Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

pjohnson

bb1234567 wrote: »

Everyone just mix with elderly in normal social settings like there is nothing going on here, and who TF is to blame then when they start dying en masse?Who's head is on the chopping block for allowing that mess?

A few hours ago it was the HSE for how they handled nursing homes. But now everyone should visit their parents and distancing is "bollìx".

SusieBlue

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So today you are advocating a story that has somebody abiding by the guidelines, but yesterday it suited you not to. Have you decided what side of the fence you will be on tommorow.

That elderly man, RIP him.

But his death has zero, absolutely zero to do with restrictions, guidelines or lockdowns, and the simple fact that you don’t see is that an awful lot of other 70 year olds will get to hug their grandkids in a little while because we contained the spread of a virus that is particularly lethal to people that age.

Not at all, I’m still on the same side of the fence that I was on yesterday.
I’m despairing at the level of fear that has been conditioned into the general public.
Tony & the government have spent the last 2 and a half months implying anyone in close contact with the elderly is all but a granny killer, people are so afraid now from all the negativity and scaremongering that they can’t even make rational decisions for themselves.

I’m despairing at the fact that these overzealous, unnecessary restrictions have caused an elderly man to die alone and isolated after spending the last few weeks of his life absolutely miserable. I think that’s tragic and it was totally avoidable.

The spread is contained, and the curve has been flattened so I don’t see why it’ll be safe for 70+ Year olds to hug their grandkids in a few weeks but not now. That doesn’t even make sense. It’s the same virus, it hasn’t changed at all.

LiquidZeb

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What ignorant remarks are your referring to? Is this about the old dead guy with the heart attack on the radio?

I didn’t actually say anything about him before you jumped all over something I said with your faux outrage.

Yeah Lawrence I wonder what you said wrong? Bloody mystery.

lawrencesummers

RobitTV wrote: »

"The old dead guy with the heart attack on the radio"

I don't need to even say anymore. Thanks Lawrence! :pac::pac:

Are you just angry because you posted stuff about Georgia that was complete and utter bollocks and I pointed it out to you?

Was that to much adult for you to handle for one day?

CruelSummer

bb1234567 wrote: »

It's been 2.5 months. And what do you suggest as an alternative then? Everyone just mix with elderly like there is nothing going on here, and who TF is to blame then when they start dying en masse? I seriously dont get what the end goal is here , like what other way is there? It's sad and sucks for everyone but it will stop thousands of people dying

I think at some point common sense has to come into this, it has been sorely missing up to this point. Many older people are healthy, fit and in good shape. Is it worth the emotional torture we're inflicting on them at this stage in their lives? Not all of them are dying from Covid. Many have recovered from the virus. If a family have been isolated for weeks and have a tea at a social distance from a grandparent, is this a huge danger? Removing the glass would be a big relief for the grandparents and family alike. I don't think it is, unless they've specific risk factors.
Those in nursing homes have many underlying conditions and a weakened immune system which does leave them vulnerable. However if their healthcare workers caring for them are carrying Covid, is it much more of a risk to allow family in to say goodbye? We need to question what is happening and why at all times.
This is the biggest social change impacted on Ireland in over 100 years, every day these restrictions and changes continue, there should be irrefutable evidence to back it up. We currently have an acting government and NPHET deciding ALL policies that directly impact on all sectors of society.

Ginger n Lemon

People posting here completely disregard individuals appetite for risk and for what they want to do and how they want to live.

Take below for example

"For motorcycles 78.3% of reported crashes result in injury and 4.24% of crashes are fatal. Statistics from other countries confirm the US data. The UK Department for Transport indicated that motorcycles have 16 times the rate of serious injuries, people either killed or injured, compared to cars."

Are we to stop all people from motorcycles and get them to drive cars only?

So if that old man wanted to hug his grandchildren, is he mad? Are his grandchildren mad? More importantly, are they all healthy? Yes. They all had 97.5% chance of not having covid. (national statistic for testing shows 2.5% positive testing results). He shouldve taken the risk, oh wait he wanted to take the risk, its his daughter that let him down. And she will live with regret for a long time now. Unfortunately.

pjohnson

Blaze420 wrote: »

Did you yeah? Did the closure of the country and all services shops etc not give you a picture that this was some illness that was gonna kill everything in its path? The 2m distancing in shops in case god forbid you came in close contact with another breathing human? And where are we now? - 26k~ infections out of 4.8 million. Continue ****ting yourself if you want, the illusion has reached game over for everyone else.

Yep this was expected. Do you have any idea why we have so few infections Blaze? Did anything happen recently that might have reduced transmission?

Clue: You actually answer this in your post but seemed not so sure by the end!

RobitTV

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Are you just angry because you posted stuff about Georgia that was complete and utter bollocks and I pointed it out to you?

Was that to much adult for you to handle for one day?

You have been exposed just take it and move on man :pac:

Calm down.

Ginger n Lemon

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I notice the ginger and lime poster is gone fierce quiet since his priorities of a piss up in Spain have come to the fore as his motivations for ending the lockdown.

Keep driving up netflix's share price. Life saving hero.

ChelseaRentBoy

Predictable numbers given the scenes the last two weeks in Dublin in particular.

Unfortunately the solidarity that was needed by all our citizens was absent by many.

Going to a long road for our little island.

ChelseaRentBoy

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I notice the ginger and lime poster is gone fierce quiet since his priorities of a piss up in Spain have come to the fore as his motivations for ending the lockdown.

He's taking it hard it seems.

Ginger n Lemon

pjohnson wrote: »

Yep this was expected. Do you have any idea why we have so few infections Blaze? Did anything happen recently that might have reduced transmission?

Clue: You actually answer this in your post but seemed not so sure by the end!

Human behaviour has changed.

You havent thought about this have you? You think that because Simon Harris tweets and encourages country to be socially awkward, you think you are killing the virus?

pjohnson

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Keep driving up netflix's share price. Life saving hero.

Has anyone mentioned Netflix as much as you in this thread?

Most people I know that watch Netflix shows dont actually have Netflix.

Ginger n Lemon

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Predictable numbers given the scenes the last two weeks in Dublin in particular.

Unfortunately the solidarity that was needed by all our citizens was absent by many.

Going to a long road for our little island.

Denmark opened their barbers the day after they had 215 new cases.

On 21 April.

Over a month ago.

bush

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Predictable numbers given the scenes the last two weeks in Dublin in particular.

Unfortunately the solidarity that was needed by all our citizens was absent by many.

Going to a long road for our little island.

Would ya stop

Blaze420

pjohnson wrote: »

Yep this was expected. Do you have any idea why we have so few infections Blaze? Did anything happen recently that might have reduced transmission?

Clue: You actually answer this in your post but seemed not so sure by the end!

Yes I know why we have so few infections, we’ve had to endure 10 weeks of being involuntarily locked in the house despite the vIrus being effectively a patethic wet shart in terms of killing the general population as was prophesied. Now saying that - if our CMO has said the virus is effectively eliminated in community why are you so terrified of reopening the country? We could have done it 2 weeks ago at this rate, and going forward a gap of 3 weeks between phases is bollix because it’s not needed.

Isolate and cocoon the high risk categories and let the rest of us resume life as normal.

lawrencesummers

SusieBlue wrote: »

Not at all, I’m still on the same side of the fence that I was on yesterday.
I’m despairing at the level of fear that has been conditioned into the general public.
Tony & the government have spent the last 2 and a half months implying anyone in close contact with the elderly is all but a granny killer, people are so afraid now from all the negativity and scaremongering that they can’t even make rational decisions for themselves.

I’m despairing at the fact that these overzealous, unnecessary restrictions have caused an elderly man to die alone and isolated after spending the last few weeks of his life absolutely miserable. I think that’s tragic and it was totally avoidable.

The spread is contained, and the curve has been flattened so I don’t see why it’ll be safe for 70+ Year olds to hug their grandkids in a few weeks but not now. That doesn’t even make sense. It’s the same virus, it hasn’t changed at all.

Out of interest Where does your despair end? do you despair about the new cases today and the simple fact that some of them can be next weeks deaths?
Do you despair about the 11 who died today?
Do you despair about how those people caught a virus that we are trying very hard to contain?

As you have no medical background, and your not privy let alone able to interpret the current data it’s no surprise that you don’t see why in a few weeks it will be ok but now it’s not to big the most vulnerable.

Ive kids who have grandkids, none of whom have seen each other in all this time. That’s hard, but that’s necessary because two of those grandparents have very serious illnesses and the most fragile of immune systems.

LiquidZeb

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Denmark opened their barbers the day after they had 215 new cases.

On 21 April.

Over a month ago.

Clearly that second wave is just waiting to make it's dramatic entrance there's plenty all but begging for it at this point.

lawrencesummers

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Keep driving up netflix's share price. Life saving hero.

Will do.

Tell me have you the courage to enlighten us as to the real reason for your trip to Barcelona?

Ginger n Lemon

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Will do.

Tell me have you the courage to enlighten us as to the real reason for your trip to Barcelona?

To live life.

Something I recommend you look into, given that you posted 50 times in this thread over the last 2 hours.

RobitTV

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

To live life.

Something I recommend you look into, given that you posted 50 times in this thread over the last 2 hours.

Not a chance he is too busy being long term unemployed...

Not a days work done.

lawrencesummers

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Denmark opened their barbers the day after they had 215 new cases.

On 21 April.

Over a month ago.

If ever there was a soundly calculated and scientifically proven reason for a serious public health decision to be made in this country it’s because some blonde bacon eating fella in a different country can get a fade.

mean gene

lawrencesummers wrote: »

115 new cases
11 new deaths.


Getting there slowly.

I would guess lot of these new infections are kpac in Cork meat plant plus the refugees down in kerry who have been moved to Cork city - hope they isolate

lawrencesummers

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

To live life.

Something I recommend you look into, given that you posted 50 times in this thread over the last 2 hours.

Hen party?

RobitTV

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Hen party?

Wait a minute, why is this any of your business? Are you going to cast a rosary bead spell on us! :eek:

ZX7R

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

"Speaking this evening, Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer at the Department of Health, said the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) today recommended that the HSE “build on the very significant work to date in expanding the testing capacity, to ensure that there is an integrated and coordinated clinical and public health-informed approach to the establishment and implementation of a national testing strategy”.

This is ridiculous, 37k tests carried out last week out of 105k capacity.

Is Tony high or just plain stupid? Doesnt understand that theres little demand for testing..?

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-cases-and-deaths-in-ireland-3-5105501-May2020/

To be fair it will need to be done either ways for antibodie testing Wich is to comence next month

lawrencesummers

mean gene wrote: »

I would guess lot of these new infections are kpac in Cork meat plant plus the refugees down in kerry who have been moved to Cork city - hope they isolate

I would be surprised if it is Kepack because there was a story the other day about their employer getting their results before the patient.

Maybe the direct provision center, but a lot of them have been moved already to more isolated residences apparently.

Some information on the new cases would be good alright.

Ginger n Lemon

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Hen party?

No, a holiday actually. Going to see Sagrada Família, might check out camp nou. Drink plenty of sangria. Basically live life. See things.

you know, other than netflix.

Blaze420

lawrencesummers wrote: »

If ever there was a soundly calculated and scientifically proven reason for a serious public health decision to be made in this country it’s because some blonde bacon eating fella in a different country can get a fade.

Or maybe, just maybe, a lot of other countries are more adult in their approach to this? Ireland meanwhile treats its people like kids who **** or piss or the bed -3 weeks between phases up to August for a roadmap to reopening the country when finances hit rock bottom by June?

Galwayguy35

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Ive kids who have grandkids, none of whom have seen each other in all this time. That’s hard, but that’s necessary because two of those grandparents have very serious illnesses and the most fragile of immune systems.

You can't keep the majority of healthy people on lockdown to protect the few with serious health problems, we have done what was asked for the last 8 weeks but it's time to open up now.

RTE news is misery porn every day telling us how bad things are when the reality is the numbers are low enough to get back to normal life while keeping a social distance and hygiene.