The 350 a week was a catastrophic and costly mistake

LuasSimon

splinter65 wrote: »

Aldi and Lidl can afford to pay that because they are international companies with limitless resources, Aldi and Lidl per shop wouldn’t have anything like the overheads Supermacs have, most Aldi and Lidl staff are full time permanent, most Supermacs staff are part time and temporary.

That’s a load of codswallop , supermacs for the scale of their operation are making far more per unit than Aldi or Lidl .
Some people here seem to love Pat Mcdonagh and Larry Goodman and the way they pay their staff the lowest possible wages they can get away with whilst they themselves have obscene amounts of wealth . We will end up with 20 or 30 billionaires in this country and the rest of us working for minimum wage .

LuasSimon

LuasSimon wrote: »

That’s a load of codswallop , supermacs for the scale of their operation are making far more per unit than Aldi or Lidl .
Some people here seem to love Pat Mcdonagh and Larry Goodman and the way they pay their staff the lowest possible wages they can get away with whilst they themselves have obscene amounts of wealth . We will end up with 20 or 30 billionaires in this country and the rest of us working for minimum wage .

And some people just like to moan, snipe and gripe about employers making money. Without them, there’d be no jobs, minimum wage or not.

RandomViewer

Deleted User wrote: »

And some people just like to moan, snipe and gripe about employers making money. Without them, there’d be no jobs, minimum wage or not.

It's not 1900 any more,the forelock tugging is embarrassing at this stage,
Schoolteacher gets loan to open takeaway at a time when no one else could, hardly Alan Sugar is it?

LuasSimon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And some people just like to moan, snipe and gripe about employers making money. Without them, there’d be no jobs, minimum wage or not.

Of course it’s great to see them making money but some of them are making hundred of millions and pay their staff as little as they can get away it .... what would be wrong with paying more than the minimum wage and still making loads ?? .... We will end up with all our children earning minimum wage pay check to pay check

LuasSimon

LuasSimon wrote: »

Of course it’s great to see them making money but some of them are making hundred of millions and pay their staff as little as they can get away it .... what would be wrong with paying more than the minimum wage and still making loads ?? .... We will end up with all our children earning minimum wage pay check to pay check

The minimum wage is an agreed amount. If one wants more, one educates oneself or works ones way up. Can’t blame employers for employees accepting a low wage. Not everyone wants a high salary with associated responsibilities. For many with little overheads, like mortgage, a minimum wage job might just suit.

RandomViewer

Deleted User wrote: »

The minimum wage is an agreed amount. If one wants more, one educates oneself or works ones way up. Can’t blame employers for employees accepting a low wage. Not everyone wants a high salary with associated responsibilities. For many with little overheads, like mortgage, a minimum wage job might just suit.

Lots of highly qualified people on minimum wage, more you have qualified in any occupation the less it's worth,
Think you are ignoring the fact that this company is paying less than minimum with unjust chargres

RandomViewer

RandomViewer wrote: »

Lots of highly qualified people on minimum wage, more you have qualified in any occupation the less it's worth,
Think you are ignoring the fact that this company is paying less than minimum with unjust chargres

If you have actual proof that they're paying below the minimum wage then I'm sure that you will pass it on to the relevant authorities.

Wii776

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The minimum wage is an agreed amount. If one wants more, one educates oneself or works ones way up. Can’t blame employers for employees accepting a low wage. Not everyone wants a high salary with associated responsibilities. For many with little overheads, like mortgage, a minimum wage job might just suit.

So it's not the employers fault that the employee didnt ask for more? Did you honestly believe this?

LuasSimon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The minimum wage is an agreed amount. If one wants more, one educates oneself or works ones way up. Can’t blame employers for employees accepting a low wage. Not everyone wants a high salary with associated responsibilities. For many with little overheads, like mortgage, a minimum wage job might just suit.

Little overheads like mortgage ??
People on minimum wage can hardly feed or cloth themselves or their family’s not to mind a mortgage , they are the working poor .
A growing pool of people in Ireland sadly whilst the oligarch rich get richer and richer as their staff worry about what they can feed their family when they get home from their minimum wage job .

LuasSimon

People actually wonder why Sinn Fein got such a large vote in February election . A lot of it is to do with young people all on sh&t money working with no future whilst they look at the rich getting richer and richer .

Many of those oligarch rich people like Larry Goodman , Denis o brien , JP are been looked after by Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil as the working poor live from pay check to pay check with no hope of having their own home . The main two parties are becoming the parties of the rich which is a contracting group of people .

LuasSimon

LuasSimon wrote: »

Little overheads like mortgage ??
People on minimum wage can hardly feed or cloth themselves or their family’s not to mind a mortgage , they are the working poor .
A growing pool of people in Ireland sadly whilst the oligarch rich get richer and richer as their staff worry about what they can feed their family when they get home from their minimum wage job .

Why stay in a job if you can't lie e on the wage? Wages are at a level that is acceptable. If people want more, then it's up to themselves to upskill and move on.

BTW little meant none, as in the mortgage is paid off. For someone reaching retirement, a minimum wage might just be OK.

LuasSimon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why stay in a job if you can't lie e on the wage? Wages are at a level that is acceptable. If people want more, then it's up to themselves to upskill and move on.

BTW little meant none, as in the mortgage is paid off. For someone reaching retirement, a minimum wage might just be OK.

This country is becoming a country of the haves and the have nots . Clearly your are a have or else your related to Larry Goodman .

The amount of people in this country living hand to mouth in this country is growing year on year as the rich get richer and richer . The amount of jobs that are classified as minimum wage is growing and growing . Sadly for you and Larry and Pat mcDonagh the peasants are starting to revolt against the oligarch rich .

LuasSimon

LuasSimon wrote: »

This country is becoming a country of the haves and the have nots . Clearly your are a have or else your related to Larry Goodman .

The amount of people in this country living hand to mouth in this country is growing year on year as the rich get richer and richer . The amount of jobs that are classified as minimum wage is growing and growing . Sadly for you and Larry and Pat mcDonagh the peasants are starting to revolt against the oligarch rich .

Whatever I have, I worked hard for. My job pays just above minimum wage, as have all my jobs down the years. Once you live within your means, anything is possible.

I’m lucky that the only house I could afford is in the countryside, so I’ve great scope for my 5k walk, which I’m about to head off on before it gets too hot.

rom

LuasSimon wrote: »

People actually wonder why Sinn Fein got such a large vote in February election . A lot of it is to do with young people all on sh&t money working with no future whilst they look at the rich getting richer and richer .

I work with a guy that was doing a min wage for about 10 years. Barman and door security. So in his late 20's he actually signed on so he could retrain.

He did a load of free courses and certifications that you qualify on http://www.ecollege.ie/ if you are on the dole. As a result he got his foot in the door somewhere else. Built up some experience and moved to a better job etc in time and eventually here where he has a good job now. He just bought a new house within 10M of Cork and is moving in June.

He is wage no different from the vast majority of people on mim wage only that he put in the time an effort to fix that, had a goal and made sure nothing got in his way.

If I was interviewing a guy and they told me this backstory that I was working as a bouncer for 10 years on min wage. I was in a rut. Signed on did a,b,c,d training to better myself. I would be like this guy has the right attitude 100% and would look to hire them if I could. The other side of them is a person who does a degree and thinks that now they have skills for life and never upskill in any way and when asked make an excuse about not having enough time.

RandomViewer

Deleted User wrote: »

If you have actual proof that they're paying below the minimum wage then I'm sure that you will pass it on to the relevant authorities.

Funny handshake brigade on damage limitation, gobshyte did the damage himself, cue Coveney or Bruton enter stage right to praise McDonagh

GocRh

Only 900k people are in employment and do not depend on State support. To put it into perspective, 4.9M people live in the Republic.
That's a rather worrying number.

'Speaking on RTÉ’s Week in Politics programme, Mr O’Donovan said that out of a labour force of around 2.5 million people, some 1.6 million are either public servants already or receiving some form of payment from the State.

“It is not sustainable going forward that we have 1.6 million people drawing an income support at some level from the State and 900,000 not drawing a support.'

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/changes-to-covid-19-payments-to-be-considered-next-week-minister-says-1.4266961

Boggles

GocRh wrote: »

Mr O’Donovan said that out of a labour force of around 2.5 million people, some 1.6 million are either public servants already or receiving some form of payment from the State.

Of which Mr O'Donovan is one of them.

Has he tabled a motion to cut his salary from the 135k odd he gets including allowances?

Has he fúck. Typical lack of self awareness.

Stating the bloody obvious and looking shocked is not the leadership we need at the minute. When large swathes of the population are been restricted from working by the government, they need to be slightly more nuanced in their approach. It's a unique situation, that needs far more solutions than dribbling sound bites from a lame duck Minister.

Because the facts of the matter are, there will be no adverse effects to Mr O'Donovan's lifestyle.

joseywhales

There is some kind of socialist madness in this thread. Employers have no obligation to overpay employees, it is a market, supply and demand, they will keep there costs to a minimum as is their actual obligation to their shareholders. I am an employee and I accept that. It's your job to force your employer into a position where they must pay you more or else lose out on more revenue due to your absense.

Smegging hell

joseywhales wrote: »

It's your job to force your employer into a position where they must pay you more or else lose out on more revenue due to your absense.

I think that's called going on strike.

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joseywhales wrote: »

There is some kind of socialist madness in this thread. Employers have no obligation to overpay employees, it is a market, supply and demand, they will keep there costs to a minimum as is their actual obligation to their shareholders. I am an employee and I accept that. It's your job to force your employer into a position where they must pay you more or else lose out on more revenue due to your absense.

Only if your employer is a corporation

joseywhales

Smegging hell wrote: »

I think that's called going on strike.

No it's not, it's called finding another job and getting the two companies to compete over you. Why would they continue to employ someone who strikes? They would endeavour to break that culture

Smegging hell

joseywhales wrote: »

No it's not, it's called finding another job and getting the two companies to compete over you. Why would they continue to employ someone who strikes? They would endeavour to break that culture

My boyfriend, a union shop steward in the catering sector, helped to negotiate a pay increase and other concessions for his colleagues. Still waiting for his private sector employers to break the unionised culture in his workplace.

completedit

The printing presses are being wheeled out. Low inflation rates. No need to employ outdated measures in a new reality. Austerity is dead. The ramifications of it are too stark. Maybe not in Ireland, but Eurozone collapse is too probable. The ammunition needs to be brought out and BIG time. That's our safety net.

joseywhales

The problem is that again the middle income workers will carry the cost, as usual. They will support the tax base in the aftermath of this when taxes increase to pay the new debt and they will be further penalised by inflation but their wages will not increase. The system disadvantages those in the middle, not the extreme ends. We will create a culture where competing for better salary does not pay and thus we will have less efficiency, less entrepreneurship and a poorer overall economy.

s1ippy

rom wrote: »

I work with a guy that was doing a min wage for about 10 years. Barman and door security. So in his late 20's he actually signed on so he could retrain.

He did a load of free courses and certifications that you qualify on http://www.ecollege.ie/ if you are on the dole. As a result he got his foot in the door somewhere else. Built up some experience and moved to a better job etc in time and eventually here where he has a good job now. He just bought a new house within 10M of Cork and is moving in June.

He is wage no different from the vast majority of people on mim wage only that he put in the time an effort to fix that, had a goal and made sure nothing got in his way.

If I was interviewing a guy and they told me this backstory that I was working as a bouncer for 10 years on min wage. I was in a rut. Signed on did a,b,c,d training to better myself. I would be like this guy has the right attitude 100% and would look to hire them if I could. The other side of them is a person who does a degree and thinks that now they have skills for life and never upskill in any way and when asked make an excuse about not having enough time.

But you just said he went on the dole so he had a chance to upskill. So when do people who are working full time get the chance to train? Or should they just completely fund their retraining themselves and work at the same time.

My most recent CPD course is ongoing and I work full time in one job and part time in two others, looking to do a masters this year but had to defer because my work won't be as stable due to the pandemic so I can't afford to work less currently especially while funding the masters.

Just wondering about your double standard in relation to someone who goes on the dole to retrain versus somebody who is working three jobs and doesn't have time.

Just to add, I'm unwilling to take a 600% pay cut for two to three years and do "free courses" in the dole that aren't worth the paper they're printed on, because my qualifications and experience mean that these would be worthless lip service to employers. I would devalue my time by actually wasting it doing them.

Don't become a career advisor.

ELM327

Smegging hell wrote: »

I think that's called going on strike.

No, it's called playing the market.
It;'s why smart people in the workforce have a promotion or job change every 18-24 months. Keeps the salary and perks in check with the market.

is_that_so

Good news for those back working and for the those here most put out by the idea of a PUP.

The number of people claiming the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment has fallen to 543,200 - a drop of 36,200 in the last week, according to the latest figures from the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection.

Tea drinker

is_that_so wrote: »

Good news for those back working and for the those here most put out by the idea of a PUP.

Great to see it, I guess that accounts for at least some of the hordes of construction workers I see near where I live. We need to accelerate getting people back to work and off this PUP, long term unaffordable. the pandemic is a bit of a disaster, the covid payment isn't a disaster (yet)

GocRh wrote: »

Only 900k people are in employment and do not depend on State support. To put it into perspective, 4.9M people live in the Republic.
That's a rather worrying number.

'Speaking on RTÉ’s Week in Politics programme, Mr O’Donovan said that out of a labour force of around 2.5 million people, some 1.6 million are either public servants already or receiving some form of payment from the State.

“It is not sustainable going forward that we have 1.6 million people drawing an income support at some level from the State and 900,000 not drawing a support.'

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/changes-to-covid-19-payments-to-be-considered-next-week-minister-says-1.4266961

Fairly shocking stuff. Maybe we should increase the tax on the multi nationals to get that 900k down?

" we need people to have money in their pockets to be able to spend to keep those businesses alive,” he said.
Bingo! now reduce my tax and get rid of the USC and I'll spend loads, problem solved.

ELM327

is_that_so wrote: »

Good news for those back working and for the those here most put out by the idea of a PUP.

Unfortunately thats not even a 10% drop

is_that_so

ELM327 wrote: »

Unfortunately that's not even a 10% drop

I do love how good news turns into misery in 10 minutes! Baby steps!