Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

MrDavid1976

[Deleted User] wrote: »

YAY! Just arranged hiking tomorrow with a friend , no restrictions in Northern Ireland anymore. I live close enough to the border so once I get there I will be free for the day, no police checkpoints in NI ! This is the way to go from tomorrow onwards.
After 10 weeks alone I've done my bit! The 5km here is ridiculous.

It is a low risk activity. Anything outdoors is low risk and limiting to 5km particularly in Dublin increases any risk there is while if you are in a rural area it makes no sense at all.

I know they are trying to stop people visiting their mobile homes but how difficult is that to police. It is not like their are hundreds of sites out there. And they don’t seem to be bothered about the travellers.

Ginger n Lemon

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup was said a few weeks ago at cabinet that both the dept of social protection and dept of business would use up all their budget for the year within weeks.
This isn't sustainable and wont keep going when the €350 12 weeks is up in a months time.

"In a letter to the Dáil’s business committee, Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe said the department’s current budget of €8.6 billion is likely to be 90 per cent spent by the end of May and fully spent by early June"

Not good. Especially when EU's 500bn free money fund is faced with resistance from serious members

"The foursome of Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands and Sweden — who advocate lower EU spending and tight fiscal discipline — will present their own counter-proposal, Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz declared Tuesday."

I am just joking, ofcourse its not free money.

"The frugals argue not just that any money borrowed from the markets should be paid back by the countries who receive the cash. If the EU as a whole has to pay back the loans, it would likely be the bloc’s richer countries on the hook for the lion’s share, they say. They also argue recipients of loans should have to carry out structural reforms to make their economies more resilient."

https://www.politico.eu/article/franco-german-recovery-deal-meets-resistance/

Unless we lose our status as a "richer" country. If we havent lost it already.

boring accountant

SusieBlue wrote: »

We’re turning into a nation of curtain twitchers, what a complete waste of Garda resources :rolleyes:

The person who posted that should be tarred and feathered.

lawrencesummers

Excuse me for being a cynic, but everything we are doing is working assuming the numbers we are getting are accurate.

While that’s good and we are on course to be able to lift restrictions as outlined by the roadmap and possibly earlier the single biggest issue we have is that there are no travel bans in place by our government.

We allowed the spread become worse than NZ but we have almost the same
Geographical advantage they have if we enforce it.

There are countries that still have the worst to come and we need to put an immediate ban on travel for all people from those countries, (USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile possibly the UK)

What we really need to do is ban all travel - except essential medical travel from all counties and then lift restrictions on a country by county basis. That includes travel from or through any countries so passengers need to provide evidence of their entire journey before being allowed onto planes destined for Ireland.

All of this is pointless if we allow Americans to come here in August / September.

KrustyUCC

The government is very reluctant to give details to their plans

"It comes after Minister for Health Simon Harris said that “very small weddings” of close family and friends could potentially take place in July.

Owner of Vienna Woods Hotel, Michael Magner, said that the Minister’s comments are “no different to what was published in the roadmap plan” published on May1 and that three weeks later, the hospitality industry “still has no direction”.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-hoteliers-call-on-government-for-clarity-on-reopening-as-no-direction-given-to-hospitality-sector-e5ac847b-9078-4efd-93cc-44d7d574a53f-ds

They've had almost two months at this stage

Smacks of sure we'll give out a plan and fill in the detail later just like the homeware 'typo' in phase one

road_high

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The government is very reluctant to give details to their plans

"It comes after Minister for Health Simon Harris said that “very small weddings” of close family and friends could potentially take place in July.

Owner of Vienna Woods Hotel, Michael Magner, said that the Minister’s comments are “no different to what was published in the roadmap plan” published on May1 and that three weeks later, the hospitality industry “still has no direction”.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-hoteliers-call-on-government-for-clarity-on-reopening-as-no-direction-given-to-hospitality-sector-e5ac847b-9078-4efd-93cc-44d7d574a53f-ds

They've had almost two months at this stage

Smacks of sure we'll give out a plan and fill in the detail later just like the homeware 'typo' in phase one

That was no more a typo...just more of the reactionary bull****e that’s this fiascos trademark

lawrencesummers

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The government is very reluctant to give details to their plans

"It comes after Minister for Health Simon Harris said that “very small weddings” of close family and friends could potentially take place in July.

Owner of Vienna Woods Hotel, Michael Magner, said that the Minister’s comments are “no different to what was published in the roadmap plan” published on May1 and that three weeks later, the hospitality industry “still has no direction”.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-hoteliers-call-on-government-for-clarity-on-reopening-as-no-direction-given-to-hospitality-sector-e5ac847b-9078-4efd-93cc-44d7d574a53f-ds

They've had almost two months at this stage

Smacks of sure we'll give out a plan and fill in the detail later just like the homeware 'typo' in phase one

The problem with a minister making a definitive statement on something like weddings is that every venue is different and may require Medical inspection To establish what quantities of people they can have in attendance.

Two ballrooms in Two different hotels with a fire licence for 250 people may have different ventilation, windows, configuration, bar size, toilet capacity, smoking areas, size, layout, air conditioning, kitchen facilities, waitstaff space etc etc and giving A blanket statement on everywhere is difficult.

Some schools may be able to open and others not for this same reason.

Ginger n Lemon

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Excuse me for being a cynic, but everything we are doing is working assuming the numbers we are getting are accurate.

While that’s good and we are on course to be able to lift restrictions as outlined by the roadmap and possibly earlier the single biggest issue we have is that there are no travel bans in place by our government.

We allowed the spread become worse than NZ but we have almost the same
Geographical advantage they have if we enforce it.

There are countries that still have the worst to come and we need to put an immediate ban on travel for all people from those countries, (USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile possibly the UK)

What we really need to do is ban all travel - except essential medical travel from all counties and then lift restrictions on a country by county basis. That includes travel from or through any countries so passengers need to provide evidence of their entire journey before being allowed onto planes destined for Ireland.

All of this is pointless if we allow Americans to come here in August / September.

Travel bans arent as easy to implement as one may think, especially when we are part of EU.

The fact that any Tom Dick or Harry may have crossed NI border this morning without any checks already defeats the purpose of "keep cases and deaths to as low as possible". "eradicate the virus" etc etc.

Majority of what we are doing is absolutely pointless in terms of reducing cases etc. 37k people got tested for covid last week, out of 105k available tests. People either do not have symptoms or cant be bothered. We need to lift the restrictions asap and actually operate as a country on both economic and healthcare front (80% of hospitals are empty, ICU is at all time low capacity also)

KrustyUCC

road_high wrote: »

That was no more a typo...just more of the reactionary bull****e that’s this fiascos trademark

Yeah it was BS as they feared crowds at IKEA so panicked

Couldn't even open up properly in phase one

KrustyUCC

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The problem with a minister making a definitive statement on something like weddings is that every venue is different and may require Medical inspection To establish what quantities of people they can have in attendance.

Two ballrooms in Two different hotels with a fire licence for 250 people may have different ventilation, windows, configuration, bar size, toilet capacity, smoking areas, size, layout, air conditioning, kitchen facilities, waitstaff space etc etc and giving A blanket statement on everywhere is difficult.

Some schools may be able to open and others not for this same reason.

All the more reason to give early guideance so people know what they can or can't do

Rodin

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah it was BS as they feared crowds at IKEA so panicked

Couldn't even open up properly in phase one

They were right to keep IKEA closed

KrustyUCC

Why?

What difference will three weeks make to IKEA?

bloodless_coup

is_that_so wrote: »

Is this a cultural reference we should recognise?

All the faux yanks will get it.

Ginger n Lemon

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Why?

What difference will three weeks make to IKEA?

Reality is only instance where opening IKEA was a bad idea is if it wouldve resulted in overwhelming our hospitals and ICU.

That would have as much chance of happening as Arsenal winning champions league.

Breezin

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Excuse me for being a cynic, but everything we are doing is working assuming the numbers we are getting are accurate.

While that’s good and we are on course to be able to lift restrictions as outlined by the roadmap and possibly earlier the single biggest issue we have is that there are no travel bans in place by our government.

We allowed the spread become worse than NZ but we have almost the same
Geographical advantage they have if we enforce it.

There are countries that still have the worst to come and we need to put an immediate ban on travel for all people from those countries, (USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile possibly the UK)

What we really need to do is ban all travel - except essential medical travel from all counties and then lift restrictions on a country by county basis. That includes travel from or through any countries so passengers need to provide evidence of their entire journey before being allowed onto planes destined for Ireland.

All of this is pointless if we allow Americans to come here in August / September.

We are no New Zealand. Do you think it is feasible, politically and physically, to close the border with Northern Ireland?

We live in a small island in which a fifth of the population - those living in the northeast corner - have absolute freedom to roam as they wish, while the rest are confined in an open prison. It's a farce and a tragedy.

Stark

Don't think anyone can really predict what the situation is going to look like in July either.

the kelt

Rodin wrote: »

They were right to keep IKEA closed

Why?

KrustyUCC

If they can social distance in three weeks time IKEA could do it on May 18th

Prob should have less queues with people restricted to 5km as oppossed to 20km on the 8th of June

IKEA and homeware stores was a major panic from the government

Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the plan

road_high

Rodin wrote: »

They were right to keep IKEA closed

Why? Because rte said so?

road_high

Interesting to hear the constant ads now on radio about “signing off Covid payment now you’re back to work!!”.
Code for we have no money and need to get as many off welfare as quickly as possible. Idiots

Allinall

road_high wrote: »

Interesting to hear the constant ads now on radio about “signing off Covid payment now you’re back to work!!”.
Code for we have no money and need to get as many off welfare as quickly as possible. Idiots

Fail to see how that makes them idiots.

is_that_so

Stark wrote: »

Don't think anyone can really predict what the situation is going to look like in July either.

Based on current trends yes. If trends change we'll say something else. Our level of confidence in describing the progress of the disease has increased substantially since the early dark days of March. Our current trends tentatively hint that we may have a lot more open than is currently planned for. That said, it's yet again another important few weeks!

road_high

Allinall wrote: »

Fail to see how that makes them idiots.

Because they had a ridiculously strict lockdown that forced thousands onto welfare payments we can’t afford for far too a long period. Now they’re desperately trying to reduce the burden. So yes, they’re are idiotic

is_that_so

road_high wrote: »

Interesting to hear the constant ads now on radio about “signing off Covid payment now you’re back to work!!”.
Code for we have no money and need to get as many off welfare as quickly as possible. Idiots

It's not welfare and it will be taxable. Who's still on it and working will emerge very quickly and they'll be kicked off.

lawrencesummers

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Travel bans arent as easy to implement as one may think, especially when we are part of EU.

The fact that any Tom Dick or Harry may have crossed NI border this morning without any checks already defeats the purpose of "keep cases and deaths to as low as possible". "eradicate the virus" etc etc.

Majority of what we are doing is absolutely pointless in terms of reducing cases etc. 37k people got tested for covid last week, out of 105k available tests. People either do not have symptoms or cant be bothered. We need to lift the restrictions asap and actually operate as a country on both economic and healthcare front (80% of hospitals are empty, ICU is at all time low capacity also)

The figures in the North are nowhere near as bad as other countries, while the amount of travel may be higher, but if we approach this from an island point of view we need to do something about travel originating outside the island.

The problem with implementing travel bans hasn’t really been teased out, or given a massive amount of consideration by the looks of it, and it needs to be.

prunudo

road_high wrote: »

Because they had a ridiculously strict lockdown that forced thousands onto welfare payments we can’t afford for far too a long period. Now they’re desperately trying to reduce the burden. So yes, they’re are idiotic

While also implementing an extremely draw out reopening process.

dundalkfc10

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not welfare and it will be taxable. Who's still on it and working will emerge very quickly and they'll be kicked off.

And the Revenue have said, will face penalties on top of the tax owed and paying the amount back if claiming when not suppose too

Allinall

road_high wrote: »

Because they had a ridiculously strict lockdown that forced thousands onto welfare payments we can’t afford for far too a long period. Now they’re desperately trying to reduce the burden. So yes, they’re are idiotic

You mustn't have listened to the ads.

They're not "desperately trying to reduce the burden". If they were, they would have let an awful more people go back to work.

They have lots more money to keep up the payments.

However, they are sending out a message to anyone who thinks they can scam the system by continuing to claim after going back to work, that there will be consequences.

Far from idiotic, but prudent.

lawrencesummers

Breezin wrote: »

We are no New Zealand. Do you think it is feasible, politically and physically, to close the border with Northern Ireland?

We live in a small island in which a fifth of the population - those living in the northeast corner - have absolute freedom to roam as they wish, while the rest are confined in an open prison. It's a farce and a tragedy.

I didn’t say we are New Zealand, but geographically we have similarities and can use them to our advantage if we stop travel, which the government doesn’t appear to be inclined to do. Europe or no Europe it needs to happen.

And your open prison nonsense is exactly that. We don’t control the laws of the UK, and can only seek to have compliance, but that’s the downside of having a land border with another country.

is_that_so

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

And the Revenue have said, will face penalties on top of the tax owed and paying the amount back if claiming when not supposed too

Indeed, as there should be.