Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

normanoffside

Duke of Url wrote: »

Based on confirmed cases per day, Thats still alot of people who are still dying every day RIP

They are older people who have been probably fighting it for a long time, or like yesterday historic deaths (7 of yesterdays 17 were from march).

Arghus

"You're a predicting man."

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MOR316 wrote: »

There were a lot of people going to Ski resorts in Italy too. I'm from a very small town and I couldn't believe how many from here went.

People gave out about people going to the pub for a pint in March...Not what they should have directed their anger at

And that's just people travelling to/from Italy. Let's not forget that Spain and France and Germany (and later the UK) weren't that far behind. As for the pints, two wrongs don't make one right.

ACitizenErased

Prof. Nolan seems pretty confident this is good

MOR316

Eod100 wrote: »

The match was cancelled though so I don't know how many made it over. Maybe it was thousands but not sure who was counting. I think total number who would be going before this would be 5 to 10k so be interesting to know how many of that figure actually did make it over. Just thousands roaming the streets makes them seem like some sort of zombie horde or something.

I was in the city that weekend. I came across a few but, not as many as if there was a match taking place.

Did they already live here? Were they over for the weekend? Who knows?

MonkieSocks

ACitizenErased wrote: »

76 new residential home cases in the last few days. Another explanation for the increases last few days.

Really odd since all residential homes have been closed to visitors since March 12th, people quarantined in their rooms and all testing supposed to have been done a few weeks ago

ACitizenErased

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Really odd since all residential homes have been closed to visitors since March 12th and all testing supposed to have been done a few weeks ago

The testing hasn't stopped afaik, this is an ongoing thing

Eod100

MOR316 wrote: »

I was in the city that weekend. I came across a few but, not as many as if there was a match taking place.

Did they already live here? Were they over for the weekend? Who knows?

Yeah I think that's the other side of it. People seriously underestimate how many people from other countries live here especially in Dublin. Unless they're wondering around in Italy gear (and even then) or there was a massive influx compared to usual, it's hard to know for definite how many did travel.

Arghus

Can other parts of the country open up quicker than others - like maybe specifically my local hairdressers, for example?

Plumbthedepths

Eod100 wrote: »

The match was cancelled though so I don't know how many made it over. Maybe it was thousands but not sure who was counting. I think total number who would be going before this would be 5 to 10k so be interesting to know how many of that figure actually did make it over. Just thousands roaming the streets makes them seem like some sort of zombie horde or something.

Whatever about my choice of words sorry if it gives a false image but many came as they had paid for their flight and accommodation. We also had thousands of Irish at both Cheltenham and a Liverpool both of which has been admitted in the UK as contributing to needless Covid deaths there. So it is within reason that if these two UK events were a factor in some UK Covid it's logical to assume some deaths here were also a result of these same sporting events.
It leads me back to your original comment about cases in Ireland and Japan. Japan closed their borders to high risk travellers, we had individuals travel to a high risk area and visitors from a high risk area.
Apologies for the long response.

normanoffside

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Prof. Nolan seems pretty confident this is good

Nolan is very positive and I have to say and unapologetically so which is great to see.

Dr Tony doing his normal negative routine now.
The best he gives is that if everything keeps up we can get through the stages as planned.
He is really draining my energy.

Refractions

MOR316 wrote: »

I was in the city that weekend. I came across a few but, not as many as if there was a match taking place.

Did they already live here? Were they over for the weekend? Who knows?

Were they dressed up in their colours for a non-existent match? How did you notice them?

Eod100

MOR316 wrote: »

There were a lot of people going to Ski resorts in Italy too. I'm from a very small town and I couldn't believe how many from here went.

People gave out about people going to the pub for a pint in March...Not what they should have directed their anger at

Hindsight is everything but not sure why gov didn't ask people to self-isolate earlier when coming back from high risk areas.

I remember at the start HSE were saying they would be in airport to monitor things for any direct flights from Wuhan to Ireland. I'm not even sure if there are any direct flights. Think there might have been 1 a day to London so maybe it's impossible to do much even if there were temperature checks which I don't think there ever were.

ACitizenErased

Figure of new cases is 46, but the total only adds 38. Not sure why there's so many tests being de-notified.

Speak Now

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Rugby supporters, let's not forget the thousands who went to Cheltenham and the Liverpool champions League match. Our borders never closed.

And Manchester derby as well.

MonkieSocks

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The testing hasn't stopped afaik, this is an ongoing thing

Yeah I get that,

Just wondering after spending 11 weeks quarantined in their rooms, how are they Getting infected.

It has to be transmitted by staff and any new cases breaking out in care homes should have an immediate inspection of their work practices and safety procedures.

Eod100

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Whatever about my choice of words sorry if it gives a false image but many came as they had paid for their flight and accommodation. We also had thousands of Irish at both Cheltenham and a Liverpool both of which has been admitted in the UK as contributing to needless Covid deaths there. So it is within reason that if these two UK events were a factor in some UK Covid it's logical to assume some deaths here were also a result of these same sporting events.
It leads me back to your original comment about cases in Ireland and Japan. Japan closed their borders to high risk travellers, we had individuals travel to a high risk area and visitors from a high risk area.
Apologies for the long response.

Yeah I understand and agree with your main point. I think people wearing masks year round in Japan too plays a part. Was there in October and loads were wearing them. Could also be similar to NZ, island nation that can control its borders compared to us being in EU, free movement of travel, travel from UK/NI etc.

Harry Palmr

Arghus wrote: »

Can other parts of the country open up quicker than others - like maybe specifically my local hairdressers, for example?

Nope or not yet anyway. Waterford will continue to be sullied by association with Dublin, Kildare etc

fritzelly

Can you tell us how loss of smell and taste presents?

Great question Journal.ie :rolleyes:

Arghus

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nope or not yet anyway. Waterford will continue to be sullied by association with Dublin, Kildare etc

Ah, I was just taking the piss out of Zara King there. She didn't ask today, but most days she asks about hairdressers.

fritzelly

Arghus wrote: »

Ah, I was just taking the piss out of Zara King there. She didn't ask today, but most days she asks about hairdressers.

She just asked the same question that's been asked 5 times previously and got the same answer

Eod100

normanoffside wrote: »

Nolan is very positive and I have to say and unapologetically so which is great to see.

Dr Tony doing his normal negative routine now.
The best he gives is that if everything keeps up we can get through the stages as planned.
He is really draining my energy.

I don't think it's negative more cautious. He has to warn against complacency and has to reinforce the measures need to be followed. Not sure how many of the general public watch these so if he can only convey this message to public via media it's fair enough I think.

MOR316

Refractions wrote: »

Were they dressed up in their colours for a non-existent match? How did you notice them?

I've been around Italians before when I was younger, pre and post football matches. It's easy when you know some of the language. Like when you can spot Spanish tourists, French, German by knowing parts of their language

Does that justify it enough, Lieutenant justify yourself to me?

Arghus

fritzelly wrote: »

She just asked the same question that's been asked 5 times previously and got the same answer

Is that her? I think she got her questions in early. There's another female journalist who sounds just like her.

fritzelly

Arghus wrote: »

Is that her? I think she got her questions in early. There's another female journalist who sounds just like her.

In previous briefings

Plumbthedepths

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah I understand and agree with your main point. I think people wearing masks year round in Japan too plays a part. Was there in October and loads were wearing them. Could also be similar to NZ, island nation that can control its borders compared to us being in EU, free movement of travel, travel from UK/NI etc.

Many European countries declared an emergency and closed their borders. Czech Republic is an example, closed their borders face masks mandatory on public transport and in shops since March 9th. Interestingly only a few weeks ago on Primetime there was two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun (hope I spelt it right ) and a University professor pretty much rubbished the idea of face masks whilst a Czech Professor on screen behind them extolled the virtues of how masks caused the infection rate to plummet in the Czech Republic. As an aside most of the Czech restrictions are lifted and citizens can go on holidays to select European countries ( Ireland not being one of them).

MerlinSouthDub

Duke of Url wrote: »

Based on confirmed cases per day, Thats still alot of people who are still dying every day RIP

According to Seamus Coffey's analysis, deaths on RIP.ie are now very close to normal levels (within a couple of deaths per day).

The official figures will take time to catch up with this due to the reporting delays. Also, because all nursing home residents have been tested there will be some deaths registered as Covid deaths who in reality would have died anyway.

So, basically ignore the daily death announcement data, it's not telling the true story.

MOR316

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nope or not yet anyway. Waterford will continue to be sullied by association with Dublin, Kildare etc

Varadker already said that it's a possibility.
But, like you say, if Dublin is a hot spot, opening surrounding counties might not be an option

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Arghus wrote: »

Can other parts of the country open up quicker than others - like maybe specifically my local hairdressers, for example?

Not aimed at you but I saw a great tweet a few weeks back. Truth. :pac:

political analyst

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Whilst an inquiry will most likely happen, the outcome will be no one accountable the fault will lie with a systematic failure and lessons will be learned.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/pearse-doherty-public-inquiry-into-nursing-home-deaths-inevitable-1002217.html

Our politicians will put the blame on Boris for our deaths for letting the Cheltenham races go ahead.

Eod100

Would be like Mad Max if pubs were open in one county.. :P

lbj666

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nope or not yet anyway. Waterford will continue to be sullied by association with Dublin, Kildare etc

Do you want M9 clogged with potentially diseased undergroomed Dubs looking to get their haircut.

Harry Palmr

Arghus wrote: »

Is that her? I think she got her questions in early. There's another female journalist who sounds just like her.

Look out for this woman



It's Zara King

normanoffside

Eod100 wrote: »

I don't think it's negative more cautious. He has to warn against complacency and has to reinforce the measures need to be followed. Not sure how many of the general public watch these so if he can only convey this message to public via media it's fair enough I think.

People have been saying this for months and it needs to stop.
The public have done their part and more, they have never got 'complacent'.
Tony thinks of the public as some sort of Plebs.

Nolan was saying the opposite, that it was very obvious the public were distancing themselves.

Strazdas

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Many European countries declared an emergency and closed their borders. Czech Republic is an example, closed their borders face masks mandatory on public transport and in shops since March 9th. Interestingly only a few weeks ago on Primetime there was two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun (hope I spelt it right ) and a University professor pretty much rubbished the idea of face masks whilst a Czech Professor on screen behind them extolled the virtues of how masks caused the infection rate to plummet in the Czech Republic. As an aside most of the Czech restrictions are lifted and citizens can go on holidays to select European countries ( Ireland not being one of them).

We don't actually know if wearing of masks is a factor or how much of a factor. Saying "the Czech Rep has a low number of cases and everyone wears a mask, therefore facemasks are obviously the reason their cases are low" may not actually be backed by evidence.

It's possible that it's bringing case numbers down but not by as much as people think.

is_that_so

Why is it that journalists automatically take the side of NHI? Not surprised they get robust pushback on it.

Arghus

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Many European countries declared an emergency and closed their borders. Czech Republic is an example, closed their borders face masks mandatory on public transport and in shops since March 9th. Interestingly only a few weeks ago on Primetime there was two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun (hope I spelt it right ) and a University professor pretty much rubbished the idea of face masks whilst a Czech Professor on screen behind them extolled the virtues of how masks caused the infection rate to plummet in the Czech Republic. As an aside most of the Czech restrictions are lifted and citizens can go on holidays to select European countries ( Ireland not being one of them).

I saw that episode of Prime Time. I wouldn't agree that they rubbished face masks, more that they stressed that face masks weren't as effective as the other measures like hand hygiene, social distancing and that face masks are counter productive if people wear and adjust them incorrectly. And a lot of people do use them incorrectly.

I don't think they disputed that facial coverings/masks are certainly helpful, but only in conjunction with existing measures and if used correctly.

Eod100

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Many European countries declared an emergency and closed their borders. Czech Republic is an example, closed their borders face masks mandatory on public transport and in shops since March 9th. Interestingly only a few weeks ago on Primetime there was two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun (hope I spelt it right ) and a University professor pretty much rubbished the idea of face masks whilst a Czech Professor on screen behind them extolled the virtues of how masks caused the infection rate to plummet in the Czech Republic. As an aside most of the Czech restrictions are lifted and citizens can go on holidays to select European countries ( Ireland not being one of them).

Yeah I think there are questions about why some measures were not introduced earlier than they were. I think face coverings and passenger information form being mandatory should have been brought in from the start but maybe it's not that simple. You'd think coverings would be most effective when more cases are in community say.

is_that_so

lbj666 wrote: »

Do you want M9 clogged with potentially diseased undergroomed Dubs looking to get their haircut.

Sure you get that every time the Dubs play away from home!

Notmything

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Yeah I get that,

Just wondering after spending 11 weeks quarantined in their rooms, how are they Getting infected.

It has to be transmitted by staff and any new cases breaking out in care homes should have an immediate inspection of their work practices and safety procedures.

I know of workers who are still doing shifts in more than one residential centre. Wonder if this could be the cause

ACitizenErased

is_that_so wrote: »

Why is it that journalists automatically take the side of NHI? Not surprised they get robust pushback on it.

Nursing Homes Ireland seem to be playing all innocent when it is quite clear that the majority of nursing homes that were affected were woefully under-prepared.

Benimar

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure you get that every time the Dubs play away from home!

So, once a year then? :pac:

Eod100

normanoffside wrote: »

People have been saying this for moth and it needs to stop.
The public have done their part and more, they have never got 'complacent'.
Tony thinks of the public as some sort of Plebs.

Nolan was saying the opposite, that it was very obvious the public were distancing themselves.

I never said they had, my point was he needs to reinforce that the measures still need to be followed to prevent any complacency however low that risk is.

I agree public have played their part and Holohan even said that compliance has been very high, the message is to keep it up really not anything negative or critical.

Refractions

MOR316 wrote: »

I've been around Italians before when I was younger, pre and post football matches. It's easy when you know some of the language. Like when you can spot Spanish tourists, French, German by knowing parts of their language

Does that justify it enough, Lieutenant justify yourself to me?

Haha, at ease Corporal. I was around town that weekend too but i wasn't eavesdropping on conversations so probably didnt pick up on them.

NegativeCreep

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Look out for this woman



It's Zara King

She wishes!

beggars_bush

normanoffside wrote: »

People have been saying this for moth and it needs to stop.
The public have done their part and more, they have never got 'complacent'.
Tony thinks of the public as some sort of Plebs.

Nolan was saying the opposite, that it was very obvious the public were distancing themselves.

A lot of social gatherings the last few days in parks and other outdoor recreation facilities near me
Of groups greater than 10

It is much better to err on the side of caution

political analyst

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0527/1142809-social-distancing/

Fianna Fáil's Jim O'Callaghan called for restrictions to be lifted "sooner rather than later".

He said he is concerned that too much responsibility is being "casually delegated by Government to public health advisers."

Mr O'Callaghan said the Government has been "extremely cautious" to date and while the restrictions made sense in March, the process of lifting them should be expedited.

He said that the purpose of the restrictions was to stop intensive care units being overrun but they are now being used as a means to stopping people getting sick.

Mr O'Callaghan said it was also important to recognise that it is the responsibility of public health advisers to give public health advice. "It is not their job to weigh that public health advice with other factors - that is the job of Government."

He said there is a dichotomy taking place between people who are financially secure and people who are financially insecure.

On Monday, Dr Holohan said that the two-metre guidance is not a hard and fast rule, but added that his team thought it was a "reasonable compromise" given where we are currently at with the coronavirus containment.

Does Varadkar not care about ordinary people's livelihoods? Why is he afraid of the idea of reducing the rule to one or one-and-a-half metres? He's only a caretaker Taoiseach - so what has he got to lose?! Doesn't he know that advice is just that - advice?! Let the restaurants and hotels reopen!

normanoffside

I don't know why the Politicians and Health experts cannot just come out and say the obvious- that the disease is dying out (for now) and we can say that lifting restrictions has no effect on the spread of the disease (not just us but in all the other countries that have opened up weeks ago).

So lets open up a bit more quickly while maintaining some caution.

It's a good news story that can be claimed by all as a victory, but they are still trying to pretend that the disease is still a huge risk and massively prevalent in the community and that our own little world must stop as a result.

normanoffside

beggars_bush wrote: »

A lot of social gatherings the last few days in parks and other outdoor recreation facilities near me
Of groups greater than 10

It is much better to err on the side of caution

It's been widely reported at this stage that there is almost no risk of catching the disease in outdoor settings, so really, who cares?

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Nursing Homes Ireland seem to be playing all innocent when it is quite clear that the majority of nursing homes that were affected were woefully under-prepared.

Oh yeah, somewhat holier than thou in all of this! A whole lot of issues to be examined.