Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Deeper Blue

fr336 wrote: »

Hi President Trump

Did you really expect a serious response to the rambling nonsense you posted?

Uriel.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The NHI asked for help repeatedly.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0526/1141575-nursing-homes/

And they seem to have got plenty.
But why were they not prepared? Again a billion euro of funding goes towards these private for profit businesses.

fr336

Good news: Austria, which started easing lockdown on April 14th, has reported case numbers for last few days: 34, 18, 36, 17, 50. Population 9 million.

Bad news: Austria made face coverings compulsory.

Doesn't take a genius to see how one can lead to the other.

More good news later.

fr336

NDWC wrote: »

Did you really expect a serious response to the rambling nonsense you posted?

Maybe it'll make up for all the times I've read your rambling nonsense.

Plumbthedepths

fr336 wrote: »

Good news, people! The UK now has the most excess deaths in the WORLD. On the plus side, it remains the 5th largest economy in the world. It's also a really lovely sunny day here. I'm feeling really positive about how things are going and look forward to getting the country back to work and prospering.

You think the deaths of 1000's is good news,?wow without doubt one of the most disturbing comments on this thread.

stephenjmcd

fr336 wrote: »

Good news: Austria, which started easing lockdown on April 14th, has reported case numbers for last few days: 34, 18, 36, 17, 50. Population 9 million.

Bad news: Austria made face coverings compulsory.

Doesn't take a genius to see how one can lead to the other.

More good news later.

What's your point?? They've been relatively low for the last month. We've been relatively low for the past week with no mandatory face coverings, Austria were hit before us, we've always said we're 2-3 weeks behind them in case numbers.

Not sure what exactly your trying to get at. Both countries reporting low numbers at the moment.

They're numbers are largely inline with Denmark who dont have mandatory face coverings either.

While face coverings could well be useful in enclosed spaces your point of it doesn't take a genius to see how one can lead to another can be countered with the likes of Denmark

An Ciarraioch

The NI dashboard is excellent in terms of the information provided, unfortunately however, 2 more deaths today:

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9

Plumbthedepths

Uriel. wrote: »

And they seem to have got plenty.
But why were they not prepared? Again a billion euro of funding goes towards these private for profit businesses.

Keep spinning, don't get to dizzy though.

fr336

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You think the deaths of 1000's is good news,?wow without doubt one of the most disturbing comments on this thread.

You are such a troll. Five minutes ago you were accusing me of being too negative, scaremongering. Now I post a sarcastic post showing how silly posters like you are with your "so much scaremongering going on" and you're posting this crap. Troll!

Micky 32

fr336 wrote: »

WHERE have I said all going to die? Even at its worst Corona wouldn't get a million of the population. How much is acceptable to you? 50,000? 100,000?

You didn’t but it’s the way your posts come across. We have lots to be positive about at the moment from where i’m standing.

fr336

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What's your point?? They've been relatively low for the last month. We've been relatively low for the past week with no mandatory face coverings, Austria were hit before us, we've always said we're 2-3 weeks behind them in case numbers.

Not sure what exactly your trying to get at. Both countries reporting low numbers at the moment.

They're numbers are largely inline with Denmark who dont have mandatory face coverings either.

While face coverings could well be useful in enclosed spaces your point of it doesn't take a genius to see how one can lead to another can be countered with the likes of Denmark

Ireland is still in lockdown. How can you compare a locked down country (Ireland) with Austria (released lockdown over a month ago)?

political analyst

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1265940667303448576

People are dying - or will die - needlessly because of the suspension of screening for those conditions.

fr336

Micky 32 wrote: »

You didn’t but it’s the way your posts come across. We have lots to be positive about at the moment from where i’m standing.

Maybe in Ireland. The UK is a disaster movie.

ACitizenErased

political analyst wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1265940667303448576

People are dying - or will die - needlessly because of the suspension of screening for those conditions.

I genuinely cannot find a valid reason for these not to continue. Only one I can fathom is the HSE thinks hospital transmission is happening, or possibly lack of PPE.

Deeper Blue

fr336 wrote: »

Maybe it'll make up for all the times I've read your rambling nonsense.

Yes indeed I've done plenty rambling in my 0.49 posts per day since 2008 ðŸ˜

Anyway here's hoping for another decline in cases today!

stephenjmcd

fr336 wrote: »

Ireland is still in lockdown. How can you compare a locked down country (Ireland) with Austria (released lockdown over a month ago)?

What are you on about ?? Austria started releasing lockdown a month ago, it unlocked hospitality only last week. They did / are doing it in a phased basis.

Ireland is in lockdown in name, walk around anywhere and it's quite clear people are back out and about and visiting friends and family. We just can't officially do it.

Your either just looking for an argument or wilfully ignoring the actually stats which I provided in the case of Denmark also.

Plumbthedepths

fr336 wrote: »

You are such a troll. Five minutes ago you were accusing me of being too negative, scaremongering. Now I post a sarcastic post showing how silly posters like you are with your "so much scaremongering going on" and you're posting this crap. Troll!

Actually I haven't accused you of negativity or scaremongering even in the last hour, so lies on your behalf but I have reported the 'troll ' allegation.

stephenjmcd

political analyst wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1265940667303448576

People are dying - or will die - needlessly because of the suspension of screening for those conditions.

Absolutely shameful. The death toll from disease that could have been caught early with screening will far outweigh the death toll from covid

Plumbthedepths

political analyst wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1265940667303448576

People are dying - or will die - needlessly because of the suspension of screening for those conditions.

But hopefully it won't be from Covid

Drumpot

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Absolutely shameful. The death toll from disease that could have been caught early with screening will far outweigh the death toll from covid

Now is the time to start bringing back these appointments in a manner whereby they will be able to maintain them if there is a second wave, there is nothing I can think of that should be holding this up. The biggest travesty would be not learning from mistakes made and failing to setup the infrastructure to manage this better in the future.

Micky 32

fr336 wrote: »

. The UK is a disaster movie.

That has improved significantly. At one stage they were having circa 800 deaths they are now down to half that.

stephenjmcd

Drumpot wrote: »

Now is the time to start bringing back these appointments in a manner whereby they will be able to maintain them if there is a second wave, there is nothing I can think of that should be holding this up. The biggest travesty would be not learning from mistakes made and failing to setup the infrastructure to manage this better in the future.

Fully agree, I fail to see how they could and haven't got a process in place by now for these appointments to restart and continue. Early detection is critical as most people know all too well from personal experiences and family experiences with cancer

stephenjmcd

And this is just for cancer in the UK, its unthinkable how many will die from the non screening for cancer at the moment.

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1265930062530072578?s=19

fr336

Micky 32 wrote: »

That has improved significantly. At one stage they were having circa 800 deaths they are now down to half that.

Because of lockdown. And because even a stupid government like the UK Tories aren't rushing out of it. Lockdown in May means a fully open economy and society in September, October, November, December. Not having to close down again and again when the politicians get (rightly) terrified by a steep increase in deaths. By the way it's down to more than half that on most days.

Tokyo

fr336 wrote: »

You are such a troll. Five minutes ago you were accusing me of being too negative, scaremongering. Now I post a sarcastic post showing how silly posters like you are with your "so much scaremongering going on" and you're posting this crap. Troll!

Mod: @fr336 - I didn't realise we'd made you a moderator of the forum?!

Seeing as we didn't, wind your neck in.

owlbethere

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I genuinely cannot find a valid reason for these not to continue. Only one I can fathom is the HSE thinks hospital transmission is happening, or possibly lack of PPE.

In preparation for a surge in the virus, the HSE had to take staff from other areas and redeploy them. We don't know the exact in and outs of the whole entire pandemic preparation and crisis within the HSE. We know that doctors and nurses were particularly susceptible to the virus and there's something also known as viral load that contributes to a dose. It's possible staffing might not be available in some parts of a hospital or HSE settings and services now. Either through sickness or death of even family problems and death in family and mourning etc.

fr336

Good news: UK daily death toll (official government figures not ONS figures) down to 213. Still 213 needless deaths, mind.

Bad news: UK outbreak still "relatively stable" and infecting 54,000 people per week. Even during a lockdown.

Positivity!

Cal4567

https://www.thejournal.ie/matt-damon-leaving-ireland-5109912-May2020/

A watershed moment when we come to write the history of Ireland, or has this lockdown become too much for me?

Gregor Samsa

Cal4567 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/matt-damon-leaving-ireland-5109912-May2020/

A watershed moment when we come to write the history of Ireland, or has this lockdown become too much for me?

He's The Departed.

Plumbthedepths

The dangers of making everything secondary to Covid.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/are-they-working-on-a-plan-cork-widower-wants-clarity-on-cancer-screening-services-1002215.html

podgeandrodge

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The dangers of making everything secondary to Covid.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/are-they-working-on-a-plan-cork-widower-wants-clarity-on-cancer-screening-services-1002215.html

Shocking. A fraction of the population affected by Covid, and necessary services grinding to a halt.

stephenjmcd

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-hse-figures-reveal-the-toll-on-care-homes-1.4264196?mode=amp

What Username Guidelines

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Shocking. A fraction of the population affected by Covid, and necessary services grinding to a halt.

Wonder how this works long term, all this PPE, private hospitals taken over, staff at the ready for a surge. The surge never came, but it might as we ease, might not. At what point do the private hospitals go back to private and public go back to their usual thing. Can't sit on standby forever.

Rob A. Bank

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Shocking. A fraction of the population affected by Covid, and necessary services grinding to a halt.

These doomsters and fear mongers are terrible with all their negativity and stories of gloom about the economy.

First it was 'Ahh shure it's only the flu', then it was 'let the coffin dodgers die while we get on with 'herd immunity' , then 'what about the children's education', now it's 'cancer screening' and 'don't try to clear the island of Covid'.

Why are they always so negative and why can't they just post happy clappy stuff ?

:rolleyes:

Strazdas

fr336 wrote: »

Good news: Austria, which started easing lockdown on April 14th, has reported case numbers for last few days: 34, 18, 36, 17, 50. Population 9 million.

Bad news: Austria made face coverings compulsory.

Doesn't take a genius to see how one can lead to the other.

More good news later.

No face masks in Denmark and they're only seeing 50 new cases a day. Might make a marginal difference but it seems social distancing itself is the key factor.

Plumbthedepths

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

'let the coffin dodgers die while we get on with 'herd immunity' ,

:rolleyes:

Has anyone ever actually said this ,or is it something you have made up?

GazzaL

The HSA advice for SMEs is ****ing bananas. 9 documents which includes 7 multi-page checklists.

fr336

Strazdas wrote: »

No face masks in Denmark and they're only seeing 50 new cases a day. Might make a marginal difference but it seems social distancing itself is the key factor.

Fair enough. Danes probably more sensible than the Americanised British isles though.

fr336

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Has anyone ever actually said this ,or is it something you have made up?

Those posters were all over this very thread.

Plumbthedepths

Whilst an inquiry will most likely happen, the outcome will be no one accountable the fault will lie with a systematic failure and lessons will be learned.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/pearse-doherty-public-inquiry-into-nursing-home-deaths-inevitable-1002217.html

stephenjmcd

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

These doomsters and fear mongers are terrible with all their negativity and stories of gloom about the economy.

First it was 'Ahh shure it's only the flu', then it was 'let the coffin dodgers die while we get on with 'herd immunity' , then 'what about the children's education', now it's 'cancer screening' and 'don't try to clear the island of Covid'.

Why are they always so negative and why can't they just post happy clappy stuff ?

:rolleyes:

So are you saying it's not a disgrace that cancer screening isn't taking place or that there's no plan in place to resume these services ?? Seeing as it saves lives and early detection is key.

It's hard to tell if your post is sarcastic or not.

Either way it is a disgrace that these services aren't running and theres no plan to run them

Plumbthedepths

fr336 wrote: »

Those posters were all over this very thread.

Thanks but my question was addressed to someone else's comment.

fr336

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Thanks but my question was addressed to someone else's comment.

True, sorry. You could maybe PM them in future though.

hmmm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Whilst an inquiry will most likely happen, the outcome will be no one accountable the fault will lie with a systematic failure and lessons will be learned.

It's amusing to see SF back in the headlines again after going missing for the duration of the crisis, doing what they do best - stabbing the wounded after the battle is over.

Plumbthedepths

hmmm wrote: »

It's amusing to see SF back in the headlines again after going missing for the duration of the crisis, doing what they do best - stabbing the wounded after the battle is over.

It's even more amusing that you would make the calling of an enquiry into the deaths of over 60% of Covid victims into a political point scoring exercise.
Personally I could care less what the political persuasion of the person calling for an inquiry is, it's without doubt necessary.
Do you yourself not think an enquiry is warranted?

ACitizenErased

3 new admissions (total 6 now) and 3 patients on ventilators in CUH, up from 0 two days ago. ICU numbers rising in Cork and falling everywhere else.

owlbethere

GazzaL wrote: »

The HSA advice for SMEs is ****ing bananas. 9 documents which includes 7 multi-page checklists.

At the end of the day businesses will have to be responsible for the health and safety of their staff while at work and for the health and safety of any customers.

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

3 new admissions (total 6 now) and 3 patients on ventilators in CUH, up from 0 two days ago. ICU numbers rising in Cork and falling everywhere else.

Any particular reason for that do you know ? I know someone had said previously that meat plants were an issue in parts of cork

ACitizenErased

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Any particular reason for that do you know ? I know someone had said previously that meat plants were an issue in parts of cork

No idea. I get the email from a family member that sends me the numbers every day and they've been rising for last few days. 6 inpatients with 3 ventilated. 0 new cases confirmed over last 24hrs and 0 released.

RandomViewer

political analyst wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1265940667303448576

People are dying - or will die - needlessly because of the suspension of screening for those conditions.

Diabetic services were struggling long before the virus,