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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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    #7862
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    I wonder .... it's getting pretty toasty over here now, I wonder if this heat is a huge factor in this drop of cases, could we get too relaxed and a second wave slams us in November ?

    This is my main worry now, second wave
    The first wave caught a lot countries extremely unprepared. You'd like to think that will not be an issue in the event of a second one. It may well come but I think we will be able to manage it a lot better, hopefully even to the point of limiting it to very much smaller numbers.


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    #7863
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Arghus wrote: »
    Detailed breakdown of the public opinion survey from today and the ones from before that too:

    https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/6b4401-view-the-amarach-public-opinion-survey/

    Lol survey carried on on behalf of Department of Health says 75% of people think we are doing adequately well in terms of our lockdown and re opening (that Dept of Health been in charge of really) or even re opening a bit too quickly.

    Wow. Eye opener. didnt expect that one at all.


    PS This reminds me of "employee satisfaction survey" that is also carried on on behalf of your employer, about your employer, you dont really come into a room to witness such presentation only to see 90% of people hate their company/manager etc....


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    #7864
    manniot2
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Ivan Yates did a good summation of the population yesterday. When you count all the public sector workers, retirees, long term unemployed, students, those on 350e a week when previously in non fixed employment etc, you are left with 1m people in the private sector who may lose their jobs/businesses and want lockdown to end. That is in line with the results of the survey. People have it too good in this lockdown!


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    #7865
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,408 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    uli84 wrote: »
    This is too funny

    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-comfortable-1m-social-distance-5107553-May2020/The

    The comments are disturbing. They're the equivalent of sticking both thumbs in your ear. The blackhole in public finances are shocking- potentially €7 billion behind in VAT returns which is over 10% of total tax intake already. And that's the tip of the iceberg. I don't know where this is going to end, but have a bad feeling about it.


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    #7866
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    VonLuck wrote: »
    Very surprising to see that only 21% of people think that the return to normality in Ireland is either a bit too slow or much too slow. You'd think from reading this thread that it's 79%!

    This place is an echo chamber.

    People looking to complain will make the effort to do so online whereas those who are content keep their mouth shut and their keyboards dusty.


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    #7867
    manniot2
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    road_high wrote: »
    The comments are disturbing. They're the equivalent of sticking both thumbs in your ear. The blackhole in public finances are shocking- potentially €7 billion behind in VAT returns which is over 10% of total tax intake already. And that's the tip of the iceberg. I don't know where this is going to end, but have a bad feeling about it.

    Some guy on the comments is "happy to move to one meter as soon as we have 2 days of no deaths". I would love to hear the science behind that logic.


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    #7868
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,026 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Arghus wrote: »
    Detailed breakdown of the public opinion survey from today and the ones from before that too:

    https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/6b4401-view-the-amarach-public-opinion-survey/

    Only 40% traveled over 5k and 50% have met absolutely nobody outside their household. Are we supposed to believe this ****e.


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    #7869
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    road_high wrote: »
    The comments are disturbing. They're the equivalent of sticking both thumbs in your ear. The blackhole in public finances are shocking- potentially €7 billion behind in VAT returns which is over 10% of total tax intake already. And that's the tip of the iceberg. I don't know where this is going to end, but have a bad feeling about it.
    And yet it's not like we haven't been here before. We will get through it, it'll just take a while, maybe quite a while. Once we get to the end of the phases some levels of tax activity should start to slowly return.


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    #7870
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Ivan Yates did a good summation of the population yesterday. When you count all the public sector workers, retirees, long term unemployed, students, those on 350e a week when previously in non fixed employment etc, you are left with 1m people in the private sector who may lose their jobs/businesses and want lockdown to end. That is in line with the results of the survey. People have it too good in this lockdown!

    Sorry now but In my house 2 public sector workers who can’t wait for this lockdown to end and the sooner the better.


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    #7871
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Only 40% traveled over 5k and 50% have met absolutely nobody outside their household. Are we supposed to believe this ****e.
    You don't know how that 40% did so. I'd be in that 40% but it's inside a car only!


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    #7872
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    This place is an echo chamber.

    People looking to complain will make the effort to do so online whereas those who are content keep their mouth shut and their keyboards dusty.

    We'll see how content people are come budget time in October. The very same ones saying it's moving just right or even too fast will be the first to complain when they hear of all the lovely new taxes and deductions introduced to syphon the €350 back off them.


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    #7873
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,408 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Some guy on the comments is "happy to move to one meter as soon as we have 2 days of no deaths". I would love to hear the science behind that logic.

    No different to Nphet's logic then :pac:


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    #7874
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users Posts: 6,120 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Some guy on the comments is "happy to move to one meter as soon as we have 2 days of no deaths". I would love to hear the science behind that logic.
    Science went out the window a long time ago!
    When you hear stuff such as 'most covid cases go unreported' and '80% of the population COULD be infected' etc etc you know it is a media fear fest!


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    #7875
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,408 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    We'll see how content people are come budget time in October. The very same ones saying it's moving just right or even too fast will be the first to complain when they hear of all the lovely new taxes and deductions introduced to syphon the €350 back off them.

    The figures just don't add up. Donohoe wet blanket is out of his depth, he was ok once the economy was going well and running itself. Hopeless now.
    20% cuts are the order of the day on current figures to welfare and PS pay. And may be conditional on external funding.


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    #7876
    Podge201
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Podge201


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Ivan Yates did a good summation of the population yesterday. When you count all the public sector workers, retirees, long term unemployed, students, those on 350e a week when previously in non fixed employment etc, you are left with 1m people in the private sector who may lose their jobs/businesses and want lockdown to end. That is in line with the results of the survey. People have it too good in this lockdown!
    All he is good at is throwing his toys out of the cot and giving people a dose of the trots.


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    #7877
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    We'll see how content people are come budget time in October. The very same ones saying it's moving just right or even too fast will be the first to complain when they hear of all the lovely new taxes and deductions introduced to syphon the €350 back off them.
    OK the €350 will be classified as personal taxable income. It's not likely to have a profound effect on the Budget. Higher unemployment rates, reduced tax take and a massively expanded HSE budget may.


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    #7878
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,408 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And yet it's not like we haven't been here before. We will get through it, it'll just take a while, maybe quite a while. Once we get to the end of the phases some levels of tax activity should start to slowly return.

    The pain was immeasurable that time. Some people never recovered- how you can be so flippant about it is astounding. De-Nile really is a river in Egypt...


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    #7879
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    We'll see how content people are come budget time in October. The very same ones saying it's moving just right or even too fast will be the first to complain when they hear of all the lovely new taxes and deductions introduced to syphon the €350 back off them.

    Of course there'll be increased taxes and deductions elsewhere, that's how we'll have to pay for all this, along with the rest of the world.

    Nobody asked for a pandemic but that's what we got, we just have to suck it up to find a balance between public and economic health.


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    #7880
    growleaves
    Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves




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    #7881
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    We'll see how content people are come budget time in October. The very same ones saying it's moving just right or even too fast will be the first to complain when they hear of all the lovely new taxes and deductions introduced to syphon the €350 back off them.

    This post.

    You can already see Minister for finance first words "due to GLOBAL PANDEMIC".....


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    #7882
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    road_high wrote: »
    The figures just don't add up. Donohoe wet blanket is out of his depth, he was ok once the economy was going well and running itself. Hopeless now.
    20% cuts are the order of the day on current figures to welfare and PS pay. And may be conditional on external funding.
    Given the huge tranches of cheap external funding available that is not going to be a problem. This is not 2008 Part Deux.


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    #7883
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,408 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Podge201 wrote: »
    All he is good at is throwing his toys out of the cot and giving people a dose of the trots.

    He's telling it how it is. Some of us want to hear the truth, not shoot the messanger. What is inccorect in what he is saying?


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    #7884
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    road_high wrote: »
    The figures just don't add up. Donohoe wet blanket is out of his depth, he was ok once the economy was going well and running itself. Hopeless now.
    20% cuts are the order of the day on current figures to welfare and PS pay. And may be conditional on external funding.

    As much as it pains me to say it after all their hard work during this crisis and continuing work going forward the likes of nurses, doctors, gardai etc are all in line for either pay freezes or pay cuts to some extent. Any ground on pay that was made back since the crash is about to come to a quick halt.

    And it's awful to even think about pay cuts for nurses etc but come October's budget it wouldn't surprise me if its hit. The gap will need to be plugged while reducing borrowing.


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    #7885
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    road_high wrote: »
    The pain was immeasurable that time. Some people never recovered- how you can be so flippant about it is astounding. De-Nile really is a river in Egypt...
    Hmm, poster trapped in 2008 and all the dumb clichés to boot. You really need to come into the twenties. Very different times now.


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    #7886
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Of course there'll be increased taxes and deductions elsewhere, that's how we'll have to pay for all this, along with the rest of the world.

    Nobody asked for a pandemic but that's what we got, we just have to suck it up to find a balance between public and economic health.

    Nobody asked for a pandemic. We asked for a proper response to a pandemic from officials who earn 150,000 + euros a year.

    What did we get? 200,000 people earning MORE on covid 350 a week than BEFORE covid.

    Woops. How did that happen? Idont know, they didnt have much time to think it was urgent. give me a break


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    #7887
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    road_high wrote: »
    He's telling it how it is. Some of us want to hear the truth, not shoot the messanger. What is inccorect in what he is saying?
    And some just want their own world view reinforced.


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    #7888
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    road_high wrote: »
    He's telling it how it is. Some of us want to hear the truth, not shoot the messanger. What is inccorect in what he is saying?

    The fact that there are plenty of people in the category he's hitting out at who would love for the restrictions to ease up as soon as possible.

    There's an element of truth in it but as usual with Yates it's exaggerated to the point of absurdity.


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    #7889
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,408 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And some just want their own world view reinforced.

    Right so you won't tell me any specifics where he is wrong- spell it out to us all.


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    #7890
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,408 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Hmm, poster trapped in 2008 and all the dumb clichés to boot. You really need to come into the twenties. Very different times now.

    The floor is yours- tell us why it's different now?


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    #7891
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Nobody asked for a pandemic. We asked for a proper response to a pandemic from officials who earn 150,000 + euros a year.

    What did we get? 200,000 people earning MORE on covid 350 a week than BEFORE covid.

    Woops. How did that happen? Idont know, they didnt have much time to think it was urgent. give me a break

    You're just annoyed that someone is better off than they were before this.

    That increased spending power during this crisis may have made a huge difference to the impact that this will have over the next few years. If you can look past your jealousy, you might see that.


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