Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon

Blaze420 wrote: »

You know oddly enough I couldn’t care less if the pubs stay closed, I can replicate the same atmosphere at home with much cheaper booze and having friends around once the lockdown is over. The pubs are ****ed because most people will hopefully realise that a 4 pack of beer is the same price as a pint in most places, and there’s no risk of catching corona in your own house. They should adjust to the new reality because the world they operated in before is gone now and won’t be back for a very long time.

Mmmmm. I think home setting can get a bit boring after few months though. But i do agree with u its bizarre 4 cans cost as much as 1 pint. although pint of guinness is much better from a tap than a can

growleaves

Hurrache,

A cause-and-effect assumption is the average Joe's idea of what science is. Really that is only the beginnings of a scientific investigation. Its the starting block, not the finishing line.

RebelRising18

What are the restrictions for meeting up with friends in an outdoor setting from phase 2 onwards?

iamwhoiam

growleaves wrote: »

I tried to go to Argos today but the maitre'd said I needed a reservation.

Is it click and collect only now ??

Hurrache

growleaves wrote: »

Hurrache,

A cause-and-effect assumption is the average Joe's idea of what science is. Really that is only the beginnings of a scientific investigation. Its the starting block, not the finishing line.

It is. Nobody, not even specialists in the area, can say that the lock down was too long/short, it's was too early/late to go back to school etc etc. All they can say, for the most part, is that we don't know until we actually see the results.

stephenjmcd

Blaze420 wrote: »

You know oddly enough I couldn’t care less if the pubs stay closed, I can replicate the same atmosphere at home with much cheaper booze and having friends around once the lockdown is over. The pubs are ****ed because most people will hopefully realise that a 4 pack of beer is the same price as a pint in most places, and there’s no risk of catching corona in your own house. They should adjust to the new reality because the world they operated in before is gone now and won’t be back for a very long time.

Sure everyones known the price from an off licence compared to a pub for years and still make make choice to go once a week or once every 2 weeks or whatever it might be.
Yes the way they operated before will be changed for a while once they reopen but they'll eventually adapt.

As for not catching corona in your own house well yes it is possible if one of those friends you have over is asymptomatic.

lainey_d_123

Deleted User wrote: »

I equally find it hard to believe anecdotal evidence like this. Your experience is so disproportionate to the empirical data as to be almost unbelievable. I know no-one who has been sick with anything more serious than fatigue or a slight cough that soon passed (and might have been nothing), and neither does anyone in my London based family. And I have not heard of any friends of friends being ill (BTW, I lived in London most of my life and know a lot of people there)

So our divergent experiences are influencing a completely different behaviour. Not only will I be getting back to work asap, I plan to travel in July and swallow whatever quarantine I have on the way back

Why would I lie? If you choose not to believe me, that's on you. What exactly is the 'empirical data'? Did those people you know get tested? If not, maybe they didn't have covid, and they just had a bit of a cold. All the people I'm talking about tested positive. I also know lots of people who didn't get ill - so what? I'm not talking about the current chance of being infected, I'm saying that a significant proportion of the people I know who have *definitely* had covid have had it pretty bad.

My doctor here confirmed that 'mild cases' often are like those I've described - weeks of quite severe illness, pain and fatigue. And we don't know what kind of chronic implications there could be - some illnesses can result in things like chronic fatigue syndrome, with people having symptoms and poor health for the rest of their lives. There has been evidence of long term lung damage from recovered patients.

I certainly wouldn't be confident to stroll around thinking it's just like the flu.

lainey_d_123

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Why would I lie? If you choose not to believe me, that's on you. What exactly is the 'empirical data'? Did those people you know get tested? If not, maybe they didn't have covid, and they just had a bit of a cold. All the people I'm talking about tested positive. I also know lots of people who didn't get ill - so what? I'm not talking about the current chance of being infected, I'm saying that a significant proportion of the people I know who have *definitely* had covid have had it pretty bad.

My doctor here confirmed that 'mild cases' often are like those I've described - weeks of quite severe illness, pain and fatigue. And we don't know what kind of chronic implications there could be - some illnesses can result in things like chronic fatigue syndrome, with people having symptoms and poor health for the rest of their lives. There has been evidence of long term lung damage from recovered patients.

I certainly wouldn't be confident to stroll around thinking it's just like the flu.

I'll take my chances

paw patrol

must be some heart broken lockdown cheerleaders today.

Blueshoe

When will the private hospitals be back in business again?
Public system doesn't need them anymore.

lainey_d_123

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll take my chances

That's on you, but you really seem to have your head in the sand regarding the chances of getting a bad case of it.

growleaves

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Is it click and collect only now ??

Seems to be. There was no queue where I was but they turned me away.

Ginger n Lemon

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

That's on you, but you really seem to have your head in the sand regarding the chances of getting a bad case of it.

Empirical evidence would suggest 80% of covid cases have no symptoms (people dont even know they have it or had it) or mild symptoms.

80%.

As is currently, in terms of mortality anyways, car crashes deaths will still be higher this year than covid deaths. Fintan would appreciate this sentence.

lainey_d_123

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

That's on you, but you really seem to have your head in the sand regarding the chances of getting a bad case of it.

And I think you are over-egging it. We'll never meet in the middle on this one

Ginger n Lemon

Huge news, probably very good in short term (1-5 years) anyways

"France, Germany propose €500B EU recovery fund
European Commission would borrow cash on financial markets, then distribute money as grants.

By LILI BAYER, HANS VON DER BURCHARD AND BJARKE SMITH-MEYER 5/18/20, 6:14 PM CET Updated 5/18/20, 6:20 PM CET
France and Germany on Monday called for a €500 billion recovery fund that would give cash to EU countries impacted by the economic fallout of the coronavirus crisis.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron presented a joint position for the fund, aimed at helping to kick-start all EU economies and avoid distortions in the bloc's single market"

Only question is - how much of this will we get?

lainey_d_123

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Empirical evidence would suggest 80% of covid cases have no symptoms (people dont even know they have it or had it) or mild symptoms.

80%.

As is currently, in terms of mortality anyways, car crashes deaths will still be higher this year than covid deaths. Fintan would appreciate this sentence.

The people I know are all classed as 'mild' cases, with the exception of the one who ended up in intensive care, and even he was only 'moderate'. A 'mild' case just basically means that you don't require ventilation or other inpatient treatments. It can still mean weeks or months of being extremely ill. People hear 'mild' and think it's just like a bit of a cold. It often isn't.

Sure, some people seem to get lucky and have few to no symptoms, but that 80% is a spectrum, that's my point.

snowcat

Hurrache wrote: »

Followed a few hours later by another example, similar but slightly different.






This was posted in another thread
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/europe/2020/05/18/70-cases-of-covid-19-at-french-schools-days-after-re-opening.html

70 out of 150000 sounds like a great result.

boring accountant

Colibri wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NicksCoffeeCo/status/1262311230070538241?s=20

I love to see landlords eff up like this because you can always get an order for costs out of someone with property in their name!

Ginger n Lemon

snowcat wrote: »

70 out of 150000 sounds like a great result.

Yeah, i think eventually you gotta weigh up risks of lack of education and societal development versus other risks.

Children grow very quickly, if they dont develop properly even for 3 months, god knows what long term issues this could uncover. (our children will suffer for good part of 6 months :S)

retro:electro

We have the lowest number of reported deaths today since the end of March, and Tony is still whinging and finger wagging about that survey which shows 46% of Irish people feel the worst is over. He finds this “concerning”. Are we not even allowed a bit of optimism now? Jaysus is there anything we’re allowed at all? He’s never happy unless he’s miserable as my mother used to say

Arghus

More low figures today, great to see. Further proof that restrictions are necessary and are doing what they are supposed to do.

lainey_d_123

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Here's the thing.



I live in London, one of the worst hit cities in Europe. I personally know 7 different people who had very serious complications from Covid, and not one of them is elderly, or in particularly bad health. They're all under 40 (one if them is just 26), and three of them have been in hospital at least once with it, one of them in intensive care. They've been sick for over 6 weeks now. Every time they think they're getting better, it hits them again. All have reported very, very bad breathing difficulties and lung pains.

So I find it hard to believe that Covid is just like a bit of a cold for most people. I think even 'mild' cases can often include symptoms like these people have had, for weeks or even months on end. Who wants to risk getting that?!

My sister is a frontline NHS nurse in London and my daughter who is 27 lives in London too. Neither of them have had Covid or personally know anyone else who has. My daughter works in Microsoft and previously worked in British Airways yet not one of her past or present colleagues or friends has Covid. Likewise with my sister who has lived in UK for 25 years.

I'm not disputing how rampant Covid was in the UK and how much bigger the spread was due to the denser population but there is going to be a "risk" with everything in life. Now is the time to get over our fears and start being productive and living again. We have learnt in the last 9 weeks how to behave around this virus. It wont be what it was like before but it will be a step in the right direction. Having said that I'm glad I'm in Ireland and not the UK.

(I'm amazed no matter what topic is being discussed Lainey that you always seem to have numerous friends and acquaintances you can quote who have been through the exact same experience , maybe its just a coincidence.....)

Quantum Erasure

paw patrol wrote: »

must be some heart broken lockdown cheerleaders today.

show me one

retro:electro

retro:electro wrote: »

We have the lowest number of reported deaths today since the end of March, and Tony is still whinging and finger wagging about that survey which shows 46% of Irish people feel the worst is over. He finds this “concerning”. Are we not even allowed a bit of optimism now? Jaysus is there anything we’re allowed at all? He’s never happy unless he’s miserable as my mother used to say

I am sick to death of Tony Holohan. Ditto doom monger George Lee. At least Leo Varadkar is less visible. I no longer watch any TV News, I hear on the radio at some stage the latest figure and thats enough for me.
Did just 4 people die today (RIP)? This is just fantastic news for the country. The Irish people have done an amazing job on this and we need to be congratulated. FFS him being "concerned" and Simon Harris telling us to "cop on":( We're not a bunch of toddlers :mad:

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am sick to death of Tony Holohan. Ditto doom monger George Lee. At least Leo Varadkar is less visible. I no longer watch any TV News, I hear on the radio at some stage the latest figure and thats enough for me.
Did just 4 people die today (RIP)? This is just fantastic news for the country. The Irish people have done an amazing job on this and we need to be congratulated. FFS him being "concerned" and Simon Harris telling us to "cop on":( We're not a bunch of toddlers :mad:

Actually two of the deaths reported are from April, so only two deaths from over the weekend!

Jim Bob Scratcher

Deleted User wrote: »

I am sick to death of Tony Holohan. Ditto doom monger George Lee. At least Leo Varadkar is less visible. I no longer watch any TV News, I hear on the radio at some stage the latest figure and thats enough for me.
Did just 4 people die today (RIP)? This is just fantastic news for the country. The Irish people have done an amazing job on this and we need to be congratulated. FFS him being "concerned" and Simon Harris telling us to "cop on":( We're not a bunch of toddlers :mad:

Same here, the lot off them should be tossed out on their heads after this passes, starting with that bollocks Holohan.

MrDavid1976

Great news. Only two deaths over the weekend. RIP and sympathies with their families.

Again, the CMO is focusing on the behavioural survey:

He is concerned that there was an increase in the percentage of people surveyed (from 43% to 46%) who felt that the worst of the virus was behind us and he said it was important to continue the good work and keep up the high standards of behaviours such as handwashing and social distancing that will keep the virus suppressed. He said that increased percentage gave him "some cause for concern and we need to keep an eye on this".

In my opinion he is reading this wrong - from a medical point of view rather than behavioural - and it is worrying they are focusing on this. The answer to the question is positive (I would be more concerned that 52% of people are so frightened they think it is ahead of us), but rather they need to be asking other questions:

Do you agree with the necessity for hand washing, personal etiquette etc. as a means to control the virus?

Do you agree with the need for social distancing bla bla bla?

Ardent

Colibri wrote: »

Fcxking delighted. Of all the places that present risk, outdoors is not one of them.

Wrong. A recent Chinese study showed that 20% of folks were infected from just having an outdoor conversation with their neighbour.

Can’t afford to be staying in lockdown for 3 more months with only 4 dying. Time to start opening

Hurrache

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Same here, the lot off them should be tossed out on their heads after this passes, starting with that bollocks Holohan.

Quite a bit of naivety on this thread.

"We're doing great, now let's fire the people who implemented our successfull plans and policies".

WTF is wrong with you.