Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

FintanMcluskey

wakka12 wrote: »

Yes, it seems like those measures would have done the job at least in less urbanised places like Ireland and Sweden. But what does it matter now, the whole world is in a ****ty economic situation, Sweden just as much so

So should we wait until July 20th to get a haircut?

Deeper Blue

Is there seriously still a question as to whether "Phase 1" will start on Monday??

Utter insanity

Gael23

I’m sure Holohan will find some reason not to give the go ahead

Blaze420

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m sure Holohan will find some reason not to give the go ahead

Would be pointless at this stage regardless of intentions - time's up. There won't be any public compliance or buy in for any further delays.

vid36

Every medical expert around the world agrees there will a second wave in the autumn/ winter, the economy is not going to keep rolling once you reach a certain level of infection.Look at what is happening in the meat factories right now.There are many vulnerable people in Ireland under 65, we are a less healthy population than Sweden. More people with lung conditions, more people with blood pressure, more people with with High BMI, more people with diabetes etc.

Gael23

Blaze420 wrote: »

Would be pointless at this stage regardless of intentions - time's up. There won't be any public compliance or buy in for any further delays.

That’s very true. Do we know what the criteria is to move between phases. For instance if there’s 1 extra person in hospital at the end of phase one and and a slightly higher percentage of new cases

Blaze420

Gael23 wrote: »

That’s very true. Do we know what the criteria is to move between phases. For instance if there’s 1 extra person in hospital at the end of phase one and and a slightly higher percentage of new cases

Nobody knows that, Tony makes the rules up as he goes along.

I'd assume it will be based on deaths/infections going downwards over a period or having to be at a certain point for a specific duration before we can move to next stage.

FishOnABike

uli84 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138100-hiqa-coronavirus-review/

Well well well Evidence suggests children not contributing significantly to spread of Covid-19 - HIQA

They can hardly contribute significantly to the spread of CoViD-19 when they have been stuck at home for the last ten weeks.

It's about as useful as stating stampeding hippos are not contributing significantly to pedestrian injuries crossing the street in Dublin.

Breezin

FishOnABike wrote: »

stampeding hippos

Speak for your own kids! :pac:

iamwhoiam

FishOnABike wrote: »

They can hardly contribute significantly to the spread of CoViD-19 when they have been stuck at home for the last ten weeks.

It's about as useful as stating stampeding hippos are not contributing significantly to pedestrian injuries crossing the street in Dublin.

The survey was done when children were still in school .

Ginger n Lemon

wakka12 wrote: »

Yes, it seems like those measures would have done the job at least in less urbanised places like Ireland and Sweden. But what does it matter now, the whole world is in a ****ty economic situation, Sweden just as much so

This is just false.

Sweden dont have 28% unemployment. They dont borrow/ need to borrow. They wont increase taxes in their next budget nor retirement age like we will.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/sweden/2020-05-12/swedens-coronavirus-strategy-will-soon-be-worlds

Below is real, and Sweden will NOT experience this, not even 1/5th.

"It should already be obvious, however, that the economic and social costs of lockdowns are enormous: estimates from the OECD suggest that every month of pandemic-related restrictions will shrink the economies of advanced countries by two percent. France, Germany, Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States, according to the OECD, will see their economies shrink by more than 25 percent within a year. Unemployment is rising to levels unheard of since the 1930s—fueling political backlash and deepening social divisions."

vid36

vid36 wrote: »

Every medical expert around the world agrees there will a second wave in the autumn/ winter, the economy is not going to keep rolling once you reach a certain level of infection.Look at what is happening in the meat factories right now.There are many vulnerable people in Ireland under 65, we are a less healthy population than Sweden. More people with lung conditions, more people with blood pressure, more people with with High BMI, more people with diabetes etc.

If there are so many vulnerable people under 65, why are there not much more deaths. Less than 100 people under 65 have died.

I wouldn't believe every "experts" opinions. They've been very wrong so far.

Do you have sources to suggest we are less healthy than Swedish people?

Speakerboxx

Trades all back today with cement and gravel trucks all over the road. Fair play to them. Restrictions are coming to an end whether the govt like it or not.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

If there are so many vulnerable people under 65, why are there not much more deaths. Less than 100 people under 65 have died.

I wouldn't believe every "experts" opinions. They've been very wrong so far.

Do you have sources to suggest we are less healthy than Swedish people?

They have ignored the fact about 2million inhabitants in Sweden are over 65 vs 700k in Ireland.
Seemingly the irish are fat hippos now

bloodless_coup

You'd have to laugh at the people going around with facemasks on out on thier walks or in supermarkets. Loons.

Colibri

Revealed: The letter which proves tensions between health bosses


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-the-letter-which-proves-tensions-between-health-bosses-39206430.html

marno21

bloodless_coup wrote: »

You'd have to laugh at the people going around with facemasks on out on thier walks or in supermarkets. Loons.

You have to laugh at the people out on walks with masks on. Who goes for a walk to get some fresh air and spends the entire time breathing through a mask?

Some people are starting to lose the plot over this.

Ginger n Lemon

Colibri wrote: »

Revealed: The letter which proves tensions between health bosses


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-the-letter-which-proves-tensions-between-health-bosses-39206430.html

How do we do it? how do we have such incompetence in decision making capacity??

"The row centred on the NPHET’s announcement in the middle of April that Covid-19 testing would be expanded to 100,000 tests per week, on a seven-day week basis for a minimum of six months. The move was announced without clearance from HSE, which carries out the testing."

NPHET should be disbanded today. by midnight. absolutely useless and out of touch.

Ginger n Lemon

marno21 wrote: »

You have to laugh at the people out on walks with masks on. Who goes for a walk to get some fresh air and spends the entire time breathing through a mask?

Some people are starting to lose the plot over this.

Agreed. sets a very bad example for children, who are already suffering pretty badly, socially and in terms of education.

Whiplash85

Does anyone know if the €3.20 cost of working from home daily allowance that employers can pay to employees can be claimed back by the employer?

Thanks in advance

hmmm

vid36 wrote: »

Protect lives and the economy. Implement the full South Korean approach of digital tracking and tracing. It appears we are not going to do this and as a result when the second waves hits, we will be unprepared again and forced into emergency measures.

Can you explain what you mean by "digital tracking and tracing".

Do you want everyone to carry some sort of tracking device? This is an interesting approach, how would you go about enforcing this? Will the device have some sort of thermometer built in to detect fevers?

Colibri

bloodless_coup wrote: »

You'd have to laugh at the people going around with facemasks on out on thier walks or in supermarkets. Loons.

Why? On walks I understand but in supermarkets it's a good idea.

It's a sensible precaution to take. It's respiratory hygeine.

marno21

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Agreed. sets a very bad example for children, who are already suffering pretty badly, socially and in terms of education.

Lots of bad examples being set for children at the minute

Ginger n Lemon

Colibri wrote: »

Why? On walks I understand but in supermarkets it's a good idea.

It's a sensible precaution to take. It's respiratory hygeine.

Because of below:

"Henning Bundgaard, Professor in Cardiology at Copenhagen University, who is conducting a trial on the efficacy of face masks, told The Local that he believed Denmark was right to exercise caution.

"No one has any documentation that face masks outside hospitals work at all," he said. "And I think it is rational to provide this documentation before we demand that people need to wear masks out in the open."

Perhaps the biggest issue, he added, was that masks might create a sense of false security.

"If you feel safe, you might change your behaviour, maybe you get closer to people and maybe you don't wash your hands so often," he said. "So the achievement might be none, or you might be worse off in fact."

facehugger99

marno21 wrote: »

You have to laugh at the people out on walks with masks on. Who goes for a walk to get some fresh air and spends the entire time breathing through a mask?

Some people are starting to lose the plot over this.

I saw a guy driving a car with a mask on the other day.

The fcukin' loons we have living in the country.

Colibri

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Because of below:

"Henning Bundgaard, Professor in Cardiology at Copenhagen University, who is conducting a trial on the efficacy of face masks, told The Local that he believed Denmark was right to exercise caution.

"No one has any documentation that face masks outside hospitals work at all," he said. "And I think it is rational to provide this documentation before we demand that people need to wear masks out in the open."

Perhaps the biggest issue, he added, was that masks might create a sense of false security.

"If you feel safe, you might change your behaviour, maybe you get closer to people and maybe you don't wash your hands so often," he said. "So the achievement might be none, or you might be worse off in fact."

I do agree with many of your points here but I just can't get behind this one.

Face coverings have shown to block outgoing respiratory droplets. The less of these are blocked the better. Lots of health bodies, scientists & medical experts, over 70 governments and real world data all point towards the efficacy of face masking. There are no randomised control trials but they would be welcome.

It's just one measure amount others such as hand washing and not touching your face.

https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

I saw a guy driving a car with a mask on the other day.

The fcukin' loons we have living in the country.

Was just about to post the exact same. Comprehend this
-middle aged woman driving a car with a mask on.
-finishes shopping after blocking entrance talking tripe to another middle aged woman
-get back in car and procedes to polish steering wheel with some sort of spray and wipes even though she was the last one driving it.
I found the whole experience bizzare tbh

bloodless_coup

Good man Ivan.

Clonmel1000

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Good man Ivan.

What did he say today?

Breezin

I also see today that the oldies-only at lunchtime rule in our local park was being openly - and properly - flouted by all and sundry.
Young, old and in-between social distancing (mostly) on a quite beautiful day in May.