Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Seven Septs

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

France has employed a "traffic light" map to assess the progress of each département:

I think we've had enough of that with our weather warnings

Non solum non ambulabit

Boggles wrote: »

Active confirmed cases.

It's more than likely multiples of that. Probably x 6. Roughly going by death rate.

We should know more in the next 2 weeks from the data garnered from actually testing properly in the community.

Yes. We all know it's confirmed cases. Thanks.

I've edited my post in case it caused confusion. Don't want people mistakenly thinking they weren't confirmed.

bettyoleary

Gynoid wrote: »

No I don't. The first part where he said he would not comment directly on the case I was all on board. But then he was not overly clear. Separation mentioned. Hand movements. Generalities.
I think it is very possible to speak generally in response to a question that is too particular. Especially as the question relates to public fears re hospital attendance.

Example of definitive but general answer - No. A patient who tests negative will never be put on a Covid ward. Especially not if that patient has underlying conditions. IF that has happened or will happen anywhere in Ireland there should be a thorough and immediate investigation. Thank you. Next.

I agree there totally he bumbled and bumbled around the answer. I felt sorry for him because the woman questioning was aggressive but he still needs to be prepared for this a bit better. People are frightened of going to hospital which is understandable and justifiably so. They need to be firmly reassured that they are safe and should seek help if they are worried about any symptoms Covid related or not. He should have got this across clearly.

deise08

I would have loved him to correct her on calling him Mr. Tony.

Eod100

deise08 wrote: »

I would have loved him to correct her on calling him Mr. Tony.

It was definitely deliberate to patronise/get a reaction from him. Glad he didn't take a bait. Journalists call him Tony without issue, if you're going to say Mr Holohan why not say Dr? He did well under the circumstances. Will be interesting to see if the clip is uploaded by her online or was that only if she got a reaction from him.

DebDynamite

rovers_runner wrote: »

The BMI > 40 is a bull**** figure to mask the realities.
BMI > 30 is obese and that is a figure that would tell a lot.

Yep, and even at 40, it’s still very high - 40%

petes

bettyoleary wrote: »

I agree there totally he bumbled and bumbled around the answer. I felt sorry for him because the woman questioning was aggressive but he still needs to be prepared for this a bit better. People are frightened of going to hospital which is understandable and justifiably so. They need to be firmly reassured that they are safe and should seek help if they are worried about any symptoms Covid related or not. He should have got this across clearly.

There is no discussing anything when people are in an agitated state like that. Absolutely none. Doesn't matter how prepared you are. I actually thought he dealt it reasonably well given the circumstances.

Stheno

DebDynamite wrote: »

Yep, and even at 40, it’s still a very high - 40%

Eh no. There were53 ICU cases with a BMI over 40 out of 327

Would that not be 22 %?

Boggles

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Yes. We all know it's confirmed cases. Thanks.

I've edited my post in case it caused confusion. Don't want people mistakenly thinking they weren't confirmed.

Yeah, my point is the real number is not lovely.

wadacrack

Stheno wrote: »

Eh no. There were53 ICU cases with a BMI over 40 out of 327

Would that not be 22 %?

We need data on over 30. 40 is obviously a huge number and obviously their health is at risk for many conditions

Non solum non ambulabit

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, my point is the real number is not lovely.

It's a lower number than it was 3 weeks ago. Apologies for trying to look on the bright side after 8 weeks of only being as far as my garden.

Stheno

wadacrack wrote: »

We need data on over 30. 40 is obviously a huge number and obviously their health is at risk for many conditions

Look at the UK data - 75% of their ICU admissions are obese /very obese

crossman47

bettyoleary wrote: »

I agree there totally he bumbled and bumbled around the answer. I felt sorry for him because the woman questioning was aggressive but he still needs to be prepared for this a bit better. People are frightened of going to hospital which is understandable and justifiably so. They need to be firmly reassured that they are safe and should seek help if they are worried about any symptoms Covid related or not. He should have got this across clearly.

He did, time and time again.

bettyoleary

crossman47 wrote: »

He did, time and time again.

Do you think the general public felt reassured following that exchange?

crossman47

bettyoleary wrote: »

Do you think the general public felt reassured following that exchange?

Maybe not because some of them will be stupid enough to listen to the rantings of that woman. We will get the usual "no smoke without fire". Its like the TV debates where producers feel obliged to give balance by having a medical expert debate with an antivaxxer.

fritzelly

bettyoleary wrote: »

Do you think the general public felt reassured following that exchange?

Most of the general public are not watching it - she should stick to Twitter where she can rant to her hearts content and where she can get lots of likes from her like minded idiots

podgeandrodge

bettyoleary wrote: »

Do you think the general public felt reassured following that exchange?

Anyone half sane who watched that exchange would have:

1) marvelled at how calm he remained
2) marvelled at how unprofessional and border line loon she was

The Black Oil

You'd have to feel for the woman doing sign language listening to that crap.

Call me Al

bettyoleary wrote: »

Do you think the general public felt reassured following that exchange?

I think most will have been scratching their heads at a journalist being given a slot and then not allowing the person she asked the opportunity to actually answer her.

Whatever good she may have served asking the question she has done this grieving family a huge disservice by ranting and shouting as she did.

deisedevil

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Worldometer Active cases Ireland - 3,763. I must say after weeks of isolation that is a lovely positive number. As a people we've done well to reduce this disease to that low number. Let's keep it up.

Edit: these are confirmed cases.

Honestly not trying to have a go at you but it is really worrying that so many people haven't understood yet that the number of positive cases means very little. We've without a doubt had far more positive cases than the confirmed cases figure so there can't be any conclusions drawn from it, positive or negative.

deisedevil

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Worldometer Active cases Ireland - 3,763. I must say after weeks of isolation that is a lovely positive number. As a people we've done well to reduce this disease to that low number. Let's keep it up.

Edit: these are confirmed cases.

Honestly not trying to have a go at you but it is really worrying that so many people haven't understood yet that the number of positive cases means very little. We've without a doubt had far more positive cases than the confirmed cases figure so there can't be any conclusions drawn from it, positive or negative.

igCorcaigh

The Black Oil wrote: »

You'd have to feel for the woman doing sign language listening to that crap.

I'd like to know what she was really signing.

Arghus

All this banging on about the leaving cert reminds me of the early days of the crisis, when all the media was interested in knowing was whether they were going to cancel the St. Paddy's day parade - it seemed to be the number one concern, never mind the bigger picture. Even though it was only a matter of time - and everyone knew it - before they eventually cancelled it, the media still wasted up so much air time hand wringing about the "crisis" about the indecision to make a decision, when they should have possibly being doing a better job educating and informing people.

And then they just cancelled the parade etc,etc - just like that. As it was always obvious that they would.

Now, the media is banging on about the leaving cert. It seems pretty obvious to me that the exam won't be going ahead. Obviously plans are being made in real time behind the scenes to figure it - this unprecedented event out - but Matt Cooper is banging on The Tonight Show about how they STILL haven't made a decision. As if it was easy. Fck me, the media are stupid sometimes.

s1ippy

Call me Al wrote: »

I think most will have been scratching their heads at a journalist being given a slot and then not allowing the person she asked the opportunity to actually answer her.

Whatever good she may have served asking the question she has done this grieving family a huge disservice by ranting and shouting as she did.

I disagree, the coverage their story has gotten as a consequence of her outburst means that the HSE has to respond to the family in a satisfactory way.
https://twitter.com/realJosiahBurke/status/1257581181119455233?s=09
Clearly they want the situation in the public sphere because they don't want other families to be in a position where their loved one dies alone without a satisfactory explanation or any accountability from those responsible. If it were your own family member it had happened to, it would be tantamount to murder.

pjohnson

s1ippy wrote: »

I disagree, the coverage their story has gotten as a consequence of her outburst means that the HSE has to respond to the family in a satisfactory way.
https://twitter.com/realJosiahBurke/status/1257581181119455233?s=09
Clearly they want the situation in the public sphere because they don't want other families to be in a position where their loved one dies alone without a satisfactory explanation or any accountability from those responsible. If it were your own family member it had happened to, it would be tantamount to murder.

Do they fůck. They are career contrarions. They want to try and discredit HSE/Varadkar.

sterz

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I'd like to know what she was really signing.

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Arghus

s1ippy wrote: »

I disagree, the coverage their story has gotten as a consequence of her outburst means that the HSE has to respond to the family in a satisfactory way.
https://twitter.com/realJosiahBurke/status/1257581181119455233?s=09
Clearly they want the situation in the public sphere because they don't want other families to be in a position where their loved one dies alone without a satisfactory explanation or any accountability from those responsible. If it were your own family member it had happened to, it would be tantamount to murder.

Yeah, I don't believe any of that is their main motivation.

bettyoleary

Call me Al wrote: »

I think most will have been scratching their heads at a journalist being given a slot and then not allowing the person she asked the opportunity to actually answer her.

Whatever good she may have served asking the question she has done this grieving family a huge disservice by ranting and shouting as she did.

And terrifying people is not appropriate at this time.

owlbethere

Arghus wrote: »

All this banging on about the leaving cert reminds me of the early days of the crisis, when all the media was interested in knowing was whether they were going to cancel the St. Paddy's day parade - it seemed to be the number one concern, never mind the bigger picture. Even though it was only a matter of time - and everyone knew it - before they eventually cancelled it, the media still wasted up so much air time hand wringing about the "crisis" about the indecision to make a decision, when they should have possibly being doing a better job educating and informing people.

And then they just cancelled the parade etc,etc - just like that. As it was always obvious that they would.

Now, the media is banging on about the leaving cert. It seems pretty obvious to me that the exam won't be going ahead. Obviously plans are being made in real time behind the scenes to figure it - this unprecedented event out - but Matt Cooper is banging on The Tonight Show about how they STILL haven't made a decision. As if it was easy. Fck me, the media are stupid sometimes.

The best solution might be if the new baby infant class doesn't start school this year in September and they start next year. Everyone who's going to school goes back in, in September and continues with their year. Does that make sense?

Westernyelp

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Anyone half sane who watched that exchange would have:

1) marvelled at how calm he remained
2) marvelled at how unprofessional and border line loon she was

Her and her family are well established loons in Mayo. no borderline about it