Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

SEPT 23 1989

SusieBlue wrote: »

Sad to see another local (to me) business announcing closure.
I know the topic of hairdressers is ever sensitive around these parts, but this salon owner said she had an engineer assess their premises to see how they could operate with social distancing in place after July 20th.

In order to abide by government guidelines, they would have to reduce their amount of chairs from 10 to 2, meaning they could only ever have 2 staff working at any one time and letting the remainder of the staff go.

In order to break even on her running costs she would have to work an 84 hour week, which isn’t sustainable or practical for her as a single mother.

Very sad to see and probably the first of many. Buildings weren’t designed & business plans weren’t made with social distancing in mind, and quite a lot of them simply won’t be able to operate with these new rules in place. It won’t be worth their while.

No small business public on premises can turn a profit now

That's why we are in the worst recession since the foundation of the state

road_high

Penfailed wrote: »

So you're going to spend your money elsewhere to spite the Irish economy? ...or were you going on holiday this year anyway?

Well seen as you can’t spend it here outside 5 km...what else would you suggest? Tent in the back garden?

Micky 32

Penfailed wrote: »

So you're going to spend your money elsewhere to spite the Irish economy? ...or were you going on holiday this year anyway?

Or maybe he made a decision that he’d like to visit those countries. Who the hell are you to tell him where he should and shouldn’t go...

road_high

SusieBlue wrote: »

Sad to see another local (to me) business announcing closure.
I know the topic of hairdressers is ever sensitive around these parts, but this salon owner said she had an engineer assess their premises to see how they could operate with social distancing in place after July 20th.

In order to abide by government guidelines, they would have to reduce their amount of chairs from 10 to 2, meaning they could only ever have 2 staff working at any one time and letting the remainder of the staff go.

In order to break even on her running costs she would have to work an 84 hour week, which isn’t sustainable or practical for her as a single mother.

Very sad to see and probably the first of many. Buildings weren’t designed & business plans weren’t made with social distancing in mind, and quite a lot of them simply won’t be able to operate with these new rules in place. It won’t be worth their while.

So sad to see this ladies business and all our staff thrown on the scrap heap by ridiculous bureaucracy and idiotic (Lack of) governance. Really annoyed to see these people suffer. Not a single public service job was lost....

VonLuck

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Cracks starting to appear now

A consultant doctor on the State's Covid-19 Expert Advisory Group (EAG) has said that the two-metre distancing guideline is "paralysing the country" and that students are being "unfairly compromised" by the continued closure of schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2020/0528/1143259-two-metre-rule-paralysing-country-expert-group-member/

The main problem with the 2m rule is that it's in place because people treat it as 1m. If they said 1m, everyone would be practically standing face to face thinking they are complying.

The knock on effect is that it's impacting businesses where 1m is more logical and enforceable.

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Micky 32 wrote: »

Or maybe he made a decision that he’d like to visit those countries. Who the hell are you to tell him where he should and shouldn’t go...

The worst kind of Karens. Country is full to overflowing with these sad curtain twitchers unfortunately

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VonLuck wrote: »

The main problem with the 2m rule is that it's in place because people treat it as 1m. If they said 1m, everyone would be practically standing face to face thinking they are complying.

The knock on effect is that it's impacting businesses where 1m is more logical and enforceable.

Rubbish. Everywhere I’ve been to lots of places and it’s 2m marked allover the floors. Not 1 m

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

Well seen as you can’t spend it here outside 5 km...what else would you suggest? Tent in the back garden?

He's not going until next month. It'll be 20km then...but yeah everyone up in arms on here about the damage being done to the Irish economy and then bragging about spending their money in foreign climes. It's a great look.

Penfailed

Micky 32 wrote: »

Or maybe he made a decision that he’d like to visit those countries. Who the hell are you to tell him where he should and shouldn’t go...

I'm not telling him where he should or shouldn't go. Just don't post about the damage being done to the Irish economy and then boast about spending your money elsewhere.

VonLuck

road_high wrote: »

Rubbish. Everywhere I’ve been to lots of places and it’s 2m marked allover the floors. Not 1 m

I'm saying the general public, not businesses.

lukas8888

fr336 wrote: »

It's like kids waiting for Christmas this is. Is not dying not a good enough reason to WAIT? Enjoy the rest of 2020. There will be more sunny days. There will be more bank holidays. I shudder to think how the west would do in a war these days.

I certainly am thankful we are not facing a war,with the minority of doomsday posters on this thread i would hate to have them backing me up coming out of the trenches.The war would be long over before they would go over the top.

Irish Aris

Penfailed wrote: »

He's not going until next month. It'll be 20km then...but yeah everyone up in arms on here about the damage being done to the Irish economy and then bragging about spending their money in foreign climes. It's a great look.

but 20 km won't take you very far anyway + hotels won't reopen until the 20th of July, right?
So it is only logical that some people will try to go to other countries for holidays before that.

Ginger n Lemon

Irish Aris wrote: »

but 20 km won't take you very far anyway + hotels won't reopen until the 20th of July, right?
So it is only logical that some people will try to go to other countries for holidays before that.

Not to mention if IKEA and homeware stores anything to go by then even hotels could be delayed until 10th of Aug should Tony H hear that there is a mad rush to get a nice 2 night getaway.

Spanish Eyes

We need an Irish Amazon, where indigenous businesses who sell in shops etc. can reach out to those who want to buy their products. Online shopping is the way of the future now.

Doesn't have to be Amazon either, just get your online shop out there.

Idbatterim

This two meter bull****. I'll give people as wide a birth as reasonably possible. If its down to one meter officially, I'll still give as wide a birth as reasonably possible! Its just common sense! Do the public here want the government to sing them to sleep and wipe their arse too? Wtf! This uber nanny state from government and a lot of our fellow sheep obviously want it, is disgusting!

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

Well i live near a large coastal town and the Gardai have pretty much given up trying to stop people from entering.

The weather is just too nice and people are willing to take a chance at this stage.

I went further than 5km to meet a good friend in her garden for coffee. We sat apart and chatted for about 3 hours! It was fabulous. I went swimming later, beach 4km from my house, I don’t remember when I last saw the beach so busy ......No Gardai anywhere !

Great to see people out in the fresh air enjoying themselves.

Tomorrow I’m heading to the mountains for another hike. We are being treated like fools , France back in action as is most of Europe !

road_high

lukas8888 wrote: »

I certainly am thankful we are not facing a war,with the minority of doomsday posters on this thread i would hate to have them backing me up coming out of the trenches.The war would be long over before they would go over the top.

Yes I could just imagine all the curtain twitchers selling their grannies to the enemy if it meant they could get ahead... same sad fcuks that cleared the shelves last March

SusieBlue

The businesses in our towns & cities may not all be Irish owned but they do employ Irish people who live locally and will spend their wages locally, pumping money back into the local economy.

While I wholeheartedly support online businesses at this time, and particularly Irish based ones, we need these chains to stay open so that they continue to employ local people.
Shopping online is only really of benefit to those who work in the warehouse/head office.

Pre corona I used to order online from River Island, Topshop etc quite a bit because they do free delivery but after this I’ll be making more of an effort to go into my local store to buy.

Idbatterim

I was up in Sandyford business park earlier, some massive units with closed retailers , where you can keep large distances from others, unlike grocery retailers where many people on top of each other. Watching tonight show now, they are talking about the huge implications this will have on cancer patients and those that dont even know they have it yet. The man on now is going to town on hse incompetence and how poorly things here are run. Rte wouldn't allow that, they'd cut him off

JRant

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Yes I know this. Tail wagging dog comes to mind. Holohan is in charge really because there is no REAL Government anymore, just a collection of Ministers and a lame duck Taoiseach. I get it.

Still, things are opening up re visiting people and places whether they like it or not.

Kinda hard to keep people down forever. I get that. But still... a bit of caution might be warranted to see how things go elsewhere. Just me, and I hope you all enjoy the BH weekend.

Caution is definitely still warranted but people should be allowed the freedom to make decisions for themselves as well. Wear a mask if you want, don't visit busy places if you're uncomfortable doing it, keep the hand hygiene going. All practical measures that allows the country and it's people to keep back to the business of living their lives again.

Have a great weekend too.

I do think more and more policitians, economists and business owners and industry leaders are shouting for quicker easing of restrictions.

Jim O Callaghan FF on Ivan Yates Tonight Show in a few minutes calling on Govt to ease restrictions sooner . Keep up the pressure !

gral6

Simon Harris said that the Public Health Emergency Team met to continue monitoring virus & in advance of recommendations next week on next phase with our roadmap. Our actions over these days matter. Please stick to the advice & let’s make more progress.

There is no guarantee that the move to the next phase would be approved next week. We are not there yet.

SusieBlue

gral6 wrote: »

Simon Harris said that the Public Health Emergency Team met to continue monitoring virus & in advance of recommendations next week on next phase with our roadmap. Our actions over these days matter. Please stick to the advice & let’s make more progress.

There is no guarantee that the move to the next phase would be approved next week. We are not there yet.

How aren’t we there yet? What criteria do we need to meet to get to wherever that is?

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I do think more and more policitians, economists and business owners and industry leaders are shouting for quicker easing of restrictions.

Jim O Callaghan FF on Ivan Yates Tonight Show in a few minutes calling on Govt to ease restrictions sooner . Keep up the pressure !

Peter Bourke from FG getting hammered here from all angles on the tonight show

RobitTV

If they can't guarantee moving to phase two, which is just further continuation of the lockdown measures, how will they ever come close to moving to phase four and five? without all of them squabbling amongst themselves and causing a drama over nothing.

You can go 20km on phase two but the country will still be on lockdown.

Edgar Morgenroth Prof of Economics was actually laughing at Peter Burke FG for insisting on staying within these restrictions ! Morgenroth stated NO other country is as slow as us ! While everyone is in recession now, all other EU countries have been quicker out of the traps than us ........and most of those countries were hit worse by Covid. They will all recover much more quickly . We need to export , that’s what our economy is based on . We can do nothing while these restrictions are in place !

stephenjmcd

gral6 wrote: »

Simon Harris said that the Public Health Emergency Team met to continue monitoring virus & in advance of recommendations next week on next phase with our roadmap. Our actions over these days matter. Please stick to the advice & let’s make more progress.

There is no guarantee that the move to the next phase would be approved next week. We are not there yet.

We've been told that for the last month now, every week. What the fcuk does we're not there yet even mean when we've not been told where there is

Assetbacked

We are staying in lockdown and easing gradually in order to spread out the number of infections, not to eradicate the virus. All we really want is to keep the infections at a level where the hospitalised cases can be managed, that is what we were told. This has happened, now we are easing out and reducing the oppressive steps taken initially. However, I don't believe there is any other outcome in the next few months but that everything will be back to normal. For two reasons;

1. Social distancing is a load of arse. It is ridiculous and absurd for people to think that is how things will get back to normal. There is absolutely no practicality in implementing it constantly for the public to go about their business whether it be shopping, socialising, sport etc. Businesses looking to get into providing social distancing assistance tools really won't have too long of a window to make some money from it so best not get too comfortable pivoting into the area.

2. Following this train of thought, then what might stop us getting back to normal? No vaccine and not killing the virus? The virus won't be eradicated without a very extreme worldwide lockdown for months which won't happen. Also there may not be enough people to test a vaccine on, if there was even a chance of discovering one anyway.

The HorsesMouth

gral6 wrote: »

Simon Harris said that the Public Health Emergency Team met to continue monitoring virus & in advance of recommendations next week on next phase with our roadmap. Our actions over these days matter. Please stick to the advice & let’s make more progress.

There is no guarantee that the move to the next phase would be approved next week. We are not there yet.

You say we are not there yet....Where is there?

You can be guaranteed we are moving to the next phase....europe eating out and going back to school while we languish within 5km? Not happening.

gral6

gral6 wrote: »

Simon Harris said that the Public Health Emergency Team met to continue monitoring virus & in advance of recommendations next week on next phase with our roadmap. Our actions over these days matter. Please stick to the advice & let’s make more progress.

There is no guarantee that the move to the next phase would be approved next week. We are not there yet.

We are not where ?? What’s the goal here? We were told to flatten the curve , we did !