Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

LiquidZeb

Hurrache wrote: »

Apologies, I didn't see you replying to anyone sic thought it was a random post.

It's a **** show of a thread at the best of times so I expect to see everything and anything.

As if you've helped matters.

bb1234567

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Well considering Ireland has a similar age demographic, income level, standard of living and National health service like European countries it's a fair comparison. I saw Sao Paulo on sky news last night and if anyone thinks it's like Ireland they're having themselves on

I know Brazil is not comparable, I didn't say it was. I just posted it because a lot of posters hold the belief that lockdowns as rule of thumb are not necessary to stop the virus, are forced upon unwilling populations who don't want them,that people don't think they are worth the economic impact/job losses, and anyone who is in favour of them only is because of financial gain from the government payments.

In Brazil , the fact that the majority of the population want a lockdown after going through several months of uncontrolled spread, disproves the majority of those theories, I'm sure people won't be on cushy payouts during their time off during a lockdown either over there.

Hurrache

LiquidZeb wrote: »

As if you've helped matters.

You're replying to a post in which I'm mature enough to apologise and acknowledge my mistakes.

Take note and learn from it, it'll be a good life lesson for you.

Hubertj

Hubertj wrote: »

I reckon once a government is formed recommendations of Tony and NPHET will start to get diluted. Current government is afraid to make a mistake, Tony is afraid to make a mistake so both are taking a conservative view. Load of bol*ox

I do believe the reticence to challenge NPHET is largely down to the fact that it is a caretaker government. Fianna Fáil are seriously question things like to 2m and 5k in anticipation of going into government. Sinn Fein are waiting to see what the new governments policy will be so theirs can be the opposite

Goldengirl

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Seriously you're nearly as bad as the ones accusing people of being Gemma fans with this Ron Paul nonsense. Go to the politics forum if you care so much about it.

I have no interest in him, his Institute ..or you,as you have nothing to contribute.. ever!

LiquidZeb

Hurrache wrote: »

You're replying to a post in which I'm mature enough to apologise and acknowledge my mistakes.

Take note and learn from it, it'll be a good life lesson for you.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea Maxima culpa. Will that be 3 hail Marys next?

LiquidZeb

Goldengirl wrote: »

I have no interest in him, his Institute ..or you,as you have nothing to contribute.. ever!

Alright keep hyperventilating in your little corner so I really couldn't care less.

Jackman25

Goldengirl wrote: »

I have no interest in him, his Institute ..or you,as you have nothing to contribute.. ever!

You have embarrassed yourself enough for one night with the neo-nazi nonsense.

stephenjmcd

Hubertj wrote: »

I reckon once a government is formed recommendations of Tony and NPHET will start to get diluted. Current government is afraid to make a mistake, Tony is afraid to make a mistake so both are taking a conservative view. Load of bol*ox

If Micheal Martin is the man in charge after his comments today i wouldn't be surprised to see him challenge the CMO more and make his own decisions.

He seemed fairly intent today on bringing the country in line with the rest of Europe. Now its alot of point scoring but wouldn't put it past him.

They'll take what they can get and come the next election use it as a promotion, the party that opened Ireland back up etc etc

Goldengirl

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Bit ironic considering the poster in question has accused another poster of being a Nazi several times.

I didn't. Go back and read what I said .

Hurrache

Martin hailed as the saviour of the country, no doubt by some of those that vilified him for what they saw was the destruction of our country and society when he brought in the smoking ban, well by those old enough to be of pub going age at the time anyway.

Hurrache

Goldengirl wrote: »

I didn't. Go back and read what I said you plank!

He won't, sure he's evidentialy shown not to be able to understand what he's posted himself earlier today.

growleaves

You know better than anyone else here after all.

Nope.

In March, I just linked to the Oxford University diseases specialists lab report and the University of Mainz professor's testimony and to scientific criticism of the Ferguson report and a few other things. I have a pen-pal friend who was a lecturer of Epidemiology at a UK university, he was also a medical doctor.

If I can link to something that explains what I alluded to I will, cause I'm half-remembering something I read somewhere. I don't claim any background knowledge personally.

There was as many or more expert scientists who disputed the mainstream worst-case scenarios as there were 'official' ones. Ultimately listening to them or not is a matter of discernment rather than an intellectual matter.

I now see it causes many people something almost like physical pain to go against the combination of the Irish government, mainstream international media and governments. Many people were focused on Trump and Johnson who I've hardly payed attention to.

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

If Micheal Martin is the man in charge after his comments today i wouldn't be surprised to see him challenge the CMO more and make his own decisions.

He seemed fairly intent today on bringing the country in line with the rest of Europe. Now its alot of point scoring but wouldn't put it past him

Well Martin comes in for endless criticism but that would be real leadership in my view. Unfortunately the current lad is too busy swanning around Phoenix park and farming out his responsibilities out to an elected board of pen pushers under the illusion of keeping us “safe”. It’s far from good enough, Varadkar thinks he can rest on his laurels now. It’s now the real work and leadership is needed

road_high

Goldengirl wrote: »

I didn't. Go back and read what I said you plank!

Anger issues. Just like minister Harris. You’ll be threatening us all next

LiquidZeb

Hurrache wrote: »

He won't, sure he's evidentialy shown not to be able to understand what he's posted himself earlier today.

I suppose you struggle with numbers when you can't realize 30 deaths out of every grocery worker in America is absolutely non existent so maybe keep the petty digs at a minimum like a good lad.

LiquidZeb

Goldengirl wrote: »

I didn't. Go back and read what I said you plank!

Cool down a bit lovie. You accused him of getting news from neo Nazi sources which is essentially the same thing. Please don't backtrack especially when you have several outbursts to your name already

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

Well Martin comes in for endless criticism but that would be real leadership in my view. Unfortunately the current lad is too busy swanning around Phoenix park and farming out his responsibilities out to an elected board of pen pushers under the illusion of keeping us “safe”. It’s far from good enough, Varadkar thinks he can rest on his laurels now. It’s now the real work and leadership is needed

Look I didn't vote FF but at this stage the country needs a functioning government, so if its FF led for the next few years with Martin getting Taoiseach first then so be it.

Was pretty evident today that the thought process is on a new government, Varadkar referenced it when discussing the €350 saying cutting it back might be a job for the next government.

Now I don't want to derail this thread into politics but from his talking he wants to move along the unlocking of restrictions a bit quicker and he would look like a bit of a gob****e after all this if he couldn't or wouldn't do it if he took office.

Jackman25

Hurrache wrote: »

Martin hailed as the saviour of the country, no doubt by some of those that vilified him for what they saw was the destruction of our country and society when he brought in the smoking ban, well by those old enough to be of pub going age at the time anyway.

You are losing the plot here completely, maybe take a break from the Internet for a few hours.
That is the biggest nonsense on the thread. People that are praising Martin for his comments on the restrictions are "some of those that vilified him for what they saw was the destruction of our country and society when he brought in the smoking ban" - Christ almighty, there is reaching and there is that.

If you had even said people praising him today were likely some of those vilifying FF after the last recession, you might have had some semblance of a point.

Goldengirl

Jackman25 wrote: »

You have embarrassed yourself enough for one night with the neo-nazi nonsense.

You obviously no nothing of that institute or what that senator stands for. Or if you do you should be embarrassed.

RugbyLad11

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No lads, because 100,000 didn’t die, the lockdown was pointless and achieved nothing.

Knowing what we know now worst case would have been 30,000, best case 10,000 without restrictions. With distancing only , best case would have been something like where Sweden are heading at 500 deaths per week.

We did not know that in early March though. And even so, the swedes are now protesting to go onto lockdown
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1287304/sweden-protests-coronavirus-death-toll-herd-immunity-Europe-covid19-news

Protesting? There is about 4 people protesting in the picture haha

Even Gemma got a bigger crowd at her protest's

LiquidZeb

Goldengirl wrote: »

You obviously no nothing of that institute or what that senator stands for. Or if you do you should be embarrassed.

No one gives a **** about Ron Paul. Please stop dragging him up

Goldengirl

road_high wrote: »

Anger issues. Just like minister Harris. You’ll be threatening us all next

I leave that to you and your rants .

Hurrache

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Cool down a bit lovie.

Who wouldn't have seen such an impotent response to someone with a user name implying the person is a woman.

I guarantee you wouldn't try that sexist **** with someone with a different user name, nor a woman outside of the internet. An absolute pathetic person to use such a phrase.

RugbyLad11

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Protesting? There is about 4 people protesting in the picture haha

Even Gemma got a bigger crowd at her protest's

Only so many can fit in the shot when they are social distancing

Point still stands, swedes are not happy with how things are progressing

ZX7R

stephenjmcd wrote: »

If Micheal Martin is the man in charge after his comments today i wouldn't be surprised to see him challenge the CMO more and make his own decisions.

He seemed fairly intent today on bringing the country in line with the rest of Europe. Now its alot of point scoring but wouldn't put it past him

Interestingly in the dail today when leo was questioned about the covid payment been adjusted,he replied that will be for the new government to decide.
Even the two meters thing is to go before cabinet on Friday I would not be surprised to see it changed as it has very little support in government and opposition.
Looking at the time scale of our road map to open up it, you would have to wonder if it had in some way been enacted to give time for a new government to be formed.

LiquidZeb

Hurrache wrote: »

Who wouldn't have seen such an impotent response to someone with a user name implying the person is a woman.

I guarantee you wouldn't try that sexist **** with someone with a different user name, nor a woman outside of the internet. An absolute pathetic person to use such a phrase.

It was used generally but considering you insulted me first and earlier called someone a Nazi you're one to go getting offended.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

Only so many can fit in the shot when they are social distancing

Point still stands, swedes are not happy with how things are progressing

Well 4 of them anyway.

growleaves

From the Express article linked above:

Mirrey Gourie, who set up a memorial outside the country’s parliament after her father died of COVID-19, said: “Why didn't they protect the citizens by closing the borders, by protecting the people against the epidemic?"

Sweden's strategy has seen bars, restaurants, hairdressers and schools remain open to the public.

Can't help noticing she's asking about borders. She's not asked "Why didn't they protect the citizens by closing bars, restaurants and hairdressers?"

Some of our pro-restrictions posters defended bringing in 189 Bulgarian fruit-pickers and keeping our borders open generally. But hey if the government says movement as defined globalist ideology should be specially exempt from the restrictions who are we to argue right?

Hurrache

LiquidZeb wrote: »

It was used generally but considering you insulted me first and earlier called someone a Nazi you're one to go getting offended.

It wasn't, you knew what you were at, pathetic.

We crossed swords plenty of times and you didn't try once to call me lovie, 'generally', once. What a joke to claim otherwise, a shambles to use it, nevermind try explain its use away.

And another prime example of your comprehension issues, or wilful inability to actually read. None of what you claim has anything to do with me.