Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Naos

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/enough-is-enough-we-must-get-people-back-to-work-to-end-economic-genocide-39198882.html

Imagine being Irish living in the Czech Republic going through all of this and then you hear the pubs are open.

You rush down, excited, eagerly anticipating your first fresh pint in months and then.. you get served that.

growleaves

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/0512/1137905-galway/

Cal4567

is_that_so wrote: »

He has a different perspective being a doctor and caution would be the default position. He also understands the advice.

If I am really honest, I haven't ever taken to Varadkar but yes, the fact he is a doctor and understands the medical issues gives me confidence compared to having a billionaire leader whose motives are as much around their loss of personal income as it is the health and wellbeing of their citizens.

Ginger n Lemon

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/enough-is-enough-we-must-get-people-back-to-work-to-end-economic-genocide-39198882.html

I like this. This is the sort of thing 80% of posters in this thread would be thinking to themselves today

"But the time has surely come to say enough is enough. We need to get the country back off its knees and back to work, to socialise, to communicate like normal people and, essentially, to get back to living."

PowerToWait

PowerToWait wrote: »

It absolutely assuages any fears I might have had that a complete nobody on the internet assures me things will be just fine.

Thank you so much.

There are some people who will never accept it is safe to be in a crowded room again, even if a vaccine is rolled out some time in the next 18 months. Some will always feel under personal threat if they are within 2 metres of another human being.

Whatever about covid19 and the economic recession, both of which will pass, Social-Distancing-Anxiety as a psychological condition is here to stay.

Stark

tobefrank321 wrote: »

No human coronavirus vaccine has ever been developed and the bovine coronavirus vaccine is a weakened live virus vaccine which is unsuitable for those most likely to get severe coronavirus symptoms such as having weak immune systems.

Sounds better than nothing tbh. The young and healthy could take the weakened virus vaccine and then go out and live life without worrying about catching something and bringing it back home to Granny.

Deleted User wrote: »

There are some people who will never accept it is safe to be in a crowded room again, even if a vaccine is rolled out some time in the next 18 months. Some will always feel under personal threat if they are within 2 metres of another human being.

Whatever about covid19 and the economic recession, both of which will pass, Social-Distancing-Anxiety as a psychological condition is here to stay.

Was reading this article in the NY times. Gave me some hope that at least the hysteria won't be forever : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/health/coronavirus-plague-pandemic-history.html

According to historians, pandemics typically have two types of endings: the medical, which occurs when the incidence and death rates plummet, and the social, when the epidemic of fear about the disease wanes.

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/0512/1137905-galway/

A group of people living in a "collective residence", believing rules don't apply to them, that their non essential "business" can carry on as normal, friends can travel from other areas and that local roads can be used for sulky racing. And to top it all off a number in their community have tested positive for the virus, but they still believe they should be allowed to continue as normal

hmmm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I love these attacks on me once in a while. Anti-vaxxer etc.

"Vaccines are harmful. They tend to be more harmful than the disease they are suppose to prevent." Ginger n Lemon.

setanta1984

Deleted User wrote: »

There are some people who will never accept it is safe to be in a crowded room again, even if a vaccine is rolled out some time in the next 18 months. Some will always feel under personal threat if they are within 2 metres of another human being.

Whatever about covid19 and the economic recession, both of which will pass, Social-Distancing-Anxiety as a psychological condition is here to stay.

I don't think so tbh. We're still being forced to restrict our existence right now, but as soon as things start getting opened up and normality starts to reappear, people will revert to old ways a lot sooner than you might think. The rest of the continent is already seeing this, we will too if our government ever gets around to leaving us to.

The hysteria will be evident in all the extra measures authorities will impose when things reopen initially, but I think as the weeks go on and the sky doesn't fall in, peoples behaviours will gradually go back to what they were, as will the physical environments of places like offices and (in my opinion) even pubs and restaurants.

Like the lockdown itself, the level of paranoia and fear has a shelf life.
Just my opinion.

Stheno

growleaves wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/0512/1137905-galway/

Dont tell me, ( the article doesn't say it) were the protestors from a certain ethnic group?

niallo27

Naos wrote: »

Imagine being Irish living in the Czech Republic going through all of this and then you hear the pubs are open.

You rush down, excited, eagerly anticipating your first fresh pint in months and then.. you get served that.

I wouldn't give a **** this stage if they served it to me an homeless mans shoe i would still drink it.

tobefrank321

niallo27 wrote: »

I wouldn't give a **** this stage if they served it to me an homeless mans shoe i would still drink it.

You ok there? Really missing the pub at this stage aren't you

the kelt

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Newstalk

Our friend Tony wont be making face masks mandatory in public.

On Ryanair flights masks + temperature checks before boarding will be necessary.

Some crazy survey from GAA club member association says players dont want to return to action until a vaccine is found.

Oh boy.

I think you have the figures wrong in regards to the GAA survey. All the questions were based on no vaccine in place.

Only 22% said they wouldnt return in 2020, 21% said they didnt know but 57% said they would.

Its important to note also that there was only just over 3000 responses to the survey.

There were other questions in regards to attending club and intercounty matches etc etc.

Im not sure if relations between the GAA and the government would be the best over this pandemic.

is_that_so

lord quackinton wrote: »

the government lock down policy is so the health system does not collapse.
our hospitals and state nursing homes are so poorly run and funded we are told we could not have done the Swedish way.
i think the 3 names above are covering their own asses

Yeah, that's well-known and they've generally done that well but what exactly should they be doing about the flaws in the middle of a pandemic? Hospitals have done very well and quite a few nursing homes have shown themselves to be up to scratch

LiquidZeb

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Not at all.

I just find it odd that GAA players are wiling to wait for 3- 5 years before playing as vaccines need to be tested etc over some period of time. Assuming such vaccine will be developed in the first place (no human coronavirus vaccine has ever been developed in the past)

You are correct about Ryanair, doesnt seem like mask will be "mandatory"

RYANAIR RECOMMENDS WEARING FACE MASKS ON PLANES

Irish budget airline Ryanair is to recommend that all passengers wear face masks on board when it reopens 40 percent of its route network on July 1, the company announced today, according to Reuters.

Why do people keep bringing up the fact that there's never been a coronavirus vaccine developed before? The reason is there's never been the need. There was one for SARS being developed but it was scrapped after the virus died out. Stop being so hysterical about the vaccine.

tobefrank321

tobefrank321 wrote: »

No human coronavirus vaccine has ever been developed and the bovine coronavirus vaccine is a weakened live virus vaccine which is unsuitable for those most likely to get severe coronavirus symptoms such as having weak immune systems.

Gaelic footballers should be fine if they contract covid 19 as they are young and fit, but obviously its friends and family with underlying conditions they need to fear spreading it to.

And what's the point of sport without spectators you'd wonder. At this stage spectator sport is a luxury and will probably reopen last if at all.

You do realise that the bovine coronavirus vaccine is for..... cows?







It's also a different coronavirus than SARS-CoV-2.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

You do realise that the bovine coronavirus vaccine is for..... cows?







It's also a different coronavirus than SARS-CoV-2.

His point still stands - a vaccine has been created for a coronavirus, and because its possible in cows it should be possible in humans, we are all just mammals and the mechanisms are the same

tobefrank321

Deleted User wrote: »

You do realise that the bovine coronavirus vaccine is for..... cows?

:rolleyes:

I clearly said no human coronavirus has been developed so how you think I implied a bovine vaccine would work in humans is beyond me.

Can you point to me any successful long term human coronavirus vaccine which has worked in a large number of people? We are in new territory and with that, there are no guarantees of anything.

Uncertainty is a huge factor in all this.

FintanMcluskey

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/enough-is-enough-we-must-get-people-back-to-work-to-end-economic-genocide-39198882.html

Every day that passes more and more voices are finding different ways to decribe whats looming. Economic Genocide is a new one!!!
Its so demoralising to see the picture in the heading of the return of normality to Europe 2-3 months before Ireland

growleaves

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/06/850454989/eerie-emptiness-of-ers-worries-doctors-where-are-the-heart-attacks-and-strokes?t=1589296631529

FintanMcluskey

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I love these attacks on me once in a while. Anti-vaxxer etc.

Harsh. But I am ok as I know pro economic brigade got my back.

I agree, GAA players are in a predicament, they dont really get paid that much, so they have very little incentive to accept additional covid risk if they live with people who are at risk groups.

I think what will happen is mass testing will be rolled out, the sort of testing that gives you results in a matter of hours and then they ll proceed to play if they test negative. (sometime towards end of this year)

If GAA players have such fear motivated by complications from Covid 19, but would happily get shouldered by Paudie Maher and take their chances, somebody needs to explain the facts about Coivd to them

FintanMcluskey

growleaves wrote: »

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/06/850454989/eerie-emptiness-of-ers-worries-doctors-where-are-the-heart-attacks-and-strokes?t=1589296631529

Cant die of anything only "Covid" Growleaves, everybody knows that by now!

growleaves

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Every day that passes more and more voices are finding different ways to decribe whats looming. Economic Genocide is a new one!!!
Its so demoralising to see the picture in the heading of the return of normality to Europe 2-3 months before Ireland

Tbh I'm relieved that the world lockdown is ending most of all because the biggest risk is to highly-complex worldwide systems of food production and chains of distribution.

It sounds like scaremongering but isn't. If we suffer no food shortages we will have dodged a bullet without knowing it.

Famines in Africa which were predicted by the WFP may be starting within weeks.

tobefrank321

tobefrank321 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I clearly said no human coronavirus has been developed so how you think I implied a bovine vaccine would work in humans is beyond me.

Can you point to me any successful human coronavirus vaccine? We are in new territory and with that, there are no guarantees of anything.

Uncertainty is a huge factor in all this.

"No human coronavirus vaccine has ever been developed and the bovine coronavirus vaccine is a weakened live virus vaccine which is unsuitable for those most likely to get severe coronavirus symptoms such as having weak immune systems."

You are suggesting using the bovine coronavirus vaccine would be unsuitable for people with weak immune systems.....

Looney1

Germany triples new cases in one day after easing restrictions last week

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/06/850454989/eerie-emptiness-of-ers-worries-doctors-where-are-the-heart-attacks-and-strokes?t=1589296631529

This is the biggest issue at that has occurred as a consequence of how the health emergency has been messaged worldwide. We have made people afraid to see necessary medical attention. There has been 60% reduction in PCI procedures worldwide. Do we think arteries aren't blocking? Major heart attacks with consequent long term damage / deaths are being stored up for the future

tobefrank321

Deleted User wrote: »

"No human coronavirus vaccine has ever been developed and the bovine coronavirus vaccine is a weakened live virus vaccine which is unsuitable for those most likely to get severe coronavirus symptoms such as having weak immune systems."

You are suggesting using the bovine coronavirus vaccine would be unsuitable for people with weak immune systems.....

Well what I meant to say is a weakened live virus vaccine is generally considered unsafe for those with weakened immune systems.

I can see how you might interpret it the other way, but its not what I meant.

Looney1

Looney1 wrote: »

Germany triples new cases in one day after easing restrictions last week

933 reported cases today - 1158 on Friday. Is just the weekend lag

NH2013

Looney1 wrote: »

Germany triples new cases in one day after easing restrictions last week

To be expected as measures are lifted, as long as the growth is manageable though then they're doing alright, we can't expect to lift measures and not see an increase in cases or an increase in the R0, but as long as the R0 remains below or about 1 they'll still be doing fine.

What was the % increase as a % of their total cases?

Like for us if we got 30 cases today and 90 tomorrow you could say they've tripled overnight but as a % of total cases both numbers are still quite managable.

frillyleaf

Looney1 wrote: »

Germany triples new cases in one day after easing restrictions last week

They can manage triple the case load