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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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    #6152
    [Deleted User]
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    This is all taking a very familiar pattern.

    Person breaks rules.
    Person justifies breaking rules by downplaying their actual activity and referencing their “struggle” and how much they have sacrificed.
    Person knows more than all the experts that are working on this.
    Person thinks the rules are ridiculous in their particular situation because it didn’t do any harm.


    You all keep justifying to yourselves what you are doing if you want to, but the guidelines are in place because peoples Movement needs to be restricted at the moment.

    One incident of bending the rules might seem fine, but that’s because the majority can conform.

    So you had a nice day up the hill today, what if 200 people decide tommorow it’s ok to go up the hill, and 400 the day after. Is that still ok?

    And then one falls, and need medical help, and mountain rescue. Then what, it’s ok for you to put them
    in danger because going for a walk 5km from your own house didn’t suit you?

    What the responsible person does is see the 200 on the hill and says think I will go elsewhere today. What is needed is enough of the irresponsible to heed the rules. The responsible will be grand


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    #6153
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    RobitTV wrote: »
    So it's ok then to go up the mountains? which is outdoors... :confused:

    People are being encouraged to go outdoors.
    They are not encouraged to break the rules.

    Was that really difficult?


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    #6154
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    You can find as many reasons to justify it to yourself as you want but it comes down to one thing. Selfishness.

    I was supposed to climb Carrountouhill with a friend a week before the lockdown, cancelled it because of what was happening and a number of vulnerable
    Peopl are at home, Looking forward to doing it soon when the experts tell me I can.

    I often cycle my bike 80km, haven’t done that in a long time and the weather is brilliant.

    I don’t agree with the rules, but I accept they are there for a reason, and a very good reason, so you keep justifying to yourself what your are doing is ok and hope that this disease doesn’t claim anyone close to you.

    Why do you think you’re the only person who has made a personal sacrifice over the last few weeks?
    Everyone here has, in some way or another. People have lost their jobs, not seen their families, missed out on their hobbies & education and put up with the isolation.

    There comes a time when you have to say enough is enough and put yourself first.
    If you want to continue suffering in misery you are welcome to it, but you have no right to call another person selfish.
    There is only so much a person can be expected to take, there is no need to make a martyr of yourself.


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    #6155
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭snowcat


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Maybe ask your plumber to wire your sockets the next time as well.


    You post some extremely stupid things.

    You are the stupidiest person on this planet. If there is a new plumbing problem that no plumber on the planet has worked out a solution for, it may be wise to listen to the plumbers but there is no guarantee the plumbers will have a solution to your problem.


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    #6156
    RobitTV
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    People are being encouraged to go outdoors.
    They are not encouraged to break the rules.

    Was that really difficult?

    1. She didn't endanger anyone
    2. She followed social distancing guidelines
    3. This mountain is in Northern Ireland where our "rules" don't apply
    4. She is now feeling mentally much better, is that a bad thing?
    5. I bet you she won't have killed anyone by tomorrow morning by going up a mountain....


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    #6157
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    snowcat wrote: »
    You are the stupidiest person on this planet. If there is a new plumbing problem that no plumber on the planet has worked out a solution for, it may be wise to listen to the plumbers but there is no guarantee the plumbers will have a solution to your problem.

    Better to ask a plumber than a hairdresser though


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    #6158
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Better to ask a plumber than a hairdresser though

    Yeah but we are asking Workmen that are not even plumbers. Tony is a doctor not an epidemiologist


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    #6159
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,974 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Better to ask a plumber than a hairdresser though

    Well the hairdressers seem to be better than the health experts at sourcing PPE.


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    #6160
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    snowcat wrote: »
    Yeah but we are asking Workmen that are not even plumbers. Tony is a doctor not an epidemiologist

    Tony is a figurehead. De gascun is a virologist


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    #6161
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    I didn’t criticise anyone for going outdoors.

    That rant really takes the biscuit for most hysterical post. You've beaten recycling bins spreading the virus to binmen, bottle banks becoming centres of outbreak, cyclists and joggers spreading it. You take the award for most ridiculous post. You beautiful man.


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    #6162
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Tony is a figurehead. De gascun is a virologist

    Well the virologist then needs to be answering questions. Not a general doctor.

    And preferably it should be an Epidemiologist, not a virologist.


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    #6163
    the kelt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Drove from Wexford to Glendalough, on to roundwood, newtownmountkennedy and back down the motorway, no check points, surprised, particularly in Laragh.

    Beautiful day, spoke to a few other humans during the day, had a nice sambo coming down the road.

    There was a fella in an i am Larry t shirt who was taking pics of me and writing in his notebook when I stopped for my sambo which was a bit off putting and twice when I stopped another man was standing with a sandwich board claiming the end was nigh and his right hand was stuck up the arse of an emerald coloured amphibian puppet of some sort.

    Apart from that all in all it was a nice day!


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    #6164
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    snowcat wrote: »
    Well the virologist then needs to be answering questions. Not a general doctor.

    But Tony is our leader. :(


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    #6165
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    snowcat wrote: »
    Well the virologist then needs to be answering questions. Not a general doctor.

    We should be having two updates, the medical update led by de gascun and Nolan, and a overall status update led by...**** knows, don’t know who has the chops for that.. from politicians I would say Coveney, Doherty or Callerey, but they are very much the tallest dwarfs.


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    #6166
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What the responsible person does is see the 200 on the hill and says think I will go elsewhere today. What is needed is enough of the irresponsible to heed the rules. The responsible will be grand

    What the responsible person does is wait a few weeks. Mountains are more than likely not going anywhere.


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    #6167
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,194 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    What the responsible person does is wait a few weeks. Mountains are more than likely not going anywhere.

    She already said she had been completely alone for 10 weeks. 10 weeks! Sounds like a very responsible person to me. Is that not long enough? Why would you begrudge a person spending time outdoors (where there is no evidence that any significant transmission happens anyway) when she said that she was socially distant from her companion and others the whole time. There is little or no risk from that. Get a grip.


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    #6168
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    What the responsible person does is wait a few weeks. Mountains are more than likely not going anywhere.

    You do know the rules are there because a significant minority cannot be trusted to be responsible, not because stuff like not driving 6km or not going for a walk in the mountains actually achieves anything?


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    #6169
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Why do you think you’re the only person who has made a personal sacrifice over the last few weeks?
    Everyone here has, in some way or another. People have lost their jobs, not seen their families, missed out on their hobbies & education and put up with the isolation.

    There comes a time when you have to say enough is enough and put yourself first.
    If you want to continue suffering in misery you are welcome to it, but you have no right to call another person selfish.
    There is only so much a person can be expected to take, there is no need to make a martyr of yourself.

    The second is actually the definition of the former.

    I’ve sacrificed plenty, never said anything that remotely suggests I’m the only one, but I have the capacity and maturity to realize that things are for the greater good.


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    #6170
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    She already said she had been completely alone for 10 weeks. 10 weeks! Sounds like a very responsible person to me. Is that not long enough? Why would you begrudge a person spending time outdoors (where there is no evidence that any significant transmission happens anyway) when she said that she was socially distant from her companion and others the whole time. There is little or no risk from that. Get a grip.

    Asked and answered.


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    #6171
    gw80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭gw80


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    What the responsible person does is wait a few weeks. Mountains are more than likely not going anywhere.

    Eh. ever heard of erosion?


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    #6172
    SNNUS
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    Get that man a gold star!


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    #6173
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    That rant really takes the biscuit for most hysterical post. You've beaten recycling bins spreading the virus to binmen, bottle banks becoming centres of outbreak, cyclists and joggers spreading it. You take the award for most ridiculous post. You beautiful man.

    That’s the first accurate thing you have posted in this thread.


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    #6174
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    In the supermarket tonight. About 5% wearing masks.

    Good to see the majority of people don't buy into the over hyped nonsense.


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    #6175
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    gw80 wrote: »
    Eh. ever heard of erosion?

    I’ve been dealing with massively eroded intelligence around here for a while, does that count?


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    #6176
    castletownman
    Registered Users Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    She already said she had been completely alone for 10 weeks. 10 weeks! Sounds like a very responsible person to me. Is that not long enough? Why would you begrudge a person spending time outdoors (where there is no evidence that any significant transmission happens anyway) when she said that she was socially distant from her companion and others the whole time. There is little or no risk from that. Get a grip.

    Because he is the self-appointed king of the mountains


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    #6177
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You do know the rules are there because a significant minority cannot be trusted to be responsible, not because stuff like not driving 6km or not going for a walk in the mountains actually achieves anything?

    and you do know that if everyone is allows to make up their own version of the rules things will get out of hand very quickly


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    #6178
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    bloodless_coup wrote: »
    In the supermarket tonight. About 5% wearing masks.

    Good to see the majority of people don't buy into the over hyped nonsense.

    I am here arguing against both extremes, wearing a mask in an enclosed environment is not nonsense, it is choice however, not going 6 km from your home for some socially distant interaction or exercise is nonsense


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    #6179
    Kermit.de.frog
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    I'd tend to think wearing a mask at this time demonstrates respect toward others around you regardless of what one thinks of it.


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    #6180
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    That’s the first accurate thing you have posted in this thread.

    It's one more accurate thing than you've come out with that's for sure


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    #6181
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    and you do know that if everyone is allows to make up their own version of the rules things will get out of hand very quickly

    That’s why behaviour that doesn’t add risk should be tolerated, or at least ignored, while risky behaviour is challenged. If you challenge the person alone, 6km from home, very quickly respect for the behaviour that we actually need be to engaged with will be lost


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