn't exist.

secondrowgal

Yes, thanks all, meant Krispy Kreme “donuts”. But any of them really.

Capt'n Midnight

Snails pace wrote: »

Unfortunately all machinery brands are gone like that. All mechanics have laptops and if the issue doesn't appear on the laptop it doesn't exist.

The difference is that thanks to the EU the diagnostics on pretty much every car on the road nowadays can be read by anyone with a generic reader.

You aren't forced to go to a main dealer every single time.

ShatterAlan

the beer revolu wrote: »

A 20 year old dog would make it into the top 20 oldest dogs recorded.
I'd take those ages with a huge pinch of salt.
I'm surprised that my dad didn't have a 31 year old dog - he wasn't great with facts!

My mother's Jack Russell, Sally was put to sleep not long after turning 19....but yeah a 28 year old Collie (or any dog) is indeed a rarity.

Muahahaha

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

John Deere.


Or John extremely dear if you want to get your tractor or combine looked at. Because it's full software lockdown.

If she's not red keep her in the shed

ozmo

MattS1 wrote: »

Would be nice to see a thread with the opposite, big brands that have great quality products

Have to say anything by Samsung as being one of those good ones - all those products you like from other companies- probably relies heavily on batteries, components, chips or whole screen panels by them inside.... As well as pretty decent mobiles and tvs.

ShatterAlan

Strumms wrote: »

Never understood why anybody would like Budweiser, pîss. Ok taste is subjective but still. With the absolute multiple of beers now available and on draft too, I just wonder if they are selling Budweiser as much as say the last number of years.

It's mass marketing / brainwashing. In the States I went to a bar on Long Island with some American colleagues. The place had a huge selection of international beers on tap and in bottles. I had a pint of Spaten on draught, then a Dinkel Acker and a few others. One American mate tried a few different ones but the others just stuck to Bud or Miller Geniune Draft crap. A pint of Staroprammen was just way out of their comfort zone. Saddo's.

ShatterAlan

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Don’t use them, myself, I go with the Gillette Mach 3 blades but I have used Bic razors in the past. They are “single use” only but they are incredibly good at what they are supposed to do.

The blade, itself, is exceptionally sharp. If you’re left with cuts all over your face you are, clearly, rushing the shave and that is something you cannot do with a Bic. And that’s on you.

A steady hand and time are the only things you need to have a good shave with a “disposable” blade.

Respectfully, I completely disagree. I know that BIC disposable razors are a single use item. I get shredded using one straight out of the pack first time and I do know how to shave and I have a steady hand. My skin is very smooth without bumps and my facial hair is thick but soft once well warmed up and soaped / gelled. I use Gillette Mach 3 myself and used to use Gillette Sensor which was almost as good. If I forget to bring the Mach 3 on hols or am out of cartridges the disposable Gillette Blue II is perfect. Slides away the beard like a windscreen wiper. BIC.....absolutely dismal.

Montage of Feck

lsjmhar wrote: »

What's agood european car?

Morris, I hear the new minor is a fantastic car.

shaveAbullock

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Apple were charging $999 for a monitor stand.

No swivel and not much height adjustment.

Apple don't really care about macs, their main business is phones.
That stand has given the brand so much exposure for free, just think how much that would have cost!

MastiffMrs

lsjmhar wrote: »

What's agood european car?

Citroen and newest Peugeot range, really stylish, reliable and cheap to run. Some renaults are good too.

Agree 100% that German cars are overhyped and overpriced.

ShatterAlan

Cienciano wrote: »

It sells, why would they change it? I don't think it tastes bad, it has almost no taste. That's why it's successful, it's so inoffensive.



I would assume Bud doesn't have the same market share as before (in the US anyway), not because people don't like it, it's because so many more bland beers have taken some of their market share. Miller, coors, anything with the words "lite" or "ice" are popular now and they all are similar to bud so like watered down beer versions of beer.

Well therein lies the rub. Yes, it sells but it's still a sh1t product and that's what this thread is about. Big brand names with sh1t products. So it's profit over quality with crap like Budweiser. It is also possible to work to improve a product and still have it sell...maybe even sell more.


But it seems that the products that have been improved over the years are a mere fraction of those that have been disimproved in the quest to maximise profits. The great capitalist credo.


Actually I can't think of a product that was poor or average and has been much improved. Maybe the packaging has been made more convenient like a screw top on a carton of milk instead of that dire pop-top way of opening the fcuker...but that's about it.

RandomViewer

John_Rambo wrote: »

Alfa Romeo of course.

Choke!!!!! Anyone remember when they teamed up with Nissan in the early 80's Italian style and Japanese reliability, some hope, they stuck an Alfa engine in a aDatsun

RandomViewer

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Morris, I hear the new minor is a fantastic car.

Not half the car of the Austin Allegro,they even reinvented the steering wheel

RandomViewer

lsjmhar wrote: »

What's agood european car?

Volvo, I know they use Ford bits butit doesnt matter

John_Rambo

lsjmhar wrote: »

What's agood european car?

RandomViewer wrote: »

Choke!!!!! Anyone remember when they teamed up with Nissan in the early 80's Italian style and Japanese reliability, some hope, they stuck an Alfa engine in a aDatsun

Alfas are epic... along with Ferrari, Citroen, Lamborghini, Maserati, Peugeot, Aston Martin, Porsche, Koenigsegg, Volvo and Caterham.

One for everyone!

John_Rambo

RandomViewer wrote: »

Volvo, I know they use Ford bits butit doesnt matter

Especially a Ford ST engine in a Volvo V70!

MetzgerMeister

I'm amazed at the number of people that consider Dyson to be crap. I bought a V8 3 years ago, use it at least every 2 days for something around the house or the car and I love it to this day. Never had any issue with it at all. Miele hoovers are good but for what the Dyson gives you (cordless, lighter, more user friendly and with a load of attachments) it's hard to see any downside from my experience.

As far as crap products, my dad bought a brand new Husqvarna ride-on lawn mower 2 years ago. It's very rattly and feels cheap, nothing but trouble with it in regard not being able to start it, juddering issues, the latch on the seat broke meaning the seat travelled forward of its own accord and more. For a brand that's supposed to be bulletproof they certainly have gone downhill in recent years.

tedpan

RandomViewer wrote:

Volvo, I know they use Ford bits butit doesnt matter

Ford sold Volvo 10 years ago! It's owned by Geely now.

RandomViewer

tedpan wrote: »

Ford sold Volvo 10 years ago! It's owned by Geely now.

Ford platforms in use , no Geely input till 2017,

ozmo

No complaints with Dyson(cordless models only), Iphone and Ipad - I get great use out of them.

As neat as they look I Wouldn't use any other Apple or Dyson products though- unrepairable macs and 400 to 500 for a dyson hairdryer :O

But Id like add Commodore 64 to the junk list- school mates always telling how cool they were when they came out In 80s (i had various spectrums) - got the c64 mini recently and its terrible - games included were unplayable.

road_high

lsjmhar wrote: »

What's agood european car?

Skoda, Peugeot both pretty good and would have no problem buying privately.

ShatterAlan

Capt. Autumn wrote: »

Copper Face Jacks

Inexplicably popular city niteclub for culchies with no sense of style, taste or personality.

Are you NUTS?


If you haven't been pushed up against the wall by a ripe Mayo filly with boobs undulating like two blancmanges in a gale and have her shove her tongue in your mouth then you are just letting the best of life pass you by.

ShatterAlan

Gael23 wrote: »

Big brand cleaning products when Tesco own brand stuff does nearly as good a job

:pac: