Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

I have been looking at the internet. When did we vote to leave the EU and rejoin the U.K.?

I can tell you that is the impression now in Brussels.

Were Brussels on the phone to you, yeah?

MrDavid1976

Penfailed wrote: »

Were Brussels on the phone to you, yeah?

Actually yes. I lived there for 8 years.

Blaze420

road_high wrote: »

Took or leave McDonald’s but each to their own. They shouldn’t have closed anyhow but were guilt tripped into like so many other businesses back in March when the killing granny mobs had their pitchforks out for anyone that didn’t conform.
The Covid free supermarkets were grand though, almost heroic patriots.

Especially those with the elderly opening hours where they could exclusively come in and were safe from a virus that can live for 3 hours in the air...

Ginger n Lemon

"But we still think it's the right framework based on our current understanding of the virus. We are still a few short months into an experience of a transmissible illness.

"We're still experiencing very low levels of infection, all the indicators that we looked at, which gave us reason to recommend to government last Friday that now is the time to ease those restrictions, we haven't seen any worrying trend in relation to those, but it is too early to say."

Dr Holohan said that large gatherings of people as seen in the early parts of this week were "unfortunate" and said the recent rain and wind were welcome.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cmo-too-early-to-say-if-road-map-to-reopening-society-should-be-moved-forward-1001247.html

Our politics are getting into some sort of voodoo. praying for bad weather to try to keep people indoors. Talk about getting silly. Also, few short months? tell that to social welfare dept which is running out of money by end of next month.

bb1234567

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Well first off you havent provided a link to any scientific peer reviewed published study. You provided a link from bloomberg.com

2nd off I think that 0.5% mortality rate mentioned is a bit too high, even for 25% obese population of NYC.

"It also means that the fatality rate is likely lower than implied by merely examining confirmed cases and deaths. If 2.7 million people have been infected, that would put the fatality rate at about 0.5%, based on the death count of 15,500 the state used to make its calculation. Since then, the number of deaths in New York has risen to 15,740."

But 3rd and most importantly, what are you trying to say? are you trying to say covid mortality rate is closer to a flu? Cus couple of pages back you said covid mortality is more likely to be 1% yet you link a BBG article talking about a "study" showing 0.5% mortality.

Btw lets not go off topic too much as this thread is about lifting restrictions in Ireland, not antibodies on another continent.

'However, that comes with "two big caveats," he said. This data is preliminary and is only a sample of 3,000 people. In addition, the state doesn't count people who died at home — not in a nursing home or hospital — or who were never tested for COVID-19, in their official tally of COVID-19 fatalities.'

https://www.livescience.com/covid-antibody-test-results-new-york-test.html

It really doens't matter an iota what your opinion on an antibody test result is, it's a fact,not something up for debate.

Results of high quality antibody testing across the world will have a large impact on how everywhere else responds to handling the virus, it is incredibly relevant.

road_high

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

"But we still think it's the right framework based on our current understanding of the virus. We are still a few short months into an experience of a transmissible illness.

"We're still experiencing very low levels of infection, all the indicators that we looked at, which gave us reason to recommend to government last Friday that now is the time to ease those restrictions, we haven't seen any worrying trend in relation to those, but it is too early to say."

Dr Holohan said that large gatherings of people as seen in the early parts of this week were "unfortunate" and said the recent rain and wind were welcome.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cmo-too-early-to-say-if-road-map-to-reopening-society-should-be-moved-forward-1001247.html

Our politics are getting into some sort of voodoo. praying for bad weather to try to keep people indoors. Talk about getting silly. Also, few short months? tell that to social welfare dept which is running out of money by end of next month.

I despair. How much are these nuggets of wisdom from Holohan costing us?
If anything if we are to go by their “logic”, infection could increase in bad weather as people would more indoors with confined contact- supposedly easier for the deadly virus to spread and kill everyone.

bush

Watching RTE would depress the head off ya

Blaze420

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

"But we still think it's the right framework based on our current understanding of the virus. We are still a few short months into an experience of a transmissible illness.

"We're still experiencing very low levels of infection, all the indicators that we looked at, which gave us reason to recommend to government last Friday that now is the time to ease those restrictions, we haven't seen any worrying trend in relation to those, but it is too early to say.
Dr Holohan said that large gatherings of people as seen in the early parts of this week were "unfortunate" and said the recent rain and wind were welcome.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cmo-too-early-to-say-if-road-map-to-reopening-society-should-be-moved-forward-1001247.html

Our politics are getting into some sort of voodoo. praying for bad weather to try to keep people indoors. Talk about getting silly. Also, few short months? tell that to social welfare dept which is running out of money by end of next month.

The only unfortunate thing about it is they never cracked down on Irish travellers coming from the U.K. - a packed graveyard in Charleville last week attests to this. Those ****ing scumbags think it’s perfectly ok to breach conditions when and how they like. Scum and nothin else

growleaves

If anything if we are to go by their “logic”, infection could increase in bad weather as people would more indoors with confined contact- supposedly easier for the deadly virus to spread and kill everyone.

That is one of the main reasons illnesses spread in the winter, as everyone is forced indoors together for 4-6 months.

Micky 32

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

Not legal. At least within the EU. These guys are going nuts.

Harris and co have said they may make it mandatory soon, does he know a loophole ?

retro:electro

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

"But we still think it's the right framework based on our current understanding of the virus. We are still a few short months into an experience of a transmissible illness.

"We're still experiencing very low levels of infection, all the indicators that we looked at, which gave us reason to recommend to government last Friday that now is the time to ease those restrictions, we haven't seen any worrying trend in relation to those, but it is too early to say."

Dr Holohan said that large gatherings of people as seen in the early parts of this week were "unfortunate" and said the recent rain and wind were welcome.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cmo-too-early-to-say-if-road-map-to-reopening-society-should-be-moved-forward-1001247.html

Our politics are getting into some sort of voodoo. praying for bad weather to try to keep people indoors. Talk about getting silly. Also, few short months? tell that to social welfare dept which is running out of money by end of next month.

Not even allowed a bit of sun now. Tony wants it to piss down on top of us all while some people go through the toughest weeks they may ever endure. The good weather has been the only thing that has been making all of this more manageable, and it has lifted spirits all over. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so miserable.

Penfailed

CruelSummer wrote: »

You're right. It's not imprisonment, it's 'cocooning' / 'shielding', house bound, stay at home forever. What word would you use to describe someone who can't leave thier home except for 2km exercise per day and no shop visit or travel whatsoever?

It's ADVICE. It's not a prison sentence.

je551e

Are solicitors back working?

stephenjmcd

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0522/1140111-cabinet-politics/

Seems to be a growing number in cabinet pushing for the 2m distance to be reduced to 1m as per WHO guidelines

tobefrank321

bb1234567 wrote: »

Antibody tests show that around 9/10 tests are missed through official testing. This was the crux of your argument for why the illness was so mild a week ago. Now your claim the exact opposite for your new ramblings , great consistency of your arguments there

Community cases are practically zero currently though or so we're told.

The curve has been crushed, so the numbers of actual positives are low, likely twice the number of confirmed.

10,000 actual current cases is probably a reasonable estimate, all things considered.

The point being that it represents about 0.2% of the population. So the chances of the woman passing it to her father were miniscule and of him dying from it even more miniscule.

Penfailed

LiquidZeb wrote: »

No you're just stretching the arse out of the meaning of the word in order to berate someone for going on a walk. If she lived 5km would that make it magically okay?

Well, of course. Thems the rules.

mean gene

bush wrote: »

Watching RTE would depress the head off ya

Nanny state still - reading an interview today with geldof was on abt why he and the rats left ireland in the 70s some of those reasons are still valid

Penfailed

SusieBlue wrote: »

The spread is contained, and the curve has been flattened so I don’t see why it’ll be safe for 70+ Year olds to hug their grandkids in a few weeks but not now. That doesn’t even make sense. It’s the same virus, it hasn’t changed at all.

Who said it's going to be safe in a few weeks? That's a new one.

ZX7R

Micky 32 wrote: »

Harris and co have said they may make it mandatory soon, does he know a loophole ?

No , Harris said he would look at the legality of making it mandatory.
In March Harris said that the ministry of attorney general and current affairs was looking at the issue.
Nothing more came of it it's a real legal mine field.
We have a common border and we have the EU common area travel area.
Also we also have a caretaker government ,legally they may not be allowed to interduce any law to make it mandatory.
Also you have the date it's to be reviewed 18th June ,bang on the time frame the EU commission is due to release recommendations for travel

Blaze420

Penfailed wrote: »

Who said it's going to be safe in a few weeks? That's a new one.

It will be safe for certain groups not for others - Same as now

ZX7R

je551e wrote: »

Are solicitors back working?

They never stopped working,
Most working from home.

FintanMcluskey

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

Not legal. At least within the EU. These guys are going nuts.

Between the VRT and now this embargo on free travel surely Ireland has to be called to heel on this crap rather promptly.

Brussels must be wondering how a country that has benefitted so much by joining in 1973 can now turn maverick?

I think its ironic, the trio leading the charge to bankrupt Ireland at present are sticking the middle finger up to the only union that can bail them out come August when the money runs out to pay public sector workers.

Talk about biting the hand that will feed us

growleaves

mean gene wrote: »

Nanny state still - reading an interview today with geldof was on abt why he and the rats left ireland in the 70s some of those reasons are still valid

Stopping people from travelling without ID, restricting people to within 2km, only allowing approved labour etc. are more akin to Era of Stagnation Communism (the Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko years) than nanny-statism.

If this is nanny-statism then its the most extreme variant of it I've ever heard of. What from the 1970s is even approaching this in terms of how extreme it is?

Only the fact that it has been sold as absolutely necessary (though with undefined and morphing criteria) and there is no violent coercion makes it broadly acceptable.

je551e

ZX7R wrote: »

They never stopped working,
Most working from home.

Not my one

SusieBlue

Penfailed wrote: »

Who said it's going to be safe in a few weeks? That's a new one.

See below, apparently it will be safe for 70+ year olds to hug their grandkids in a few weeks but it’s still just too dangerous now.
Even with the country shut down and community transmission at near zero, it’s too dangerous now but will apparently be safe in a few weeks when restrictions are eased.
The mind boggles.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

and the simple fact that you don’t see is that an awful lot of other 70 year olds will get to hug their grandkids in a little while because we contained the spread of a virus that is particularly lethal to people that age.

growleaves

Not having a go at you mean gene. Its just that I usually associate "nanny state" in my mind with relatively-trivial but annoying guidelines, but you may understand the phrase differently.

Jinglejangle69

Do you anti restriction brigade still think you will be arrested if you break the restrictions after all this time!!!

Jesus put the phone down go outside of the 5km and blow a bit of steam off.

I guarantee you will find its grand and what you want is actually happening already:)

tobefrank321

Penfailed wrote: »

Who said it's going to be safe in a few weeks? That's a new one.

The danger is so miniscule currently as to be almost non existant. About 0.2% chance of passing it on, and about 1% of that again of dying from it.

So the chances of a kid hugging their grandparents leading to the death of one of those grandparents is all of 0.002%

Blaze420

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The danger is so miniscule currently as to be almost non existant. About 0.2% chance of passing it on, and about 1% of that again of dying from it.

So the chances of a kid hugging their grandparents leading to the death of one of those grandparents is all of 0.002%

Absolutely. So remind me why are we waiting until August for most of our.”roadmap”?

ixoy

riclad wrote: »

People over 60 are much more vulnerable if they get the virus they will need to go to hospital and they
will probably end up in an icu unit

Well that's just not true though is it?