Report: Vitamin D Insufficiency is Prevalent in Severe COVID-19

ShineOn7

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Magnesium needed for absorption of vit d

I thought that was K2

blueskys

K2 not magnesium

JJayoo

Everyone should be taking vit D3 all year round

Hamsterchops

I'm off to Aldi first thing in the morning to load up with Vitamin D tabs. In theory my body will then have a fighting chance to combat the worst effects of Covid-19, should I be unlucky enough to contract it

Health warning, Vitamin D is fat soluble and as such you don't want to overdose on it (as it's not water soluble) hence it can build up in the body if you take too much.

Other vitamins like Vitamin C are water soluble, which means that any excess in the body gets peed out in your wee.

Bushmaster64

Magnesium is easy to get from diet. Some nuts and seeds and you're done.

Food is your best source of nutrition.

I've been taking Vit D3 in winter for about 10 years. I take a bit of zinc now and then on days when I know I didn't get enough

I used to weigh my food and use nutrition analysis to see what I was getting every day. Did that for about a year and now know just by looking at portions what I got for the day and if I need a supplement top up.

ShineOn7

A new update and interview from John

Haven't watched it yet but he's very rarely been wrong about any data since March

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQyhjQUjHjU

saabsaab

Been taking the cod liver oil since March. Old cure.

ShineOn7

Yeah, cheers Leo

10 months on

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1354893756265340942


Fcuking clown show of a "government"

Also:

15 micrograms = just 400 IUs?

Try multiplying that by at least 4

Away With The Fairies

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yeah, cheers Leo

10 months on

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1354893756265340942


Fcuking clown show of a "government"

We're almost finished with winter and they're coming out with this now?

What the actual fück?

Edit: And 15 micrograms is 600 iu? I'm not a doctor but I don't think that's enough.

Basically advise the absolute minimum.

Bunch of clowns.

cnocbui

Ireland has a borderline third world health system, so I'm not really surprised.

Widdensushi

cnocbui wrote: »

Ireland has a borderline third world health system, so I'm not really surprised.

With one of the highest expenditures

funnydoggy

Time to tell my other half and her parents about the fact the government is recommending vit D. Been saying it for years but to no avail.

All three are immunocompromised and two don't absorb nutrients very well. Their doctor tells them that their vit D levels are 'grand', when sporadically they might take a multivitamin.

cnocbui

Widdensushi wrote: »

With one of the highest expenditures

Ireland second-highest OECD health spending, poorest outcomes

http://www.finfacts.ie/Irish_finance_news/articleDetail.php?Ireland-second-highest-OECD-health-spending-poorest-outcomes-506

You can say that again. It's a perfect example of the Irish governments hidden policy of creating finacial frictions whenever and wherever possible, in, I presume, the belief that it generates economic activity. In other words, they deliberately build costs into everything they possibly can to make consumers part with every cent in order to prevent them saving. There is even a special tax, I am unaware even exists in any other country, to try and discourage people from saving - the aptly named DIRT tax.

This applies to health care. Generic pharmaceuticals are discouraged - aided and abbeted by the Pharmacies. Even pack sizes for pharmaceuticals are likely the smallest in the EU. I recently created a little rant thread about this, attracting no sympathy of course. I believe we have the poorest access to low cost generics in the EU, and this is no accident, it's policy and deliberate.

In other EU countries, it is possible for consumers to bypass GP's and and go directly to a specialist when they have the knowledge and need. Not here. You will likely rack up at least two GP visits costing €120 before getting to the really expensive part. Again, this is deliberate.

Weirdly, the medical profession seems to activly try to keep the numbers of doctors and specialists artificially constrained via limits on the education system which they control. They are hugely successful at this to the point large numbers of foreign trained specialists have to be imported to get around the supply strangle, while students who get 600 points out of a possible 625 in the leaving cert are barred from getting into medicine and end up as nurses or doing something else below their capabilities. That is one of 3 real-world examples I am personally aware of via my son. And that is just one secondary school example so it's just the barest tip of the iceberg.

Then there's the famous HSE management bloat. Irish public servants have the second highest average salries in the EU, only exceeded by Luxembourg, who are just off the charts. So lots of very highly paid unproductive wasters do wonders for costs.

Do you remember the first COVID lockdown? It was to flatten the curve and prevent the health service from being overwhelmed and allow them a breathing space to provide more critical care capacity. And a few months later, the number of beds hadn't changed. Not surprising and utterly typical.

Recently, Western Australia built a new state of the art childrens hospital, which had serious problems and cost overruuns, but it still looks like a boxing day fire sale bargain compared with the utter mess here. If this country manages to build one in less than 3 times the period it took to build one in WA, I'd class that as the miracle of the century.

ShineOn7

The latest from John

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6FKi8aAsA

frozen3

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The latest from John

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6FKi8aAsA

What's his conclusion?

cnocbui

frozen3 wrote: »

What's his conclusion?

24:48 - "It's just incredible".

seefin

funnydoggy wrote: »

Time to tell my other half and her parents about the fact the government is recommending vit D. Been saying it for years but to no avail.

All three are immunocompromised and two don't absorb nutrients very well. Their doctor tells them that their vit D levels are 'grand', when sporadically they might take a multivitamin.

Told my mother to get vitamin d supplements. Her pharmacist told her she was getting enough in her calcium supplement (400IU). Shes in her 70s so surely needs at least double that. She took his word over mine obviously. The sooner nphet make a recommendation the better

drunkmonkey

seefin wrote: »

Told my mother to get vitamin d supplements. Her pharmacist told her she was getting enough in her calcium supplement (400IU). Shes in her 70s so surely needs at least double that. She took his word over mine obviously. The sooner nphet make a recommendation the better

She should get a blood test to see how her levels are the pharmacist can't argue with that. Every Irish adult is recommended to take some vitamin D during the winter.

The HSE have recommended it from the start it's just that particular campaign didn't seem to get any share of the advertising budget.

Leo should be backing it a bit more..it's been called out enough times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6FEI4SdBME

timeToLive

If you need government to advise you on how to look after yourself..

cnocbui

It looks like aspirin may be almost/as effective in preventing death and complications from covid as vitamin

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201022195637.htm

Same goes for heparin administered by injection in hospitals.

is_that_so

cnocbui wrote: »

It looks like aspirin may be almost/as effective in preventing death and complications from covid as vitamin

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201022195637.htm

Same goes for heparin administered by injection in hospitals.

Yeah, aspirin is actually in the Recovery trial.


https://www.recoverytrial.net/

cnocbui

Back to how much should you take. I said I take 5,000 iu a day...

The fit Dr in the vid says he's been taking 5,000 iu for years and his blood levels are only in the middle of the range. Also talks about optimising assimilation.

pottokblue

First day I've had vitamin D for breakfast along with magnum ice cream and cup of tea.

pottokblue

Sunshine otherwise I take 1000i.u daily winter supplement

ShineOn7

pottokblue wrote: »

Sunshine otherwise I take 1000i.u daily winter supplement

Just a reminder:

The sun in Ireland doesn't give Vitamin D for 6 months of the year

Roughly from mid September to mid/late March

odyssey06

Vitamin D should form part of government's Covid policy, Oireachtas committee hears

https://www.thejournal.ie/vitamin-d-covid-5362634-Feb2021/

silverharp

on a risk reward it's a no brainer and its cheap. All in hospitals should be getting the medical grade stuff as a matter of course as well regardless of what someone is in for. If someone is in their last year of life it might turn out that the body cant use it but if it reduced risks for under ~80's, still a no brianer

cnocbui

odyssey06 wrote: »

Vitamin D should form part of government's Covid policy, Oireachtas committee hears

https://www.thejournal.ie/vitamin-d-covid-5362634-Feb2021/

Oh, these guys are fast on their feet. I am so glad they are well paid. Deserve every penny /s

I was posting on the very first COVID-19 thread as reports were coming in of that UK Dr picking it up at the conference in Singapore and giving it to a chalet full of people in France.

The things I got right:

Order the Vitamin D
Figured it was airborne
Worked out masks were likely effective.
Bought hand gel in Lidl two weeks before they ran out.
Suggested Jameson's should switch to making alcohol for hand gel...

Watching the Government and that ship of fools, the HSE, slowly grind their way through the months to finally reach the same conclusions was painful. I believe Jameson's worked it out for themselves.

ShineOn7

The latest from John

At 40 mins long I haven't watched it. But from reading his YouTube notes on this it looks like more positive findings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfZpLllgd5Q

Piollaire

I got a blood test done and I was on the low end of the normal range and I was taking 2000iu a day. I've since boosted it to 4000iu.