Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Arghus

normanoffside wrote: »

It's been widely reported at this stage that there is almost no risk of catching the disease in outdoor settings, so really, who cares?

Widely reported?

Almost no risk? No, it's been suggested that there's less risk compared to indoor settings - that's not the same thing as "no risk." And there isn't conclusive data one way or the other.

Onesea

normanoffside wrote: »

I don't know why the Politicians and Health experts cannot just come out and say the obvious- that the disease is dying out (for now) and we can say that lifting restrictions has no effect on the spread of the disease (not just us but in all the other countries that have opened up weeks ago).

So lets open up a bit more quickly while maintaining some caution.

It's a good news story that can be claimed by all as a victory, but they are still trying to pretend that the disease is still a huge risk and massively prevalent in the community and that our own little world must stop as a result.

Its dragging out a bit now.

Two a330s flying out and back from Beijing daily. 9hr flight, burning 5.5tons per hour each. With reserves and extra fuel your looking at 200tons per day of jet fuel. Then the cost of product. And flight crew+aircraft.

Can't help but feel like we are getting the piss taken out of us.

Rob A. Bank

fritzelly wrote: »

Can you tell us how loss of smell and taste presents?

Great question Journal.ie :rolleyes:

The question should have been "Loss of smell and taste has been known about since March, how come you are only introducing it now as an actionable symptom ?"

"There is already good evidence from South Korea, China and Italy that significant numbers of patients with proven COVID-19 infection have developed anosmia/hyposmia. In Germany it is reported that more than 2 in 3 confirmed cases have anosmia. In South Korea, where testing has been more widespread, 30% of patients testing positive have had anosmia as their major presenting symptom in otherwise mild cases."

https://www.entuk.org/loss-sense-smell-marker-covid-19-infection-0

The above was published on the 21st of March yet our CMO is going to wait until June before introducing it as an actionable symptom.

The virus will not wait for this glacial process, which typifies the CMO's response to this pandemic... always too little too late.

Onesea

normanoffside wrote: »

It's been widely reported at this stage that there is almost no risk of catching the disease in outdoor settings, so really, who cares?

Many will be erring on the side of caution for many years to come.

Eod100

Onesea wrote: »

Its dragging out a bit now.

Two a330s flying out and back from Beijing daily. 9hr flight, burning 5.5tons per hour each. With reserves and extra fuel your looking at 200tons per day of jet fuel. Then the cost of product. And flight crew+aircraft.

Can't help but feel like we are getting the piss taken out of us.

I don't follow, what do you mean?

sheepsh4gger

I wonder who pays for this kind of journalism:


https://www.independent.ie/opinion/how-to-tell-if-youve-become-too-karen-for-your-own-good-39239741.html


>mainstream trying to cover 4chan memes
>they always get it wrong

is_that_so

Onesea wrote: »

Its dragging out a bit now.

Two a330s flying out and back from Beijing daily. 9hr flight, burning 5.5tons per hour each. With reserves and extra fuel your looking at 200tons per day of jet fuel. Then the cost of product. And flight crew+aircraft.

Can't help but feel like we are getting the piss taken out of us.

It's going to go on till June. €230m is a very sizeable order.

normanoffside

Arghus wrote: »

Widely reported?

Almost no risk? No, it's been suggested that there's less risk compared to indoor settings - that's not the same thing as "no risk." And there isn't conclusive data one way or the other.

Listen there have been as good as no cases outside of specific settings (meat factories, care homes, hospitals etc) for the past weeks.

So the lads meeting for a few cans in the park is a very low risk activity.

Have a read of this:https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/coronavirus-covid19-exposure-risk-catching-virus-germs

The only places with a moderate to high risk of catching the virus are:

a) indoors and in a cramped facility (poor airspace)
b) close proximity
c) poor airflow
d) staying in the same place for a long time.

There is very little chance of getting it outside unless in a very cramped place (e.g Concert).

martingriff

Arghus wrote: »

I saw that episode of Prime Time. I wouldn't agree that they rubbished face masks, more that they stressed that face masks weren't as effective as the other measures like hand hygiene, social distancing and that face masks are counter productive if people wear and adjust them incorrectly. And a lot of people do use them incorrectly.

I don't think they disputed that facial coverings/masks are certainly helpful, but only in conjunction with existing measures and if used correctly.

I was out in the Cresent today and Arthur Quay a few days ago in Limerick and the amount of people who have the mask down at there chin and then pull it up as they are entering a shop was shocking they might not as well have been wearing them

MOR316

Refractions wrote: »

Haha, at ease Corporal. I was around town that weekend too but i wasn't eavesdropping on conversations so probably didnt pick up on them.

I'm always on my own so I tend to overhear and observe. Not by choice just, habit

is_that_so

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The question should have been "Loss of smell and taste has been known about since March, how come you are only introducing it now as an actionable symptom ?"

"There is already good evidence from South Korea, China and Italy that significant numbers of patients with proven COVID-19 infection have developed anosmia/hyposmia. In Germany it is reported that more than 2 in 3 confirmed cases have anosmia. In South Korea, where testing has been more widespread, 30% of patients testing positive have had anosmia as their major presenting symptom in otherwise mild cases."

https://www.entuk.org/loss-sense-smell-marker-covid-19-infection-0

The above was published on the 21st of March yet our CMO is going to wait until June before introducing it as an actionable symptom.

The virus will not wait for this glacial process, which typifies the CMO's response to this pandemic... always too little too late.

He mentioned that GPs were aware of it as a symptom quite some time back, they just hadn't updated the symptoms.

sheepsh4gger

is_that_so

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

Very much an American thing that Karen nonsense!

fritzelly

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I wonder who pays for this kind of journalism:


https://www.independent.ie/opinion/how-to-tell-if-youve-become-too-karen-for-your-own-good-39239741.html


>mainstream trying to cover 4chan memes
>they always get it wrong

Obviously following boards for the pulse of the nation

Ten of Swords

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Figure of new cases is 46, but the total only adds 38. Not sure why there's so many tests being de-notified.

That's twice there has been an adjustment to the cumulative totals without explanation

*27/05: Cumulative cases on 26/05 revised to 24,730 from 24,735. Reduction of 5
*28/05: Cumulative cases on 27/05 revised to 24,795 from 24,803. Reduction of 8

stephenjmcd

Ladies and gents, the HSE

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1266064611385671686?s=19

Eod100

is_that_so wrote: »

Very much an American thing that Karen nonsense!

You'd be surprised! It's anyone really with a sense of entitlement, not just women either of course

martingriff

martingriff wrote: »

I was out in the Cresent today and Arthur Quay a few days ago in Limerick and the amount of people who have the mask down at there chin and then pull it up as they are entering a shop was shocking they might not as well have been wearing them

Why? The mask is, in the first instance, to protect others, not yourself. Just because it’s been on your chin it doesn’t mean it suddenly stops capturing droplets if you sneeze.

1641

Ten of Swords wrote: »

That's twice there has been an adjustment to the cumulative totals without explanation

*27/05: Cumulative cases on 26/05 revised to 24,730 from 24,735. Reduction of 5
*28/05: Cumulative cases on 27/05 revised to 24,795 from 24,803. Reduction of 8

That has come up in press conferences previously. Explanation has been that daily figures are "hot off the presses", as it were, but there may be some adjustments as they are subsequently checked - usually to do with duplications in original reports.

Plumbthedepths

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ladies and gents, the HSE

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1266064611385671686?s=19

So it's easy to blame NHI members for deaths in private facilities, who takes the blame for deaths in HSE and public facilities?

i57dwun4yb1pt8

Cal4567 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/matt-damon-leaving-ireland-5109912-May2020/

A watershed moment when we come to write the history of Ireland, or has this lockdown become too much for me?

He's F*ckin Matt Damon ...

New Home

Delilah Fast Cello wrote: »

He's F*ckin Matt Damon ...

I see what you did there.

eagle eye

Plumbthedepths wrote:

So it's easy to blame NHI members for deaths in private facilities, who takes the blame for deaths in HSE and public facilities?

You don't seem to understand how these things work. They'll have an enquiry that'll take years and move people to different departments, probably on promotion, and eventually lay the blame on the HSE which will probably have a new name by then and they'll say that it could never happen again because of all the changes that have been brought about. So basically blame the name of the health service that doesn't exist anymore while telling the gullible that they've sorted the problem.

jackboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? The mask is, in the first instance, to protect others, not yourself. Just because it’s been on your chin it doesn’t mean it suddenly stops capturing droplets if you sneeze.

I suspect that 99% of those wearing masks are not doing it to protect strangers in public.

Plumbthedepths

eagle eye wrote: »

You don't seem to understand how these things work. They'll have an enquiry that'll take years and move people to different departments, probably on promotion, and eventually lay the blame on the HSE which will probably have a new name by then and they'll say that it could never happen again because of all the changes that have been brought about. So basically blame the name of the health service that doesn't exist anymore while telling the gullible that they've sorted the problem.

Actually I do, several pages back I said an enquiry will make a finding of systematic failings and lessons will be learned but no one accountable. At the moment though there is a sustained attempt to lay the blame squarely at the private facilities.

sheepsh4gger

Eod100 wrote: »

You'd be surprised! It's anyone really with a sense of entitlement, not just women either of course

I've seen lots of Karens in Ireland. Very unique female-specific archetype.

eagle eye

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Actually I do, several pages back I said an enquiry will make a finding of systematic failings and lessons will be learned but no one accountable. At the moment though there is a sustained attempt to lay the blame squarely at the private facilities.

Yeah and it's easy to point fingers at small private facilities and I'm sure there telling them to keep quiet and they'll all get a grant to upgrade facilities. That's another way out they'll come up with but it won't work because there'll be a couple of facilities out there that are very professional and take pride in that and they'll blow the lid off it.

Uriel.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Keep spinning, don't get to dizzy though.

Spinning what?

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

You'd be surprised! It's anyone really with a sense of entitlement, not just women either of course

Sure, but we can all relate to someone with "entitlement issues" or a "busybody". Assigning some random name that offers no clarity makes no sense. The name also seems to apply to a whole multitude of completely unrelated sins. From the clips I've seen they all look like bit parts right out of Jersey Shore.

is_that_so

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I've seen lots of Karens in Ireland. Very unique female-specific archetype.

So is this fetish for labelling people with random names some type of lowbrow McWilliams name calling?

Uriel.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually I do, several pages back I said an enquiry will make a finding of systematic failings and lessons will be learned but no one accountable. At the moment though there is a sustained attempt to lay the blame squarely at the private facilities.

As far as I've seen for weeks now it's private facilities laying the blame at the State's door and accepting no responsibility whatsoever. The CEO of NHI said as much in the Dáil the other day.

But they'll continue to take their 1,200 euro a week and their service charges from residents. Shocking really.

is_that_so

Uriel. wrote: »

As far as I've seen for weeks now it's private facilities laying the blame at the State's door and accepting no responsibility whatsoever. The CEO of NHI said as much in the Dáil the other day.

But they'll continue to take their 1,200 euro a week and their service charges from residents. Shocking really.

HIQA are the ones who license them and supposedly look after that part of the sector. It's all one big mess but NHI have got their retaliation in early and often.

Plumbthedepths

Uriel. wrote: »

As far as I've seen for weeks now it's private facilities laying the blame at the State's door and accepting no responsibility whatsoever. The CEO of NHI said as much in the Dáil the other day.

But they'll continue to take their 1,200 euro a week and their service charges from residents. Shocking really.

This isn't a private facility.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0425/1134808-stmary-hospitals-deaths/

martingriff

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? The mask is, in the first instance, to protect others, not yourself. Just because it’s been on your chin it doesn’t mean it suddenly stops capturing droplets if you sneeze.

How can it stop the droplets if your mask is down by your chin also how can it stop your droplets at the same time.

Also everytime they put up and down the mask they are touching the mask and there face with there hands which could have touched god knows what in the time between touching it

martingriff

martingriff wrote: »

How can it stop the droplets if your mask is down by your chin also how can it stop your droplets at the same time.

Also everytime they put up and down the mask they are touching the mask and there face with there hands which could have touched god knows what in the time between touching it

You said masks are on people’s chins while they’re outside. And there is no need for a mask outside anyway. As long as they pull it up when they enter the store then that’s great

And as for touching the mask, that is the wearer’s issue, not yours. It will still stop droplets from being sneezing or coughed on you in an enclosed space. I really don’t see the problem in what you describe, and I know that I have done the same plenty of times

Uriel.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

This isn't a private facility.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0425/1134808-stmary-hospitals-deaths/

And?

normanoffside

Arghus wrote: »

Widely reported?

Almost no risk? No, it's been suggested that there's less risk compared to indoor settings - that's not the same thing as "no risk." And there isn't conclusive data one way or the other.

Prime time just now has expert virologists saying exactly what I said.

In fact one of the sources they quoted is one from a study in China I posted on this board over a months ago

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113263620&postcount=1209

[QUOTE=Just a reminder that there are zero cases of spread in an outdoor environment according to one big study
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....04.20053058v1

Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

The insistence on blaming people going outside is just a tactic to cover up government failure in controlling spread in places they should have been controlling.[/QUOTE]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

normanoffside

Arghus wrote: »

Widely reported?

Almost no risk? No, it's been suggested that there's less risk compared to indoor settings - that's not the same thing as "no risk." And there isn't conclusive data one way or the other.

Robert Dingwall, professor of Sociology in Nottingham University on Prime time just now saying that 'The risk of spread of Covid 19 in outdoors environment is close to Zero.

stephenjmcd

normanoffside wrote: »

Robert Dingwall, professor of Sociology in Nottingham University on Prime time just now saying that 'The risk of spread of Covid 19 in outdoors environment is close to Zero.

Was just watching that, he fairly dismissed what De Gascun had said just before him.

tom1ie

So 40% of cases today are still community transfer.
Did I hear that right?

mloc123

tom1ie wrote: »

So 40% of cases today are still community transfer.
Did I hear that right?

My understanding of the stats are... 40% of all, from the start are community. This used to be 60%?

Marty Bird

normanoffside wrote: »

Robert Dingwall, professor of Sociology in Nottingham University on Prime time just now saying that 'The risk of spread of Covid 19 in outdoors environment is close to Zero.

According to De Gascun it can stay in the air for a couple of hours if an infected person sheds doplets. What a load of shíte.

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

So 40% of cases today are still community transfer.
Did I hear that right?

That means that the test took place in a testing center, not community transmission.

normanoffside

Marty Bird wrote: »

According to De Gascun it can stay in the air for a couple of hours if an infected person sheds doplets. What a load of shíte.

In an an indoor environment with no airflow.
It's not applicable to an outdoor environment at all.

The whole policy of keeping people indoors is proving to have been a complete farce. But any person with a modicum of common sense could have told you that in the first place.
Thankfully the science is now backing up the common sense.

normanoffside

mloc123 wrote: »

My understanding of the stats are... 40% of all, from the start are community. This used to be 60%?

Yes, virtually all of the cases in the last 2 weeks are from Meat plants, Hospitals and care homes/asylum homes etc.

I wish one of our useless journalists would ask this question and push the point.

stephenjmcd

Marty Bird wrote: »

According to De Gascun it can stay in the air for a couple of hours if an infected person sheds doplets. What a load of shíte.

Dingwall quickly told him he was pretty wrong. He said De Gascun was inferring that air didn't move

stephenjmcd

Huge jump

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1266115964967489539?s=19

normanoffside

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dingwall quickly told him he was pretty wrong. He said De Gascun was inferring that air didn't move

Air doesn't move, LOL.

tom1ie

mloc123 wrote: »

My understanding of the stats are... 40% of all, from the start are community. This used to be 60%?

Did he not specifically say “from the figures today”
If so that’s not very encouraging.
I hope I misheard.

jackboy

Marty Bird wrote: »

According to De Gascun it can stay in the air for a couple of hours if an infected person sheds doplets. What a load of shíte.

He does talk some ****e. Keeps going on about how the risk of covid spreading outside is not zero. The risk of being hit by lightning is not zero.

Why is he pushing keeping the restrictions in outdoor activities? it’s obviously not for health reasons. What’s he getting out of it?