Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

talla10

Rodin wrote: »

That simply isn't true.
Belgium has over twice as many dead per capita compared to Sweden.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/20/sweden-becomes-country-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-per-capita/

Crybabygeeks

Just sent all local TDs a note to relay my concerns re roadmap phasing, lack of transparent data based decision making and private hospital capacity. It probably won't make any difference but it can't hurt to raise in this way.

Del Griffith

talla10 wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/20/sweden-becomes-country-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-per-capita/

Did you read the article?

However, Sweden has only had the highest death rate over the past week, with Belgium, Spain, Italy, the UK and France, still ahead over all.

pjohnson

Crybabygeeks wrote: »

Just sent all local TDs a note to relay my concerns re roadmap phasing, lack of transparent data based decision making and private hospital capacity. It probably won't make any difference but it can't hurt to raise in this way.

I hope you signed it with your boards username :pac:

Gael23

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0522/1140111-cabinet-politics/

Seems to be a growing number in cabinet pushing for the 2m distance to be reduced to 1m as per WHO guidelines

Does Holohan have the final say on this?

harr

Everyone in my house getting completely bored and the lockdown is starting to drive the kids mad , the 5k extension has helped and the opening of of some outdoor activities also was god send.
We have a child we a seriously poor immune system so will have to be careful for a long while yet.
But I am noticing neighbors and friends who were complying With all the lockdown recommendations kind of dropping the ball over the last few days.
Grandparents visiting and hugs all round , kids friends over and adult friends visiting for a few drinks it’s like the virus has suddenly disappeared since last Monday.
Very little enforcement of social distancing in local shops and I have also noticed the guards have given up the patrols they were doing .
Just Hope he aren’t back to square one in a few weeks , because it seems people think the whole thing is behind us

MrDavid1976

Awareness levels to the dangers are now at least getting some airing

Travel proposals worry Ministers
NPHET has recommended 14 days at ‘designated facility’ for all arriving in Ireland
Jennifer Bray, Freya McClements, Paul Cullen, Martin Wall
FREYA McCLEMENTS, PAUL CULLEN, MARTIN WALL Cabinet Ministers have expressed concern about proposals from public health officials to make it mandatory for travellers into Ireland to self-isolate for two weeks.
Ministers agreed yesterday to make it a legal requirement for travellers who arrive by plane or boat to fill out a form telling the State where they plan to isolate for 14 days.
From next Thursday, anyone who does not provide those details, or gives incorrect information, could face a fine of up to €2,500 or a six-month prison sentence.
Cabinet sources said Ministers discussed more stringent proposals, including making it illegal not to abide by the 14-day isolation period. However, fears were expressed at the meeting about the impact such a move would have on the economy in the longer term.

Scale of economic decisions too big for a caretaker government
Cliff Taylor
The outgoing Government has made the big, early decisions about the Covid-19 crisis. But it is starting to run out of road. The endless delay in forming the next government may be manageable – if the talks succeed and the three parties, Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and the Greens, agree to form an administration before too long. But if the talks collapse, trouble awaits as key decisions will be put on hold, and legislation needed to enact measures already promised will face dangerous delays...... We will also need a new government to make key reopening decisions in the weeks ahead. Yes, the roadmap has been set down, but we are told it is a “living document”, which is the nice way of saying it might have to change. Flexibility is the only sensible approach here. But our reopening plan is very much at the cautious end internationally and this has consequences.

Government’s plan for re opening economy too cautious, says Goodbody
Eoin Burke-Kennedy
Dermot O’Leary of Goodbody said recovery was likely to be patchy
DERMOT O’LEARY OF GOODBODY SAID RECOVERY WAS LIKELY TO BE PATCHY
The Government’s plan to reopen the economy has been criticised as overly cautious.
Goodbody Stockbrokers said the lifting of restrictions here has been slower than in other countries and that this would hit the speed of recovery.
“Ireland’s success in controlling the virus suggests that the reopening plan could be accelerated, thus limiting the longer-term economic damage to jobs and the public finances,” the firm’s chief economist Dermot O’Leary said.


Higher interest rates pose major financial risk to Republic, Donohoe warns
Eoin Burke-Kennedy
Even “minute changes” in interest rates could pose a major financial risk to the State as it takes on more debt to deal with the pandemic, Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe has warned.
Addressing an online seminar hosted by the Institute of International and European Affairs (IIEA), Mr Donohoe said the money being borrowed to support workers affected by the lockdown will have to be paid back or refinanced at higher interest rates in the future.
“Some appear to be arguing that we make the same mistake about public debt for Ireland as was made about private debt a decade ago,” he said, referencing the huge build-up in borrowing prior to the 2008 financial crisis.
Low interest rates “are not going to be a normal” and this poses a threat to highly indebted countries such as Ireland.


Retailers face huge monthly declines for remainder of 2020, research shows
Mark Paul
Leading figures in the retail sector want the Government’s reopening plan to be reviewed after detailed new industry research laid bare the huge monthly declines stores are facing for the rest of 2020.
The sector-by-sector survey of 360 chief executives operating 4,500 outlets, by industry group Retail Excellence and disclosed to The Irish Times, predicts in-store revenues will be down by an average of 65 per cent across the sector next month. Some sectors, such as cinemas, face total wipeout in June.
Even after lockdown is unwound, most retailers are facing a financial disaster due to capacity reductions from stringent social distancing, as well the effects of general economic malaise and consumer fear.
Christmas shopping
Chief executives across the sector predict an average total decline of almost a quarter in the crucial Christmas shopping period of November and December. Some sectors, such as jewellery, predict declines of more than a third in sales this Christmas. Most sectors will see growth in online sales, but many are coming off a low base and it won’t come close to making up for the in-store declines.
The Retail Excellence research asked the 360 chief executives across 16 industry sectors, excluding grocery, for their budgeted monthly declines for the rest of the year.
Cafes and fast food shops will be hardest hit, with declines of 95 per cent in June, falling to 50 per cent by September/October. “Social distancing is the issue,” said David Fitzsimons, chief executive of Retail Excellence.
Cinemas will also be particularly badly hit this year, with reopenings not allowed until August 10th. This contrasts with cinema reopenings across the rest of Europe from May or June. Even by November/December, Irish cinema chief executives say they are predicting declines of 36 per cent.
Weather the turmoil
Garden centres and DIY stores will weather the turmoil best, due to running large facilities often with outdoor components. Garden centre sales will be down in-store between 28 per cent and 11 per cent each month for the rest of the year, but will rise online by 105 per cent, in June, and by 43 per cent each month at year end.
The “tactile” sector of jewellery will be down this year between 74 per cent next month and 35 per cent by year end. The malaise in “fashion and lingerie” sales will continue right through the Christmas period with total declines for June of 73 per cent moderating to a one quarter drop for the last two months of the year.
Meanwhile, fashion online sales will jump by a predicted 107 per cent next month, moderating to a 57 per cent increase by December, as the sector faces “significant migration online, as what was an enjoyable in-store browsable experience is anything but now” due to anti-coronavirus measures.
Mr Fitzsimons said he believes the scale of the damage will be “so significant, the economy is on the verge of collapse”.
“I think the Government’s reopening phases will have to be rethought,” he said.
He said shopping centre retailers, in particular, will suffer “irreparable damage” as they are not allowed reopen until August, while street-entry retailers can reopen weeks before them and will swallow any pent-up demand.
“When August rolls around, I believe that parts of shopping centres will stay shuttered when they reopen because some retailers won’t see the point,” he said.
“I can hear the strain in the chief executives’ voices when I talk to them.”

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

Fcuk all to do with you, I wasn’t asking you or your ilk thanks.

I'm glad that you are eventually taking my advice to lobby your elected representatives but it's absolutely hilarious that you can't think of the words required to do so.

pjohnson

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm glad that you are eventually taking my advice to lobby your elected representatives but it's absolutely hilarious that you can't think of the words required to do so.

Should someone not start a petition aswell?

prunudo

Good idea to send views to the politicians regarding opening up earlier. The more they see people are against the slow pace of opening back up the better.
Nothing to be ashamed about asking for a template either, not everyone is up to speed on the layout or way to phrase official correspondence.

Penfailed

prunudo wrote: »

Good idea to send views to the politicians regarding opening up earlier. The more they see people are against the slow pace of opening back up the better.
Nothing to be ashamed about asking for a template either, not everyone is up to speed on the layout or way to phrase official correspondence.

Layout and phrasing don't matter one iota. They're ordinary people. They'll get the message. I'd say getting a templated version of the same thing over and over and over again waters down any power that writing to your reps has.

road_high

prunudo wrote: »

Good idea to send views to the politicians regarding opening up earlier. The more they see people are against the slow pace of opening back up the better.
Nothing to be ashamed about asking for a template either, not everyone is up to speed on the layout or way to phrase official correspondence.

Thanks that’s what I meant, someone may have a solid structure.
But you’ve spurred me into it, going to that later. If nothing it’ll help me. And they probably wouldn’t bother with same thing over and over

Penfailed

To all those hikers and climbers out there, here's a message from Mountain Rescue Ireland -

"COVID-19, Phase 1 - MRI statement

Mountain rescue Ireland (MRI) recognises the importance of the outdoor environment for the physical and mental wellbeing of the community.
MRI would like to thank the public for your continued adherence to the Government guidelines during this global pandemic.

MRI anticipate a potential surge in people engaging in outdoor recreation arising from the Governments announcement of Phase 1 restrictions. MRI remain concerned that outdoor recreation will present a challenging environment for people to ensure safe distancing of 2 meters and in the context of personnel and vehicle congregate in areas such as car parks, trail entrances and scenic viewpoints.

Should the need for an emergency search and rescue response arise in an upland or mountainous area, it will prove extremely challenging for mountain rescue to maintain safe distancing between injured parties and rescuers. The operational environment and limited PPE supply chain places volunteer rescuers at risk and in turn the patient. We area also concerned with overwhelming the health system during this time.

MRI recommend that any outdoor activities conducted should be:

* within the required zone as per government recommendations
* be of short duration
* be complete during daylight hours
* be complete in low risk areas
* be complete with social distancing of 2 meters maintained

Congregating for hill walking or rock climbing in popular tourist areas would not be appropriate as per Government guidance.

To date MR teams have sustained rescue services during this global pandemic. Mountain rescue is a highly specialised, but a finite resource arising from its voluntary service and there has been changes in operational practices to safeguard the MRI volunteers firstly then the public. These changes include the increased use of phone triage and support, combined with callout efficiency driven by web-based platforms for the emergency services.

Mountain rescue teams are being challenged by the logistical difficulties of sourcing appropriate and affordable PPE, and anti-contamination measures for any equipment used.

MRI is communicating this message to RoI and NI members of the public is essential. We are thoroughly engaged with governments on both sides of the border. There will be challenges due to the differences in the phased return to normality in each jurisdiction but together we will continue to work to address any issues."

Ginger n Lemon

harr wrote: »

Everyone in my house getting completely bored and the lockdown is starting to drive the kids mad , the 5k extension has helped and the opening of of some outdoor activities also was god send.
We have a child we a seriously poor immune system so will have to be careful for a long while yet.
But I am noticing neighbors and friends who were complying With all the lockdown recommendations kind of dropping the ball over the last few days.
Grandparents visiting and hugs all round , kids friends over and adult friends visiting for a few drinks it’s like the virus has suddenly disappeared since last Monday.
Very little enforcement of social distancing in local shops and I have also noticed the guards have given up the patrols they were doing .
Just Hope he aren’t back to square one in a few weeks , because it seems people think the whole thing is behind us

Good to see some common sense and risk taking. Probably heard the sad story of an isolated granddad dying off heart attack from stress of isolation.

I think even at this stage old people with children and grandchildren realise that waiting around isnt a viable option, since govt havent mentioned at all when social distancing is to end.

prunudo

Penfailed wrote: »

Layout and phrasing don't matter one iota. They're ordinary people. They'll get the message. I'd say getting a templated version of the same thing over and over and over again waters down any power that writing to your reps has.

Possibly but no harm in asking and its more constructive than belittling a poster who asked for help because you've had opposing views throughout the thread.

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Good to see some common sense and risk taking.

Hahaha! Common sense and risk taking are mutually exclusive. Do you ever proofread the stuff you type?

Ginger n Lemon

Well what do you

"Pubs throughout the Republic will now be able to operate during the Covid-19 lockdown, subject to certain restrictions, because of a “lack of clarity” in the liquor licensing laws.

Garda Headquarters has sought legal advice on pubs delivering drinks and selling takeaway beverages from their premises and has been told that both practices do not contravene liquor licensing laws."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/pubs-can-deliver-pints-to-their-customers-again-following-legal-advice-1.4260451?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fpubs-can-deliver-pints-to-their-customers-again-following-legal-advice-1.4260451

Predictable for any decent solicitor to challenge these silly covid laws and win. So much for Gardai wasting tax payers money going undercover to shut down a Donegal pub trying to make a living.

ChelseaRentBoy

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

To live life.

Something I recommend you look into, given that you posted 50 times in this thread over the last 2 hours.

Coming from a guy who's posted 750 times in just over 2 weeks on this very thread :pac:

the kelt

Seen this morning that Wexford General hospital is now Covid free.

In going to head off this morning for my Saturday morning run and will be at certain stages of the run further than 5 k from my house, effectively breaking the law and essentially worse than hitler according to some on here.

I use the mountain bike trails in my local forest for my run so literally meet no one as any mountain bikers up there use the newer trails but again will be more than 5k from my house which is apparently not right.

Yet someone in Stephens green can stroll out as far as ucd and back coming in contact with hundreds of people but that’s alright!

Someone tell me again why we cannot treat certain areas of the country differently to others?

Ginger n Lemon

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Coming from a guy who's posted 750 times in just over 2 weeks on this very thread :pac:

37 posts per day, 2044 thanks from 500 posts.

Damn I actually feel much better now thanks

Thank you for your encouragement, check out my above posts about pubs being able to operate during lockdown.

upupup

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

37 posts per day, 2044 thanks from 500 posts.

Damn I actually feel much better now thanks

Thank you for your encouragement, check out my above posts about pubs being able to operate during lockdown.

Addicted to it now I think.

Ginger n Lemon

upupup wrote: »

Addicted to it now I think.

Out of all addictions available to me, this is probably the most harmless one :pac:

newuser99999

the kelt wrote: »

Seen this morning that Wexford General hospital is now Covid free.

In going to head off this morning for my Saturday morning run and will be at certain stages of the run further than 5 k from my house, effectively breaking the law and essentially worse than hitler according to some on here.

I use the mountain bike trails in my local forest for my run so literally meet no one as any mountain bikers up there use the newer trails but again will be more than 5k from my house which is apparently not right.

Yet someone in Stephens green can stroll out as far as ucd and back coming in contact with hundreds of people but that’s alright!

Someone tell me again why we cannot treat certain areas of the country differently to others?

I’ll be driving 30km to walk on the beach in Mayo where I won’t come into contact with anyone can’t wait. These restrictions are nonsense.

pjohnson

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Good to see some common sense and risk taking.

Possibly the best oxymoron yet from all 3 threads :pac:

Paddygreen

newuser99999 wrote: »

I’ll be driving 30km to walk on the beach in Mayo where I won’t come into contact with anyone can’t wait. These restrictions are nonsense.

I hope the Gardai detect you. Are you an expert? What makes you think that you know more than the experts? It’s people like you that ruin the ‘we are all in it together’ buzz for those of us that do listen to experts advice. I also hope a feeling of intense shame overwhelms you as you walk down that beach.

JoeA3

lol

alta stare

the kelt wrote: »

Seen this morning that Wexford General hospital is now Covid free.

In going to head off this morning for my Saturday morning run and will be at certain stages of the run further than 5 k from my house, effectively breaking the law and essentially worse than hitler according to some on here.

I use the mountain bike trails in my local forest for my run so literally meet no one as any mountain bikers up there use the newer trails but again will be more than 5k from my house which is apparently not right.

Yet someone in Stephens green can stroll out as far as ucd and back coming in contact with hundreds of people but that’s alright!

Someone tell me again why we cannot treat certain areas of the country differently to others?

Dont believe for one minute that you are going to be arrested for going beyond 5k. Go for your run and enjoy it. There have been plenty of people parked up and gone off for a walk at the quarry and not a Gaurd to be seen. They haven't been in Barntown as much the past week. Anyway i have to do a good bit of driving myself and iv always been let through the checkpoints.

There is a forest 20k from me and iv gone there a few times. I come in to contact with no one during the drive or when out in the forest. No harm done yet you would swear im murdering people the way some on here go on when they read such things. You are spot on about those in urban areas mingling with each other yet we are being told not to go to a big empty beach or forest. It makes no sense and never really did from the get go.

The scary thing about these restrictions and lockdowns is how quickly people accepted it and adhered to it without question. The 2k 5k travel limits were always a rediculous thing.

prunudo

prunudo wrote: »

Possibly but no harm in asking and its more constructive than belittling a poster who asked for help because you've had opposing views throughout the thread.

Its probably better to write your own email to local Govt representatives and also Opposition members. Its better than a tempate or copy and paste, more authentic.

I mentioned the ridiculous 5km restriction, something no other EU country has, and this is only being lifted to 20k on 8th June which will be maintained until 20th July! This is insane and is the restriction that is affecting people the most. A lot of us cannot see anyone until after 20th July and have done this lockdown alone.

Also mentioned €350 Covid payment to part time students until August! Private hospitals lying empty, colossal rent being paid to them by HSE to lie empty (!) , operations cancelled and no cancer screening.

I mentioned the depression I am seeing and hearing from so many people, the feeling of no hope, no appreciation for what the Irish Citizens have done so far, no positivity...............nothing but more severe restrictions, finger wagging, frowns, "we need to do more" messages every day, now jail if you don't observe "mandatory quarantine" for 14 days when you fly to or from UK for business.......etc, etc. I said that the psychology of fear is taking over the threat of Covid. Fear is the name of the game as far as I can see.

If my email does nothing but get the worries about the restrictions off my chest and not just rant on Boards, then its a good thing.

road_high

Paddygreen wrote: »

I hope the Gardai detect you. Are you an expert? What makes you think that you know more than the experts? It’s people like you that ruin the ‘we are all in it together’ buzz for those of us that do listen to experts advice. I also hope a feeling of intense shame overwhelms you as you walk down that beach.

You hope the Gardai “catch” someone going for a walk on an isolated beach. Out of all this hysteria I’ve learned that a large cohort of Irish society is simply unable to critically analyse a situation. Freak is right

CruelSummer

newuser99999 wrote: »

I am going to walk on a beach 30km away from my house, where I won’t come into contact with anyone. The same amount of people I would come into contact with if I walked the roads near my house. An intense shame won’t overwhelm me at all, I’d come into more contact if I went to my local Aldi or tesco. Freak.

Enjoy the walk and using your common sense .