Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon

uli84 wrote: »

any positive news today anyone?

Unfortunately not so far. There are bad news though

"Higher interest rates pose major financial risk to Ireland, Donohoe warns
Minister for Finance says current low interest rates won’t last forever"

“If you have a national debt well in excess of €200 billion, a minute change in those interest rates can have a very significant effect on the day-to- day operation of the Irish State,” he warned.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/higher-interest-rates-pose-major-financial-risk-to-ireland-donohoe-warns-1.4260061

We are basically on borrowed time. this is a ticking time bomb that will get very ugly the minute interest rates go unfavourably.

RobitTV

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Your not even moving the goalposts here, your playing a different sport now.

Go back to the last post, where I told you that you didn’t pay attention to what you were actually told.

I'm going up a mountain tomorrow, please don't call the rosary bead brigade on me. The horror! :pac:

This is such a waste of time.

titan18

Tbf, we'd have had a ****storm of a scenario if UK do the 2 week quarantine with the exception of us, and we don't. What you'll get is everyone flying to Ireland to go to the UK to avoid the quarantine. I've seen people already talk of it online on reddit if UK had a quarantine and we didn't.

Ginger n Lemon

bb1234567 wrote: »

You clearly do not understand the significance of a brand new cause of death now being the number two cause of death in the USA. If it makes you feel better to believe that it is a small number then alright

2,800,000 die in US per year.

Covid deaths after 5 months : 91,000.

Yeah, you are right, totally 2nd leading cause of death and well they better lock up their children or could go extinct.

The bad grasp of mathematics you have is worrying. 91,000 is 3.25% of 2.8m btw, are you sure that at 31.12.2020 Covid will be 2nd leading cause of death.... :rolleyes:

Mic 1972

RobitTV wrote: »

Look at the evidence. Not one country which has re-opened in Europe has seen the predicted model of surging cases from experts. What more do you want?

You almost seem miserable about this fact. It's all doom and gloom with you, going after workers who want to earn a living and people going up mountains.

Going after hard working people is the lowest type of nonsense. Just because you wan't to sit and watch Netflix all day long, does not mean everyone else wishes to follow you.

It's terrible the way you lecture people who have worked so hard for years. Keep clutching at those rosary beads because the tide is turning.

You are rambling
Every nation is carefully monitoring the daily increases and ready to go back into restrictions if required. The Italian press has an article about increasing new cases in Milan today
Italy reopened on may 4th allowing people to go out 1km the way we have it here, then reopen a little more on 18th at the same level as us

RobitTV

It's truly frightening the way some people want more misery to occur and a second wave to appear just so that they can be proven right on a online forum.

Truly childish and petty. Netflix must be running out of shows.

lawrencesummers

RobitTV wrote: »

I'm going up a mountain tomorrow, please don't call the rosary bead brigade on me. The horror! :pac:

This is such a waste of time.

It’s not really.
It’s very interesting.

When people come along and post links for data that’s a week old in an effort to substantiate their point it’s comical how silly their post looks when you look at actual current data.

Yesterday there were 862 new confirmed* cases, 0 recoveries, 78 deaths. The rolling 7-day average of 670 new cases a day is currently growing +1.4% a day, at that rate in Georgia...

CASES IN 7 DAYS
45,636
ESTIMATED
4,973 NEW CASES
CASES IN 14 DAYS
51,144
ESTIMATED
10,481 NEW CASES
CASES IN 30 DAYS
66,050
ESTIMATED
25,387 NEW CASES


https://covidusa.net/?state=Georgia




So contrary to the old information you posted, Covid19 Is actually spreading in Georgia.

RobitTV

Mic 1972 wrote: »

You are rambling
Every nation is carefully monitoring the daily increases and ready to go back into restrictions if required. The Italian press has an article about increasing new cases in Milan today
Italy reopened on may 4th allowing people to go out 1km the way we have it here, then reopen a little more on 18th at the same level as us

"Ready to get back into restrictions if required" That's going to be as popular as cancer.

Deeper Blue

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s not really.
It’s very interesting.

When people come along and post links for data that’s a week old in an effort to substantiate their point it’s comical how silly their post looks when you look at actual current data.

Yesterday there were 862 new confirmed* cases, 0 recoveries, 78 deaths. The rolling 7-day average of 670 new cases a day is currently growing +1.4% a day, at that rate in Georgia...

CASES IN 7 DAYS
45,636
ESTIMATED
4,973 NEW CASES
CASES IN 14 DAYS
51,144
ESTIMATED
10,481 NEW CASES
CASES IN 30 DAYS
66,050
ESTIMATED
25,387 NEW CASES


https://covidusa.net/?state=Georgia




So contrary to the old information you posted, Covid19 Is actually spreading in Georgia.

1.4% growth in cases is tiny though no?

RobitTV

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s not really.
It’s very interesting.

When people come along and post links for data that’s a week old in an effort to substantiate their point it’s comical how silly their post looks when you look at actual current data.

Yesterday there were 862 new confirmed* cases, 0 recoveries, 78 deaths. The rolling 7-day average of 670 new cases a day is currently growing +1.4% a day, at that rate in Georgia...

CASES IN 7 DAYS
45,636
ESTIMATED
4,973 NEW CASES
CASES IN 14 DAYS
51,144
ESTIMATED
10,481 NEW CASES
CASES IN 30 DAYS
66,050
ESTIMATED
25,387 NEW CASES


https://covidusa.net/?state=Georgia




So contrary to the old information you posted, Covid19 Is actually spreading in Georgia.

So what should happen now? let's shut down the state once again and screw everyone going back to work and living a life. Just because of a rather insignificant growth rate.

We have to keep social distancing going. We can't keep people locked up inside for eternity for a 1.4% growth rate. Protect the elderly by all means, but get healthy people back to work.

Kermit.de.frog

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So contrary to the old information you posted, Covid19 Is actually spreading in Georgia.

Yes, and the death rate is increasing as was warned but of course ignored by the moronic governor who decided tattoo parlors were among "essential services".

Deaths were in the teens through last week and in to the 20's most of this week and now up to 57 yesterday.

It's cause and effect some people seem to have difficulty understanding.

FintanMcluskey

bb1234567 wrote: »

You clearly do not understand the significance of a brand new cause of death now being the number two cause of death in the USA.

Died with Coivd or died due to Covid?

Are we going to see a drop in deaths attributed to cancer, heart disease etc this year?

bb1234567

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

2,800,000 die in US per year.

Covid deaths after 5 months : 91,000.

Yeah, you are right, totally 2nd leading cause of death and well they better lock up their children or could go extinct.

The bad grasp of mathematics you have is worrying. 91,000 is 3.25% of 2.8m btw, are you sure that at 31.12.2020 Covid will be 2nd leading cause of death.... :rolleyes:

Ugh, this is just getting silly. First covid deaths in USA were in March, 2.5 months ago. Just right off the bat your statistics are already greatly flawed and disingenuous thought this comes as no surprise. Also a COD death toll from 2.5 months cannot be compared to death tolls over a 12 month period, again totally flawed and disingenous.

As I said, if you do not wish or fail to understand the gravity of the situation of COVID now being a leading cause of death in the US , then feel free to. Just dont get butthurt when you get called out for posting that BS on a public platform

stephenjmcd

Mic 1972 wrote: »

You are rambling
Every nation is carefully monitoring the daily increases and ready to go back into restrictions if required. The Italian press has an article about increasing new cases in Milan today
Italy reopened on may 4th allowing people to go out 1km the way we have it here, then reopen a little more on 18th at the same level as us

Can you link said article ? Just interested to have a look at it.

Also theres a lot more businesses and services open in Italy than here so to say we're on the same level isn't accurate. They can actually visit a bar or restaurant or cafe and sit in and have a coffee and a meal if they wish.

We cant do that until the end of June.

They can also travel within their own region and not the 1k thing that you've mentioned.

Mic 1972

RobitTV wrote: »

"Ready to get back into restrictions if required" That's going to be as popular as cancer.

then make sure we dont have to face that again, it's up to us entirely

Ginger n Lemon

bb1234567 wrote: »

Ugh, this is just getting silly. First covid deaths in USA were in March, 2.5 months ago. Just right off the bat your statistics are already greatly flawed and disingenuous thought this comes as no surprise.

As I said, if you do not wish or fail to understand the gravity of the situation of COVID now being a leading cause of death in the US , then feel free to. Just dont get butthurt when you get called out for posting that BS on a public platform

It is indeed silly, first covid case in US in January......... do you really think theres been no covid deaths before March? Are you that naive?

gravity of situation? they had 60 000 die off flu in winter (not a whole year before you ask) of 2018. You dont seem to grasp the numbers, timelines or deaths that well at all in a perspective way.

Micky 32

Mic 1972 wrote: »

You are rambling
Every nation is carefully monitoring the daily increases and ready to go back into restrictions if required. The Italian press has an article about increasing new cases in Milan today
Italy reopened on may 4th allowing people to go out 1km the way we have it here, then reopen a little more on 18th at the same level as us

Just curious, do you spend all day looking for said articles hoping to find news like this and then running to the computer( or whatever device you have) to post it on here with glee?

lawrencesummers

NDWC wrote: »

1.4% growth in cases is tiny though no?

Well when you are certain of the accuracy of the figures you can decide.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/20/us/florida-georgia-covid-19-test-data/

Micky 32

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Died with Coivd or died due to Covid?

Are we going to see a drop in deaths attributed to cancer, heart disease etc this year?

Without doubt you’ll see a miracle drop.

Ginger n Lemon

RobitTV wrote: »

So what should happen now? let's shut down the state once again and screw everyone going back to work and living a life. Just because of a rather insignificant growth rate.

We have to keep social distancing going. We can't keep people locked up inside for eternity for a 1.4% growth rate. Protect the elderly by all means, but get healthy people back to work.

Its a flawed statistic.

What kind of person links "new cases" "1.4% growth in new cases"

And doesnt link any recovery cases, any % growth in recovered cases etc?

Either dishonest and wants to hang onto the dream "lockdowns are doing a lot of good lets wait out till August" or a person who thinks covid has 100% mortality rate.

I'd have doubts about credibility of both types. As is, Europe has more recovered cases than active cases, perspective.

https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/

halfway through the page. This is the good piece of news of today

lawrencesummers

NDWC wrote: »

1.4% growth in cases is tiny though no?

Not if it doubles or triples every three days like we had seen before.

RobitTV

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Its a flawed statistic.

What kind of person links "new cases" "1.4% growth in new cases"

And doesnt link any recovery cases, any % growth in recovered cases etc?

Either dishonest and wants to hang onto the dream "lockdowns are doing a lot of good lets wait out till August" or a person who thinks covid has 100% mortality rate.

I'd have doubts about credibility of both types. As is, Europe has more recovered cases than active cases, perspective.

https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/

halfway through the page. This is the good piece of news of today

The amount of people who have recovered does not fit the narrative i am afraid. It's always going to #Doomandgloom front and centre.

Mic 1972

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Can you link said article ? Just interested to have a look at it.

Also theres a lot more businesses and services open in Italy than here so to say we're on the same level isn't accurate. They can actually visit a bar or restaurant or cafe and sit in and have a coffee and a meal if they wish.

they also have police agents monitoring them at close distance, agent dispersing people in parks, beaches and street when social distance isnt respected, none of that happening here. In fact we give the look of death to people wearing masks and keeping distance.


https://www.ilmessaggero.it/italia/lombardia_bollettino_contagi_milano_contagi_morti-5241653.html
https://www.ilgiorno.it/milano/cronaca/coronavirus-contagi-1.5153360

lawrencesummers

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Its a flawed statistic.

What kind of person links "new cases" "1.4% growth in new cases"

And doesnt link any recovery cases, any % growth in recovered cases etc?

Either dishonest and wants to hang onto the dream "lockdowns are doing a lot of good lets wait out till August" or a person who thinks covid has 100% mortality rate.

I'd have doubts about credibility of both types. As is, Europe has more recovered cases than active cases, perspective.

https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/

halfway through the page. This is the good piece of news of today

The link to the entire up to date data is there. Look for yourself, there is obviously going to be growth in recovery cases, as more people get infected more recover, it’s just that more die as well.

Look at the Georgia figures impartially, cases are growing and there are questions over their data because of political motivations Their particular version of easing restrictions clearly isn’t working.

Mic 1972

Micky 32 wrote: »

Just curious, do you spend all day looking for said articles hoping to find news like this and then running to the computer( or whatever device you have) to post it on here with glee?

no, but I read other things outside these board?
you?

ChelseaRentBoy

RobitTV wrote: »

It's truly frightening the way some people want more misery to occur and a second wave to appear just so that they can be proven right on a online forum.

Truly childish and petty. Netflix must be running out of shows.

Nobody wants that but you keep believing want you want.

lawrencesummers

RobitTV wrote: »

So what should happen now? let's shut down the state once again and screw everyone going back to work and living a life. Just because of a rather insignificant growth rate.

We have to keep social distancing going. We can't keep people locked up inside for eternity for a 1.4% growth rate. Protect the elderly by all means, but get healthy people back to work.

Maybe this will help you decide, economy over lives. Maybe you should look at those figures and realise they are completely preventable, and are actual human beings. Maybe that’s more important than money.

Your health is your wealth and all that.





GEORGIA MORTALITY RATE
4.4%

CURRENTLY W.H.O. MORTALITY RATE
3.6%

DEATHS IN 7 DAYS
2,008
ESTIMATED 233 NEW DEATHS


DEATHS IN 14 DAYS
2,250
ESTIMATED 475 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 30 DAYS
2,906 ESTIMATED 1,131 NEW DEATHS

stephenjmcd

Mic 1972 wrote: »

they also have police agents monitoring them at close distance, agent dispersing people in parks, beaches and street when social distance isnt respected, none of that happening here. In fact we give the look of death to people wearing masks and keeping distance.


https://www.ilmessaggero.it/italia/lombardia_bollettino_contagi_milano_contagi_morti-5241653.html
https://www.ilgiorno.it/milano/cronaca/coronavirus-contagi-1.5153360

They dont have a 1k rule as you mentioned. They can travel within their own region and into other regions early June

RobitTV

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Maybe this will help you decide, economy over lives....





GEORGIA MORTALITY RATE
4.4%

CURRENTLY W.H.O. MORTALITY RATE
3.6%

DEATHS IN 7 DAYS
2,008
ESTIMATED 233 NEW DEATHS


DEATHS IN 14 DAYS
2,250
ESTIMATED 475 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 30 DAYS
2,906 ESTIMATED 1,131 NEW DEATHS

Come on man don't be a misery guts. Tell us how many people recovered. Oh wait.....

road_high

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Unfortunately not so far. There are bad news though

"Higher interest rates pose major financial risk to Ireland, Donohoe warns
Minister for Finance says current low interest rates won’t last forever"

“If you have a national debt well in excess of €200 billion, a minute change in those interest rates can have a very significant effect on the day-to- day operation of the Irish State,” he warned.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/higher-interest-rates-pose-major-financial-risk-to-ireland-donohoe-warns-1.4260061

We are basically on borrowed time. this is a ticking time bomb that will get very ugly the minute interest rates go unfavourably.

Wow, who would have thought that an economy closed down, producing a fraction of usual output, masses on welfare would see increased interest rates on borrowings? Certainly not Donohoe who seems to be some of bystander in the midst of one of Irelands most serious economic shocks ever.