Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Seanachai

How do they enforce the quarantine for Irish citizens returning from overseas, are they just phoning people and asking them if they're at home?

snowgal

I genuinely believe at this stage that Leo and co are literally there to give information on behalf of our true ruler of Ireland, Mr Tony. They are afraid to make any decisions and from the way our restrictions are being lifted, you know that it is Tony in the driving seat. I think Leo has it in the back of his mind that hes probably not going to be Taoiseach this time next year so he doesn't care as much about the economy as it wont be his problem to deal with the long term fallout of this...

LiquidZeb

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Yea, so you need to pay better attention to what your hearing and not react out of your blinkered stances rage.

You were never told that easing restrictions would increase cases.

We have all been told that easing restrictions could increase cases. If it hasn’t then that’s brilliant and that info can be examined and used elsewhere.

Yeah I'm sure it's all part of holohans master plan. He's the general Patton of healthcare.

RobitTV

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Yea, so you need to pay better attention to what your hearing and not react out of your blinkered stances rage.

You were never told that easing restrictions would increase cases.

We have all been told that easing restrictions could increase cases. If it hasn’t then that’s brilliant and that info can be examined and used elsewhere.

That's totally untrue and full of lies. We have been told time and time again that easing restrictions sooner rather than later would increase cases significantly. The evidence is building against that on a daily and weekly basis.

So now that you see the reality around Europe, will you finally agree with reopening the economy sooner? instead of bashing people for going up mountains :pac:

Get back to watching Netflix.

VillageIdiot71

Is Brazil one to watch? They've about fifty times our population, so if the risk is on the scale originally forecast for Ireland they should be heading for "up to" 4 million deaths.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200522-brazil-covid-19-coronavirus-jair-bolsonaro-epidemic

skelly22

Seanachai wrote: »

How do they enforce the quarantine for Irish citizens returning from overseas, are they just phoning people and asking them if they're at home?

Soon they'll just knock on your cell door and make sure you're still inside. That's the plan anyway. Funny thing is...I'm not even kidding.

Wibbs

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The world will be full of Monday morning quarterbacks in a few months.

“I wouldn’t have done that, I would have done this now that I can see the clear mistake that has Probably already been acknowledged”

Read back through the Covid19 threads on this forum. Go back a couple of months, even further and you will see "eejits on the interwebs" regularly having a far better clue and plans than our morons in the Dail and HSE.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Elaborate on infinitely better?
Every country is different for a multitude of reasons.

We have done better than the UK, Spain, Italy, France with regards actual deaths, but you ignore that because of your agenda.

Here we have a letter perfect example of the aim for mediocrity I noted earlier. Compare ourselves to the worst, rather than the best, hell even the better. That's an "agenda" apparently. :rolleyes: And before any suggestion of political bias, I have regularly said none of the Irish political parties would have done any better. Well they'd all have to deal with the clusterfcuk that is the HSE. Never mind that the other parties have been quiet about it. Criminally so.

Now for a start both Italy and Spain were weeks ahead of us, but apparently not enough to serve as a warning. The French weren't far behind them. The Brits completely cocked it up and now top the European charts in numbers of dead . Never mind the Asian nations handling this far better in January and who did we look to? It's bloody hard to tell actually.

We got the lockdown kick off right and the hospital capacity just in case and yep the covid payment. Thumbs up for us. However, in every other risk assessment and reduction factor we, rather the government and the HSE fcuked up. Sometimes to a near criminal degree. The reopen the care homes after it was clear this was killing the elderly like flies. The asymptomatic spread is almost no risk a month after this was known to be nonsense. The testing fiasco. The farcical contact tracing that barely deserves the name. no drive for face coverings until very recently and even then is "advisory". The lack of border control. The lack of quarantine protocols. Protocols these utter bloody fools are talking about now. Now when we need to be opening the country. Never mind the retarded 5Km rule. It wouldn't actually shock me that they'll call for mandatory masks soon enough. Three months too late. These criminally incompetent morons invented closing the door after the horse has bolted.

RobitTV

It must be a complete conspiracy theory that the Spanish cases grew by next to nothing yesterday. The Gemma bots and Trump supporters are all out in action today!

LiquidZeb

RobitTV wrote: »

That's totally untrue and full of lies. We have been told time and time again that easing restrictions sooner rather than later would increase cases significantly. The evidence is building against that on a daily and weekly basis.

So now that you see the reality around Europe, will you finally agree with reopening the economy sooner? instead of bashing people for going up mountains :pac:

Get back to watching Netflix.

He also described the majority of the working population as unnecessary yesterday and so far today hes gone after dentists and gp's.

RobitTV

LiquidZeb wrote: »

He also described the majority of the working population as unnecessary yesterday and so far today hes gone after dentists and gp's.

Funny how he is bashing working people daily. I have a feeling somebody can't be arsed doing a days work :pac:

LiquidZeb

RobitTV wrote: »

It must be a complete conspiracy theory that the Spanish cases grew by next to nothing yesterday. The Gemma bots and Trump supporters are all out in action today!

The mountains are probably ravaged by covid after that poster went for a walk yesterday though.

Wibbs

skelly22 wrote: »

Soon they'll just knock on your cell door and make sure you're still inside. That's the plan anyway. Funny thing is...I'm not even kidding.

Nah they won't S. Our authorities couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. At the height of the initial lockdown with roadblocks all over the place ten families of Travellers were able to come into Ireland from one of the worst hit nations in Europe, drive 50k + into its heartland and illegally set up camp on government land. Apparently the authorities were "liaising" with them. Utterly ridiculous.

seamus

RobitTV wrote: »

We need dozens of people to express how they feel. We need to kick start the campaign to create the national debate around the lockdown phase plan.

The last thing we need is a national debate. You can't run an effective pandemic response on populism.

Everyone isn't entitled to have their opinion heard about what we should be doing.

It's amusing that there seems to be no middle ground here.

A month ago people were going mad that there appeared to be no quarantine coming into the country.

Now other people are going mad that they're planning on putting in quarantine rules.

Anyone who thinks that we're moving towards a police state or that it's a free for all with nobody following the guidelines, need to calm their tits and go out for a walk.

Get a sense of reality.

lawrencesummers

RobitTV wrote: »

That's totally untrue and full of lies. We have been told time and time again that easing restrictions sooner rather than later would increase cases significantly. The evidence is building against that on a daily and weekly basis.

So now that you see the reality around Europe, will you finally agree with reopening the economy sooner? instead of bashing people for going up mountains :pac:

Get back to watching Netflix.

Post some links so..

RobitTV

LiquidZeb wrote: »

The mountains are probably ravaged by covid after that poster went for a walk yesterday though.

100% i mean that woman who walked the mountain yesterday is already on trial for mass murder.

lawrencesummers

VillageIdiot71 wrote: »

Is Brazil one to watch? They've about fifty times our population, so if the risk is on the scale originally forecast for Ireland they should be heading for "up to" 4 million deaths.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200522-brazil-covid-19-coronavirus-jair-bolsonaro-epidemic

Brazil, Peru and Chile all going to be major problems.
Terrible healthcare, worse leadership and completely inaccurate figures.

polesheep

Dovies wrote: »

Where are they proposing to detain all these people? Or is that another 'we will let you know when we think you need to know' things?

Probably in the nursing homes.

Wibbs

seamus wrote: »

It's amusing that there seems to be no middle ground here.

A month ago people were going mad that there appeared to be no quarantine coming into the country.

Now other people are going mad that they're planning on putting in quarantine rules.

It's equally amusing you can't cop on to the obvious difference between those two timeframes. Two months ago a quarantine(among other things) would have almost certainly reduced the infection and death rates. Today it's too late for that and is another example of closing the stable door after the horse is long gone and about as much use as tits on a bull when other nations are opening up borders and we're not seeing any second wave yet. I'll bet we won't either, or it'll be a small one and localised.

Seanachai

skelly22 wrote: »

Soon they'll just knock on your cell door and make sure you're still inside. That's the plan anyway. Funny thing is...I'm not even kidding.

I'm under no illusions about how extreme/absurd it could get.

uli84

any positive news today anyone?

RobitTV

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Post some links so..

Look at the evidence. Not one country which has re-opened in Europe has seen the predicted model of surging cases from experts. What more do you want?

You almost seem miserable about this fact. It's all doom and gloom with you, going after workers who want to earn a living and people going up mountains.

Going after hard working people is the lowest type of nonsense. Just because you wan't to sit and watch Netflix all day long, does not mean everyone else wishes to follow you.

It's terrible the way you lecture people who have worked so hard for years. Keep clutching at those rosary beads because the tide is turning.

bb1234567

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

US has recorded 1,286 deaths yesterday from covid.

Population of 331,000,000.

Covid is indeed on the way out, not because of lockdowns, not because of law enforcement breaking up groups of 3 or 4 people or people aged 5-55 are staying at home as much as possible, but because of hand washing, social distancing and more importantly change in human behaviour.

Is that supposed to sound insignificant? Heart disease, by far the leading cause of death in the USA kills 1700 daily. Big decreases in recent weeks, but far from on the way out unfortunately for the Americans though.

There are plenty of positive news stories around the world of the virus being overcome, but 1400 US COVID deaths yesterday supposedly being a small number is not one of them.

lawrencesummers

Wibbs wrote: »

Read back through the Covid19 threads on this forum. Go back a couple of months, even further and you will see "eejits on the interwebs" regularly having a far better clue and plans than our morons in the Dail and HSE.

Here we have a letter perfect example of the aim for mediocrity I noted earlier. Compare ourselves to the worst, rather than the best, hell even the better. That's an "agenda" apparently. :rolleyes: And before any suggestion of political bias, I have regularly said none of the Irish political parties would have done any better. Well they'd all have to deal with the clusterfcuk that is the HSE. Never mind that the other parties have been quiet about it. Criminally so.

Now for a start both Italy and Spain were weeks ahead of us, but apparently not enough to serve as a warning. The French weren't far behind them. The Brits completely cocked it up and now top the European charts in numbers of dead . Never mind the Asian nations handling this far better in January and who did we look to? It's bloody hard to tell actually.

We got the lockdown kick off right and the hospital capacity just in case and yep the covid payment. Thumbs up for us. However, in every other risk assessment and reduction factor we, rather the government and the HSE fcuked up. Sometimes to a near criminal degree. The reopen the care homes after it was clear this was killing the elderly like flies. The asymptomatic spread is almost no risk a month after this was known to be nonsense. The testing fiasco. The farcical contact tracing that barely deserves the name. no drive for face coverings until very recently and even then is "advisory". The lack of border control. The lack of quarantine protocols. Protocols these utter bloody fools are talking about now. Now when we need to be opening the country. Never mind the retarded 5Km rule. It wouldn't actually shock me that they'll call for mandatory masks soon enough. Three months too late. These criminally incompetent morons invented closing the door after the horse has bolted.

It doesn’t take a pandemic to show the massive issues that exist in Irish healthcare. I’ve said this since early that our healthcare system can’t handle any of this, and thats completely true when you see that the HSE has been unable to handle anything bar the odd life/death emergency while this has been going on. Essentially we don’t currently have a healthcare system, all of our resources are tied up handling covid19

The problem with posters here is that some have an open up agenda and want to use countries that have done better to push their own agenda, while ignoring the other countries. That lacks balance

RobitTV

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1261353327113244675

lawrencesummers

RobitTV wrote: »

Look at the evidence. Not one country which has re-opened in Europe has seen the predicted model of surging cases from experts. What more do you want?

You almost seem miserable about this fact. It's all doom and gloom with you, going after workers who want to earn a living and people going up mountains.

Going after hard working people is the lowest type of nonsense. Just because you wan't to sit and watch Netflix all day long, does not mean everyone else wishes to follow you.

It's terrible the way you lecture people who have worked so hard for years. Keep clutching at those rosary beads because the tide is turning.

Your not even moving the goalposts here, your playing a different sport now.

Go back to the last post, where I told you that you didn’t pay attention to what you were actually told.

Ginger n Lemon

bb1234567 wrote: »

Is that supposed to sound insignificant? Heart disease, by far the leading cause of death in the USA kills 1700 daily. Big decreases in recent weeks, but far from on the way out unfortunately for the Americans though.

There are plenty of positive news stories around the world of the virus being overcome, but 1400 US COVID deaths yesterday supposedly being a small number is not one of them.

It is a small number. You clearly dont know that on average 2.8 million people die in US each year.

Divide that by 365 days and then re read your post.

seamus

Wibbs wrote: »

It's equally amusing you can't cop on to the obvious difference between those two timeframes. Two months ago a quarantine(among other things) would have almost certainly reduced the infection and death rates. Today it's too late for that and is another example of closing the stable door after the horse is long gone and about as much use as tits on a bull when other nations are opening up borders and we're not seeing any second wave yet. I'll bet we won't either, or it'll be a small one and localised.

This is all armchair stuff and you know it.

I agree it's being implemented far too late, but it's very short-sighted to declare, "Ah sure we're definitely over the worst of this, what's the point". It's better late than never.

If it turns out to be unnecessary, grand, we remove it.

But I'd rather we had it now than be looking back in a month's time thinking, "Yeah, maybe we should have put that quarantine in place after all".

Realistically we haven't a rashers what's going to happen next. We won't really know until Italy's open borders experiment is about a month old. Very few countries have anything approaching open borders at this stage, we are geographically surrounded by most of the worst-hit countries on the planet.

It would be foolish to ignore the issue of border control at this early stage.

lawrencesummers

RobitTV wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1261353327113244675

https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-cases-covid-19-increasing-thousands-reopening/story?id=70720497

bb1234567

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

It is a small number. You clearly dont know that on average 2.8 million people die in US each year.

Divide that by 365 days and then re read your post.

You clearly do not understand the significance of a brand new cause of death now being the number two cause of death in the USA. If it makes you feel better to believe that it is a small number then alright

It's like discussing statistics with a child. This number is bigger than that number therefore the smaller figure is no big deal!

AdamD

seamus wrote: »

This is all armchair stuff and you know it.

I agree it's being implemented far too late, but it's very short-sighted to declare, "Ah sure we're definitely over the worst of this, what's the point". It's better late than never.

If it turns out to be unnecessary, grand, we remove it.

But I'd rather we had it now than be looking back in a month's time thinking, "Yeah, maybe we should have put that quarantine in place after all".

Realistically we haven't a rashers what's going to happen next. We won't really know until Italy's open borders experiment is about a month old. Very few countries have anything approaching open borders at this stage, we are geographically surrounded by many of the worst-hit countries on the planet.

It would be foolish to ignore the issue of border control at this early stage.

Yeah I'm one of the people calling for the lockdown measures to end quicker, but I'm not overly against this quarantine. Why risk importing cases? Can't imagine our tourism industry is going to be booming in the next 2 months regardless, under the current plan it will mostly still be closed. No point encouraging people to leave the country and spend their money elsewhere either..