Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

RobitTV

Simon Harris and Tony Holohan now know the game is close to being up, but they need to cover their asses first. And divert all attention away from themselves very quickly.

These two will have many questions to answer very soon...

C__MC

RobitTV wrote: »

Simon Harris and Tony Holohan now know the game is close to being up, but they need to cover their asses first. And divert all attention away from themselves very quickly.

These two will have many questions to answer very soon...

As long as RTE are around they'll be fairly safe

RobitTV

The curve looks like it’s well and truly flattened. That was the ambition and it has been achieved.

Time for the government to begin to organise the reopening of the country and the economy.

Neamhshuntasach

Think phase 2 needs to stick to current timelines. And we use the time till then to see what happens in other countries who are a few weeks ahead of us. If there has been no noticeable increases here or in other countries. Then we should move phase 3 forward by a week or 10 days. And then combine phases 4 and 5 and moving those forward too so everything is back on track by end of June or first week of July if cases haven't been increasing in the countries ahead of us or here. That will bring us pretty much in line with other EU countries that got over the peak before ours. Our peak was later. So it makes sense to open things up gradually later than them. But no point being too slow if the evidence suggests there is no need to.

Pubs are the tricky one here. Don't see any problems with restaurants as I think it's much easier to adhere to guidelines in them. As long as they are not used as a form of replacement for a pub.

KiKi III

snowcat wrote: »

Oh we could not do that. That makes sense. We are last in the class in Europe at the moment. I dont think any country will come to us for suggestions either.

So you think that we’ve handled this worse than the UK, Spain and Italy?

Even though we had a worse health system to start with but still have fewer deaths?

snowcat

KiKi III wrote: »

So you think that we’ve handled this worse than the UK, Spain and Italy?

Even though we had a worse health system to start with but still have fewer deaths?

No, a bit better than those countries in implementing measures. Behind those countries in reducing measures. We have a similiar icu capacity as the UK. On a separate note this whole idea of counting probable deaths and non lab confirmed cases is showing us in a disproportionate light. We are like Belgium in that regard in that we will probably have to revise our deathtoll downward at some stage at is more than likely well over estimated.

FintanMcluskey

KiKi III wrote: »

So you think that we’ve handled this worse than the UK, Spain and Italy?

Even though we had a worse health system to start with but still have fewer deaths?

Do you think the population stats would have anything to do with the fact that less deaths occurred in Ireland?

Of course Tony and Co will claim it was excellent management from a health care point of view

Stormyteacup

RobitTV wrote: »

Simon Harris and Tony Holohan now know the game is close to being up, but they need to cover their asses first. And divert all attention away from themselves very quickly.

These two will have many questions to answer very soon...

Yes but after CMO’s thorough whitewash of the care home issue, along the lines of how we reacted faster than any other country in the World after the first case in a care home had been reported - can’t help but think he has his eyes on the next prize, along the lines of we were the fastest country to get to zero cases after our peak or something similar.

Basically he is pretty much untouchable if he continues down this line - the only way to divert from current plan is for someone to put a stop to his gallop.

No promising candidates for that though at the moment.

Ginger n Lemon

We are officially doomed

"The Minister for Finance and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar believe that we will have to borrow our way out of the Covid-19 recession in the medium term."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/paschal-donohoe-wants-tap-eu-22069767?fbclid=IwAR2Z9yGn7oDA2HGPWJJYlY9CQJg9eZ0uJCXWqMzOVBqpW8K5u3NPSYB996Q

Instead of opening up the country and stimulating the economy these clowns want to borrow our way out of trouble, in the MEDIUM term. Not short term. not 1 - 6 months but like 6 - 12 months. 6 - 18 months.

One thing is for sure, Paschal is clearly not passive in all of this, he literally has settled for "lets reach out our hand to EU for some charity donations".

Fintan called it right all those weeks ago, we ll be on the packaging of Trocaire box, the green island.

KiKi III

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do you think the population stats would have anything to do with the fact that less deaths occurred in Ireland?

Of course Tony and Co will claim it was excellent management from a health care point of view

I think there are a myriad other of factors including population density that play into it, but overall I feel that our government should better leadership than the UK and acted more quickly and decisively than Italy’s.

I think the plan we are working on now is possibly over-cautious. I think we should move to 1m social distancing, and possible move some items from later phases into phase 1 and 2.

I’d just challenge the narrative that Ireland’s response has been spectacularly bad in the grand scheme of things. We should be able to criticise elements that could have been handled better without getting overly dramatic about it.

RobitTV

Nearly £140,000 pound has been raised online for a legal challenge against the UK lockdown measures.

The case was officially filed on Thursday.

Lawyers have this morning filed the application to the High Court for a Judicial Review of the Government’s lockdown regulations. They have filed over 1000 pages of legal documents including an 87 page Statement of Grounds.

The proceedings are against Matt Hancock, the Secretary of State for Health & Social Care – whose name is on the lockdown laws – and Gavin Williamson the Secretary of State for Education, who has presided over the closure of schools and universities.

The aim of the proceedings is to lift the ruinous lockdown, restore the civil liberties taken away from the public and allow schools, healthcare services and the economy to restart.

is_that_so

RobitTV wrote: »

Nearly £140,000 pound has been raised online for a legal challenge against the UK lockdown measures.

The case was officially filed on Thursday.

Lawyers have this morning filed the application to the High Court for a Judicial Review of the Government’s lockdown regulations. They have filed over 1000 pages of legal documents including an 87 page Statement of Grounds.

The proceedings are against Matt Hancock, the Secretary of State for Health & Social Care – whose name is on the lockdown laws – and Gavin Williamson the Secretary of State for Education, who has presided over the closure of schools and universities.

The aim of the proceedings is to lift the ruinous lockdown, restore the civil liberties taken away from the public and allow schools, healthcare services and the economy to restart.

What a mess! If they succeed can families of people who subsequently die from COVID-19 sue them?

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

We are officially doomed

"The Minister for Finance and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar believe that we will have to borrow our way out of the Covid-19 recession in the medium term."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/paschal-donohoe-wants-tap-eu-22069767?fbclid=IwAR2Z9yGn7oDA2HGPWJJYlY9CQJg9eZ0uJCXWqMzOVBqpW8K5u3NPSYB996Q

Instead of opening up the country and stimulating the economy these clowns want to borrow our way out of trouble, in the MEDIUM term. Not short term. not 1 - 6 months but like 6 - 12 months. 6 - 18 months.

One thing is for sure, Paschal is clearly not passive in all of this, he literally has settled for "lets reach out our hand to EU for some charity donations".

Fintan called it right all those weeks ago, we ll be on the packaging of Trocaire box, the green island.

We could remove all restrictions tomorrow and we would still need to borrow massively in the medium term. Borrowing is the only way out of this pandemic rescission with out a depression, for every country

on 28th March Simon Harris said that the restrictions wouldn't be sustainable for too long. How long did he mean? Here we are 9 weeks later.........................when can we have an update on what "too long" is Simon?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-coronavirus-restrictions-not-sustainable-for-a-long-period-simon-harris-39083391.html 28th

hopalongcass

Deleted User wrote: »

We could remove all restrictions tomorrow and we would still need to borrow massively in the medium term. Borrowing is the only way out of this pandemic rescission with out a depression, for every country

But obviously we will have to borrow less and the pain less severe if we let everyone back to work and stop paying people 350 a week to do nothing.

Ginger n Lemon

rubadub wrote: »

So a 13 times the usual amount.

google says california has a population of 39.51 million another site says 11 suicides per 100,000 in 2019, so 4346 per year

so in 4 weeks an increase of a usual average of 334 to 4346

but this one says it was attempts, and the longer quote makes me think it is the actual quote
https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/

But arent lockdowns meant to save lives? Thats wat RTE been advertising to us.

You can see why most of US states arent taking covid seriously.

MrDavid1976

The existing Government advice on social distancing is 1 metre.

Ginger n Lemon

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

The existing Government advice on social distancing is 1 metre.

This is getting out of hand now... its like the other day Leo said masks shld be worn on busy public transports. Bus drivers asked if 15 passangers (out of 70 capacity) due to social distancing on every bus is "busy"? They obv thought it wasnt..

stephenjmcd

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

The existing Government advice on social distancing is 1 metre.

Is that from the booklet that went to houses ?

MrDavid1976

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Is that from the booklet that went to houses ?

Yes.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/partner-resources/covid-19-information-booklet.pdf

snowcat

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Is that from the booklet that went to houses ?

The one that cost about 4million and everyone duly dropped in the recycling bin with the glove they picked it up with.

stephenjmcd

snowcat wrote: »

The one that cost about 4million and everyone duly dropped in the recycling bin with the glove they picked it up with.

Interesting that their own booklet says 1m at least, gives businesses something to go back to them with when they printed it originally

Stark

My local park has one of the social distancing signs with the 1m scribbled out

Fair enough better to add some padding when you're asking people to distance without measuring tape.

Micky 32

MadYaker wrote: »

So much mindless hysteria. The restrictions will ease and things will largely go back to normal.

It’s a pity there isn’t a feature where you could thank a post more than once .

ZX7R

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

We are officially doomed

"The Minister for Finance and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar believe that we will have to borrow our way out of the Covid-19 recession in the medium term."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/paschal-donohoe-wants-tap-eu-22069767?fbclid=IwAR2Z9yGn7oDA2HGPWJJYlY9CQJg9eZ0uJCXWqMzOVBqpW8K5u3NPSYB996Q

Instead of opening up the country and stimulating the economy these clowns want to borrow our way out of trouble, in the MEDIUM term. Not short term. not 1 - 6 months but like 6 - 12 months. 6 - 18 months.

One thing is for sure, Paschal is clearly not passive in all of this, he literally has settled for "lets reach out our hand to EU for some charity donations".

Fintan called it right all those weeks ago, we ll be on the packaging of Trocaire box, the green island.

You post is very miss informed and as for the article it is piss poor reporting.
The 500 billion will be the first of a probable 3 that will be created by the EU commission.
The purchase of theses funds is for economic development and stimulus
It can be used only for that purpose for EU members opening up there economy's.
Although not decided yet the Bond's are believed that they will have a 100 year dividends or a collective interest rate of probably zero.
Social benefits will have to be made up by money from each countries exchequer as there economy's begin to recover.

MrDavid1976

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s a pity there isn’t a feature where you could thank a post more than once .

Indeed. An economics guru who is completely out on his own in terms of the effects from this.

snowcat

ZX7R wrote: »

You post is very miss informed and as for the article it is piss poor reporting.
The 500 billion will be the first of a probable 3 that will be created by the EU commission.
The purchase of theses funds is for economic development and stimulus
It can be used only for that purpose for EU members opening up there economy's.
Although not decided yet the Bond's are believed that they will have a 100 year dividends or a collective interest rate of probably zero.
Social benefits will have to be made up by money from each countries exchequer as there economy's begin to recover.

That was painful reading. You really need to sort out your English.

Micky 32

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

Indeed. An economics guru who is completely out on his own in terms of the effects from this.

What has that got to do with my post about 1 particular post?

MrDavid1976

Micky 32 wrote: »

What has that got to do with my post about 1 particular post?

You wanting to thank a post more than once that we will be back to normal. We will not be back to normal.

MrDavid1976

ZX7R wrote: »

You post is very miss informed and as for the article it is piss poor reporting.
The 500 billion will be the first of a probable 3 that will be created by the EU commission.
The purchase of theses funds is for economic development and stimulus
It can be used only for that purpose for EU members opening up there economy's.
Although not decided yet the Bond's are believed that they will have a 100 year dividends or a collective interest rate of probably zero.
Social benefits will have to be made up by money from each countries exchequer as there economy's begin to recover.

The Franco-German plan links the debt to a harmonised tax base.