If Work From Home becomes a thing...

Blanco100

Biker79 wrote: »

A client of the company I work for has opened up their offices, ending their pandemic WFH arrangements.

This is a high value services company, staffed with some capable people with a high turnover. Its run very well.

All of them have returned and there will be no post pandemic WFH options that werent there before the lockdown. Whats more, they are all happy with this arrangement. Their competitors in the same industry will be following suit.

It seems there are a lot of MDs out there that do not value WFH in the way that was expected.

Whats the type of business? Their high turnover may become high turnover of staff if they don't adapt.

If you can effectively do your job to same standard and deadlines as if you were in office, then a company simply isnt moving with the times.

Completely understand some roles necessitate being on site though.

Biker79

Blanco100 wrote: »

Whats the type of business?

Aircraft leasing.

andrew1977

Back to the office for the 23 or so of us 10th August , email sent today to everyone from the management
Redesign of the office , seats 2 metres apart , plastic screens at each work station, no gathering in the kitchen for lunch breaks etc .

Training on health and safety and Covid practices to be complete online week before we return .

Full crew of us all return same day and normal office hours again going forward .

We worked fine remotely all of us , everything done and more of our workload . The culture is “ have them in the office “, MD is old school .

Back to my 2 hour round trip commute per day and 55 euro or so a week on diesel .

Working from home made such a positive impact to my wellbeing , 19 years commuting , was such a difference the time back I gained at home ,leaving aside the running costs of the car .

But considering the jobs market and how things might look going forward for the economy, I won’t grumble too much compared to situations others are facing .

Jim Root

andrew1977 wrote: »

Back to the office for the 23 or so of us 10th August , email sent today to everyone from the management
Redesign of the office , seats 2 metres apart , plastic screens at each work station, no gathering in the kitchen for lunch breaks etc .

Training on health and safety and Covid practices to be complete online week before we return .

Full crew of us all return same day and normal office hours again going forward .

We worked fine remotely all of us , everything done and more of our workload . The culture is “ have them in the office “, MD is old school .

Back to my 2 hour round trip commute per day and 55 euro or so a week on diesel .

Working from home made such a positive impact to my wellbeing , 19 years commuting , was such a difference the time back I gained at home ,leaving aside the running costs of the car .

But considering the jobs market and how things might look going forward for the economy, I won’t grumble too much compared to situations others are facing .

Going back 5 days fully is backward thinking & it’s very much old school bosses who want things back the way they were.

Most companies I know off are gently tipping their toe in the water with minimum days in the office, majority WFH.

unhappys10

Biker79 wrote: »

Aircraft leasing.

Luckily everyone doesn't think the same as that company's management.
I work in aircraft leasing and from next month there will be voluntary attendance at the office. My wife is in a vulnerable category so I reckon I'm out for rest of the year.
We have had no loss of productivity, if anything our work rate has increased and I have come up with a new formula driven excel template which will shave days off the finance teams monthly work load.
Our CEO has said he doesn't mind where we work once the work gets done and WFH will be a feature into the future.

As another poster above said, any employers who don't adapt will see employees go where they can get flexible arrangements.

I could never see myself going back to an office full time after this. If they want me back a day or two a week fair enough but I won't go back full time.
If they tried to force it (which they won't) I'd simply go elsewhere.

andrew1977

Jim Root wrote: »

Going back 5 days fully is backward thinking & it’s very much old school bosses who want things back the way they were.

Most companies I know off are gently tipping their toe in the water with minimum days in the office, majority WFH.

Yes , fully agree with you there . Our MD is a decent fella but won’t embrace new ways of working . He likes to micro manage everything and has the air of a school head master watching over his pupils in class every day .
I’ve a good salary there , start and finish early each day to beat some of the traffic ( that was his way of being flexible ) , so I won’t be budging unless I get something in my home town . I’ve been searching 19 years , nothing for my line of work really in my home town

tony1980

andrew1977 wrote: »

Yes , fully agree with you there . Our MD is a decent fella but won’t embrace new ways of working . He likes to micro manage everything and has the air of a school head master watching over his pupils in class every day .
I’ve a good salary there , start and finish early each day to beat some of the traffic ( that was his way of being flexible ) , so I won’t be budging unless I get something in my home town . I’ve been searching 19 years , nothing for my line of work really in my home town

Time for him to retire perhaps?

andrew1977

tony1980 wrote: »

Time for him to retire perhaps?

I wish , still have a good few years of the dreaded commute ahead of me still unfortunately.

As for the MD, another 10 years left in him I’d say , fingers crossed he might develop a culture change going forward .
2 days a week even from home would be superb .

unhappys10

andrew1977 wrote: »

I wish , still have a good few years of the dreaded commute ahead of me still unfortunately.

Move somewhere in the same location that gives you some wfh?

strandroad

andrew1977 wrote: »

I’ve a good salary there , start and finish early each day to beat some of the traffic ( that was his way of being flexible ) , so I won’t be budging unless I get something in my home town . I’ve been searching 19 years , nothing for my line of work really in my home town

Why not WFH for a company based where your current one is? Location doesn't matter much then. Must be commutable enough to show up for an odd meeting is all.

andrew1977

unhappys10 wrote: »

Move somewhere in the same location that gives you some wfh?

Yes for sure , will be keeping my eye out and do regularly on the job search locally and working from home option . I’ll sit tight to see how the next 12 months or so pan out .

Stheno

I won't be back in the office until January at the earliest as is the same for several hundred of my colleagues

When we do go back, it's likely to be a couple of days a month

Productivity has shot up with wfh

Work in IT

tony1980

We still have the option and sounds like it will be for at least a few months. Some have gone back in but on alternate weeks as it’s a small office but it’s voluntary! I have someone in a vulnerable category at home so I’d say awhile for me. I’ve been more productive from home due to no distractions but wouldn’t mind a couple of days a week in the office long term as I miss the social element!

Work in IT too but as an Analyst.

NewMan1982

About 65% of my office work from home due to covid. We are a multinational, they have already said it’s back to normal when covid is over. Everyone in the office every day.
It’s a pity.

andrew1977

unhappys10 wrote: »

Move somewhere in the same location that gives you some wfh?

Yes , been watching the jobs market and hopefully something comes up eventually.
5 days a week in the office commuting 19 years , the lockdown gave me a new perspective on things .
All our productivity has increased , this is acknowledged by the management, just the old school mentality of bums on seats is the ethos we have .

I have online calls one full morning and one full afternoon per week , and calls various other time’s of the days in the week , I’ll know be sitting in an office ( meeting rooms off limit now due to Covid restrictions) , all of us talking into headsets and breaking each other’s concentration, when I know I could do the call better sitting at my kitchen table as we all have for the past 5 months .Ive to drive into the office now as such to be seen sitting there and on the phone , madness when you think of it .

tony1980

These guys need to trust their employees to do their job, if it’s project related, it’s very obvious if they aren’t so then sack and hire someone new.

unhappys10

andrew1977 wrote: »

Yes , been watching the jobs market and hopefully something comes up eventually.
5 days a week in the office commuting 19 years , the lockdown gave me a new perspective on things .
All our productivity has increased , this is acknowledged by the management, just the old school mentality of bums on seats is the ethos we have .

I have online calls one full morning and one full afternoon per week , and calls various other time’s of the days in the week , I’ll know be sitting in an office ( meeting rooms off limit now due to Covid restrictions) , all of us talking into headsets and breaking each other’s concentration, when I know I could do the call better sitting at my kitchen table as we all have for the past 5 months .Ive to drive into the office now as such to be seen sitting there and on the phone , madness when you think of it .

Is there no talking to them and explaining the benefits all round of staying at home?

andrew1977

unhappys10 wrote: »

Is there no talking to them and explaining the benefits all round of staying at home?

The attitude is / was ... if we give it to one we have to give it to all .

Let’s see how the next few months shape up and if their attitude to working from home changes .
Our work was critical during the pandemic and we excelled and delivered everything asked of us and more , all sitting at our own kitchen tables .

unhappys10

andrew1977 wrote: »

The attitude is / was ... if we give it to one we have to give it to all .

Let’s see how the next few months shape up and if their attitude to working from home changes .
Our work was critical during the pandemic and we excelled and delivered everything asked of us and more , all sitting at our own kitchen tables .

You're right, it's actually crazy the attitude they have. How can they not see the benefits

strandroad

andrew1977 wrote: »

The attitude is / was ... if we give it to one we have to give it to all .

Let’s see how the next few months shape up and if their attitude to working from home changes .
Our work was critical during the pandemic and we excelled and delivered everything asked of us and more , all sitting at our own kitchen tables .

Will they expect the same productivity when the commute is back on? Interesting times.

andrew1977

strandroad wrote: »

Will they expect the same productivity when the commute is back on? Interesting times.

I’ll be arriving at work just before start time and leaving for home on time every evening to get a head start on the heavy traffic .
Working from home I regularly stayed online a bit longer / started earlier ,checked work later in the evening and gave a bit extra , saving time from the driving I didn’t mind .Add in the restrictions of the office going forward , meeting rooms closed off , more frustration and less concentration is what I can see.

riclad

Let's say there's 3 or 4 people sharing a house,
Working from home is gonna be tough, you either work in a bedroom,
or else share a front room with at least 2 other people.
It's not going to practical if you need to make lots of zoom, Skype calls.
You could end up spending most of the day in 1 room. That's not designed as an office.
With no space for a desk or proper chair like they have in an office.
I think most company's will need staff to come in 1 or 2 days a week.
If you work for most company's they will expect you to live in Ireland .
Maybe in 2 years time things will return to normal . No one knows how long it will take to make a vaccine.

tony1980

riclad wrote: »

Let's say there's 3 or 4 people sharing a house,
Working from home is gonna be tough, you either work in a bedroom,
or else share a front room with at least 2 other people.
It's not going to practical if you need to make lots of zoom, Skype calls.
You could end up spending most of the day in 1 room. That's not designed as an office.
With no space for a desk or proper chair like they have in an office.
I think most company's will need staff to come in 1 or 2 days a week.
If you work for most company's they will expect you to live in Ireland .
Maybe in 2 years time things will return to normal . No one knows how long it will take to make a vaccine.

Managed it with kids in the house with no school and I’ve often been on a zoom call with customers where someone has apologized for kids randomly making noise. Was quick to sort and never an issue. Everyone adapted easily in my experience!

Edit: our company let us take office chairs and monitors. I realize not all night have but they should have.

The Spider

andrew1977 wrote: »

Back to the office for the 23 or so of us 10th August , email sent today to everyone from the management
Redesign of the office , seats 2 metres apart , plastic screens at each work station, no gathering in the kitchen for lunch breaks etc .

Training on health and safety and Covid practices to be complete online week before we return .

Full crew of us all return same day and normal office hours again going forward .

We worked fine remotely all of us , everything done and more of our workload . The culture is “ have them in the office “, MD is old school .

Back to my 2 hour round trip commute per day and 55 euro or so a week on diesel .

Working from home made such a positive impact to my wellbeing , 19 years commuting , was such a difference the time back I gained at home ,leaving aside the running costs of the car .

But considering the jobs market and how things might look going forward for the economy, I won’t grumble too much compared to situations others are facing .

Look for a new job, seriously I know times are weird,but if I was you Id be looking, now you know you prefer remote, go make it happen, always remember no one owns you, you're selling your services to give you what you want not what a company wants to hive you.

Mrs OBumble

tony1980 wrote: »

Managed it with kids in the house with no school and I’ve often been on a zoom call with customers where someone has apologized for kids randomly making noise. Was quick to sort and never an issue. Everyone adapted easily in my experience!

Edit: our company let us take office chairs and monitors. I realize not all night have but they should have.

Fine for people who have enough space in their houses for office chairs - but many don't.

People making allowances for dogs / kids in the background is fine in pandemic circumstances, but won't last forever. Not being responsible for kids during work hours will soon enough be a requirement.

Biker79

The Spider wrote: »

Look for a new job, seriously I know times are weird,but if I was you Id be looking, now you know you prefer remote, go make it happen, always remember no one owns you, you're selling your services to give you what you want not what a company wants to hive you.

There arent as many options as you might think. Other companies wont neccessarily be offering something different.

If anythign we could see most companies hunkering down, reluctant to try untested ways of working. 5 months isnt long enough to test WFH as a permanent option. They know what to expect when everyone has to work from the office. Its manageable.

The Spider

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Fine for people who have enough space in their houses for office chairs - but many don't.

People making allowances for dogs / kids in the background is fine in pandemic circumstances, but won't last forever. Not being responsible for kids during work hours will soon enough be a requirement.

Ha ha, yeah it'll only ge a requirement for companies that can railroad their staff into going what they want, ie unskilled workers, anyone who has skills that are in demand is not going to put up with that, and will move on.

If creches and schools aren't open, what are people supposed to do?

Way I see it is if a company wants that, well then they need to up the salary do that a household can survive on one salary and one parent can keep an eye on the kids while the other works. Of course that won't happen, so the reality is as soon as a company starts making those demands, High skilled workers will leave for better opportunities.

fret_wimp2

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Fine for people who have enough space in their houses for office chairs - but many don't.

If someone wants to WFH, its their responsibility to ensure they can do so comfortably, and if that includes having space for a fancy chair or not, is down to that person. if they feel lack of space for a big chair prevents them being able to avail of WFH, then they should go back to the office once that option becomes available.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

People making allowances for dogs / kids in the background is fine in pandemic circumstances, but won't last forever. Not being responsible for kids during work hours will soon enough be a requirement.

I find the opposite, people dont mind. People want to get work done, and the occasional kid shouting or dog barking wont get in the way for professionals.

I can only speak for our experience, but i have a toddler running around and am no less productive. many on the team have kids and are no less productive. if anything, we all know each other a bit better now from seeing our various circumstances and its actually brought more empathy and flexibility to the team. If a company is getting pissy about a child interrupting 2 mins of an hour meeting every now and again, I probably wouldnt fit into the culture there. YMMV.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Not being responsible for kids during work hours will soon enough be a requirement.

It will be a requirement as soon as creche's and schools are viable again and not before, at which point parents will hopefully be happy to have their kids back with their friends and under a structured learning programme.


In the organization i work, and all of my friends, without exception, WFH is now a long term viable option. Productivity has not suffered, some of their companies are even closing down city center offices saving on costs, all are comfortable with employees working from home, as long as theres some flexibility to be in the office on occasion where necessary.

People in my org have even moved out of Dublin and back nearer family based on the new view of WFH.

Perhaps my group of friends and the various organizations we work for are the exception though, and everyone else will be ordered back to their desks at the earliest option.

The Spider

Biker79 wrote: »

There arent as many options as you might think. Other companies wont neccessarily be offering something different.

If anythign we could see most companies hunkering down, reluctant to try untested ways of working. 5 months isnt long enough to test WFH as a permanent option. They know what to expect when everyone has to work from the office. Its manageable.

Again all depends on what you do, and I have no doubt there may not be as many opportunities, but that shouldn't prevent you from doing a search below the radar just to get a general idea of whats out there,you never know could be something great, or it could make you appreciate what you have even more.

Cyrus

unhappys10 wrote: »

I have come up with a new formula driven excel template which will shave days off the finance teams monthly work load.

one assumes you would have come up with the template regardless ?

unhappys10

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

If someone wants to WFH, its their responsibility to ensure they can do so comfortably, and if that includes having space for a fancy chair or not, is down to that person. if they feel lack of space for a big chair prevents them being able to avail of WFH, then they should go back to the office once that option becomes available.


I find the opposite, people dont mind. People want to get work done, and the occasional kid shouting or dog barking wont get in the way for professionals.

I can only speak for our experience, but i have a toddler running around and am no less productive. many on the team have kids and are no less productive. if anything, we all know each other a bit better now from seeing our various circumstances and its actually brought more empathy and flexibility to the team. If a company is getting pissy about a child interrupting 2 mins of an hour meeting every now and again, I probably wouldnt fit into the culture there. YMMV.


It will be a requirement as soon as creche's and schools are viable again and not before, at which point parents will hopefully be happy to have their kids back with their friends and under a structured learning programme.


In the organization i work, and all of my friends, without exception, WFH is now a long term viable option. Productivity has not suffered, some of their companies are even closing down city center offices saving on costs, all are comfortable with employees working from home, as long as theres some flexibility to be in the office on occasion where necessary.

People in my org have even moved out of Dublin and back nearer family based on the new view of WFH.

Perhaps my group of friends and the various organizations we work for are the exception though, and everyone else will be ordered back to their desks at the earliest option.

I sold my car the other day because wfh will be a long term thing. We have a family car and I used the other one to commute. It hadn't covered 100km since March, waste of money having it there so it's gone.
If and when the need arises again I'll buy something cheap instead of having a monthly finance cost to pay.

unhappys10

Cyrus wrote: »

one assumes you would have come up with the template regardless ?

Not necessarily, I had the time at home to think about what could make my life easier instead of being sat in an office with distractions and a 4 hour round trip commuting dealing with traffic and idiots on the road.

Cyrus

unhappys10 wrote: »

Not necessarily, I had the time at home to think about what could make my life easier instead of being sat in an office with distractions and a 4 hour round trip commuting dealing with traffic and idiots on the road.

4 hour round trip, jesus no wonder you are happy WFH

strandroad

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

Perhaps my group of friends and the various organizations we work for are the exception though, and everyone else will be ordered back to their desks at the earliest option.

It completely tallies with the trends in my company and my friends' employers too, all MN though.

maherhonda

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Fine for people who have enough space in their houses for office chairs - but many don't.

People making allowances for dogs / kids in the background is fine in pandemic circumstances, but won't last forever. Not being responsible for kids during work hours will soon enough be a requirement.

I'd love to know the type of company you work in. It sounds like absolute hell. Your views on work places are about twenty years outdated.

Dyr

Biker79 wrote: »

There arent as many options as you might think. Other companies wont neccessarily be offering something different.

If anythign we could see most companies hunkering down, reluctant to try untested ways of working. 5 months isnt long enough to test WFH as a permanent option.

How long would you say is long enough, 12 months? 18 months? 5 years?

5-6 months is as long a test as most companies would envisage for a change to an organisation

Biker79

Bambi wrote: »

How long would you say is long enough, 12 months? 18 months? 5 years?

5-6 months is as long a test as most companies would envisage for a change to an organisation

12 months. Policies surrounding ergonomics/ equipment are still not in place they will also need to see how hiring fits in to existing teams or how to create effective teams from scratch when they are all WFH.

My guess is that many companies will be reluctant until the legislation is sorted out and they are protected legally from potential health and safety/ data security issues.

5 months has been a good bit but its not there yet. The only thing that has been proven is the technology.

The Spider

Biker79 wrote: »

12 months. Policies surrounding ergonomics/ equipment are still not in place they will also need to see how hiring fits in to existing teams or how to create effective teams from scratch when they are all WFH.

My guess is that many companies will be reluctant until the legislation is sorted out and they are protected legally from potential health and safety/ data security issues.

5 months has been a good bit but its not there yet. The only thing that has been proven is the technology.

Doesn't matter what those companies want or think, fact is the talent will go to companies that provide the best lifestyle, companies that dont offer wfh will be in the minority, they will lose any talent they have, when they try and refill those positions the only people that will take them are people who can't work elsewhere

Mr Meanor

According to this article If your in high paid middle management it seems the company didn't miss you!
Companies now saying maybe they don't need them back, ever.

https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/this-billionaire-investor-says-white-collar-workers-jobs-are-in-jeopardy

Biker79

The Spider wrote: »

Doesn't matter what those companies want or think, fact is the talent will go to companies that provide the best lifestyle, companies that dont offer wfh will be in the minority, they will lose any talent they have, when they try and refill those positions the only people that will take them are people who can't work elsewhere

I dont think it will be as simple as that.

It may be the case if you are a Developer/ DevOPs / Cloud Service/ Security Engineer/ Helpdesk Analyst.

Otherwise, other roles that have a personal relationship component with an 'in person' value, will be needed back in the Office.

Looks like this is especially true when a business is facing recession.

Jim2007

Biker79 wrote: »

Otherwise, other roles that have a personal relationship component with an 'in person' value, will be needed back in the Office.

Except that there are very few people that want a personal relationship with you at this stage.... Most people would prefer to hear you at the end of the phone these days.

unhappys10

Jim2007 wrote: »

Except that there are very few people that want a personal relationship with you at this stage.... Most people would prefer to hear you at the end of the phone these days.

I'd be quite happy to never see my coworkers again, nothing against them but I'm enjoying working from home so if I had to choose between the two it'd be adios

fret_wimp2

Jim2007 wrote: »

Except that there are very few people that want a personal relationship with you at this stage.... Most people would prefer to hear you at the end of the phone these days.

Remote working does not negate personal relationship. It takes a bit more effort but is quite easy after a while. In our place things like putting on the camera during a meeting have become normal. It's not expected, but people do for the extra level of communication and to be personable.

There is also usually a little more conversation before or after meetings. People Don't get out much and this really gives people a social outlet and has brought the team closer. I am much more friendly with people in my org that I barely knew before this.

We make an effort by having a teams meeting open for people to drop in at lunch or Thursday afternoons and it's very successful, a bunch of people just shooting the breeze over teams. If 6 months ago someone told me it would be this way I'd have scoffed, said it couldn't work, but here we are.

Its a culture shift for sure and it takes effort & trust initially but very quickly it becomes normal and producticity is as good as if not better.

Again though, this is my situation, YMMV

Biker79

Jim2007 wrote: »

Except that there are very few people that want a personal relationship with you at this stage.... Most people would prefer to hear you at the end of the phone these days.

Higher value jobs revolve around strong personal relationships. Lower value roles dont need as many.

Its a bit brutal but I believe this is how WFH is being shaped. Ive seen evidence of it in my own company and among our clients in recent weeks.

I guess it depends on the business, but there will be general truths shared among all organisations.

stevek93

Obese Child wrote: »

Been working from home for years... On the dole

Shall I just send you my payslip?

Dyr

Mr Meanor wrote: »

According to this article If your in high paid middle management it seems the company didn't miss you!
Companies now saying maybe they don't need them back, ever.

https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/this-billionaire-investor-says-white-collar-workers-jobs-are-in-jeopardy

Did anyone ever think these "high value roles" were really necessary?

Cyrus

Bambi wrote: »

Did anyone ever think these "high value roles" were really necessary?

You don’t ?

Biker79

Biker79 wrote: »

Higher value jobs revolve around strong personal relationships. Lower value roles dont need as many.

Its a bit brutal but I believe this is how WFH is being shaped. Ive seen evidence of it in my own company and among our clients in recent weeks.

I guess it depends on the business, but there will be general truths shared among all organisations.

I disagree, in my experience it’s the highly skilled roles particularly in tech etc that are much more open to working from home even before the covid situation. You very rarely see low skilled roles working from home has they are generally hands on etc.

Look at the companies who are making work from home full time for the rest of the year and possibly for good for people who want it, it’s all the big multinational tech firms with some of the highest skilled works and best paid in the country.

There is a bit of an under current of anti-work from time from a few posters on the forum and I really don’t get it, WFH is almost all positives even if it’s not everyday it should be absolutely the norm for a few days a week or even most of the time of the role allows it.

Dyr

Jaziel Unkempt Photographer wrote: »

I disagree, in my experience it’s the highly skilled roles particularly in tech etc that are much more open to working from home even before the covid situation. You very rarely see low skilled roles working from home has they are generally hands on etc.

Look at the companies who are making work from town full time for the rest of the year and possibly for good for people who want it, it’s all the big multinational tech firms with some of the highest skilled works and best paid in the country.

There is a bit of an under current of anti-work from time from a few posters on the forum and I really don’t get it, WFH is almost all positives even if it’s not everyday it should be absolutely the norm for a few days a week or even most of the time of the role allows it.

Alll the senior "high value" people I've worked with are not in thier positions because of their relationship management skills. They're there because they have the qualifications and the track record.

It's a very old fashioned Albert Reynolds wheeler dealer view that sees things that way. Obviously if your a salesman you'll see personal relationships as a big deal but even that is changing pronto.

Cyrus

Jaziel Unkempt Photographer wrote: »

I disagree, in my experience it’s the highly skilled roles particularly in tech etc that are much more open to working from home even before the covid situation. You very rarely see low skilled roles working from home has they are generally hands on etc.

Look at the companies who are making work from town full time for the rest of the year and possibly for good for people who want it, it’s all the big multinational tech firms with some of the highest skilled works and best paid in the country.

There is a bit of an under current of anti-work from time from a few posters on the forum and I really don’t get it, WFH is almost all positives even if it’s not everyday it should be absolutely the norm for a few days a week or even most of the time of the role allows it.

A lot of the people in tech companies in Ireland are in sales or support services , the engineers etc are all on the west coast.

Sales jobs can be done from home but I’d disagree they are highly skilled.

LinkedIn are laying off a good few heads now as well