Britain commemorating VE day

Ultrflat

My mum and dad are english, some of the family had people die in the war. We always remember them, 3 of my grandads brothers were killed in Tobruc.

The other side of the family were all mine sweepers as they grew up on the water and where sons of fishermen and knew the local waters.
I remember them simply because its part of my family's tradition.

it's an incredibly emotional time for family who lost love ones for both sides of the familys. I've friends who where German who talk about their granddads surrendering to allied forces and being happy about it.

TheBoyConor

Drifter50 wrote: »

There is so much more to this and it is important especially for the thousands of sons, daughters, relations whose family members were lost in the war. Both my parents were Irish and joined the British Armed Forces.
...........Poppies are a major event for me in November and will remain so. It will be interesting to see the level of respect shown by the Americans for VJ day in a few weeks

If it bothers you leave it alone for everyone else and let them mark it in their own way. Just remember if it was`nt for the British sacrifices and standing firm against the Nazi`s, we might all be still under authoritarian rule

It's your own perogative if you want to be a West Brit. Go right ahead. But don't expect to get any thanks for it here.

But how do you, as an "Irish" reconcile all you've said all that you have said and your gra for Sasana with the fact that it was those same poppy wearing British that oppressed the Irish nation for over 800 years, inflicted a number of genocides and kept us from having any sort of religious or political liberty?
Perhaps you are not as Irish as your claim? Might you be Anglo Irish by any chance with that sort of mindset?

As far as I'm concerned, and I think a lot of people would agree, the British and in particular the English, got their just deserts in WWII for the centuries of persecution and oppression that they inflicted on Ireland and other countries around the world. I'd not have much sympathy.

With only 20 years between the conflicts, we must remember that many of the Black n Tans, and their ilk, probably also fought in WWII. So think twice before you commemorate them as you are also commemorating the black and trans.
And remember, this is also the same army that murdered, tortured and persecuted thousands in the occupied 6 and continues to do so to this day.

Irish people who wear poppies don't deserve to call themselves irish.

Even after the war when Irish people went to England to work in construction they were oppressed and treated like animals. Called Paddys, Micks, etc.

Even in 1921 the when the Irish Republic was won fair and square, they couldn't even give us that, instead they opted for humiliating the country with a 26 county "Free" State. The men of 1916 and the generations before that have their lives for Ireland didn't die for a Free State.

I think you should be ashamed to call yourself Irish with your attitude and sympathising with na Sasanaigh.

cj maxx

I don't resent the UK celebrating the end of WWII, as that war was the biggest event in world history imo.
However, I do think that it's time to move on from big nationalistic celebrations.
It's over and while we should never ever forget how it arose it is time,imo,to stop .

whisky_galore

Ultrflat wrote: »

it's an incredibly emotional time for family who lost love ones for both sides of the familys. I've friends who where German who talk about their granddads surrendering to allied forces and being happy about it.

Happy to surrender to British and Americans. Soviets, not so much.

SCOOP 64

Could we not just switch from BBC to RTE when this sort thing is on if it bothers people so much.

whisky_galore

TheBoyConor wrote: »

It's your own perogative if you want to be a West Brit. Hi right ahead.
But how do you, as an "Irish" reconcile all you've said all that you have said and your apartment gra for Sasana with the fact that it was those same British that oppressed the Irish nation for over 800 years, inflicted a number of genocides and kept us from having any sort of religious or political liberty?
Perhaps you are not as Irish as your claim? Might you be Anglo Irish by any chance?

As far as I'm concerned, and I think a lot of people world agree, the British and in particular the English, got their just deserts in WWII for the centuries of persecution and oppression that they inflicted on Ireland and other countries around the world.

Even in 1921 the when the Irish Republic was won fair and square, they couldn't even give us that, instead humiliating the country with a 26 county "Free" State.

So many barstooler clichés in one post, where to even begin?

SCOOP 64

TheBoyConor wrote: »

It's your own perogative if you want to be a West Brit. Hi right ahead.
But how do you, as an "Irish" reconcile all you've said all that you have said and your apartment gra for Sasana with the fact that it was those same British that oppressed the Irish nation for over 800 years, inflicted a number of genocides and kept us from having any sort of religious or political liberty?
Perhaps you are not as Irish as your claim? Might you be Anglo Irish by any chance?

As far as I'm concerned, and I think a lot of people world agree, the British and in particular the English, got their just deserts in WWII for the centuries of persecution and oppression that they inflicted o n Ireland and other countries around the world.

Even in 1921 the when the Irish Republic was won fair and square, they couldn't even give us that, instead humiliating the country with a 26 county "Free" State.

Really:pac:

banie01

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Don't want this to come across the wrong way but will they ever move on?

What are they going to move on to?
it was their last gasp as a world power, as an Empire and as a "winner".

Barring Argentine ineptitude and British luck in the Falklands, it was the last example of British military relevance on the World Stage.

VJ day should be recognised more as a US/Chinese/Indian victory, despite the 14th Army's contributions.
The US pacific campaign and nuclear bomb and the Chinese since '37 contributed far more to the defeat of Japan than the British.

The British suffered their greatest military ignominy and defeats in the Far East, Singapore and the retreat to India are very rarely discussed and few pay any heed.
The great British talent of muddling through and awaiting the arrival of allies once again bought them a victory.

Timberrrrrrrr

cj maxx wrote: »

I don't resent the UK celebrating the end of WWII, as that war was the biggest event in world history imo.
However, I do think that it's time to move on from big nationalistic celebrations.
It's over and while we should never ever forget how it arose it is time,imo,to stop .

It's not a celebration it's a commemoration.

There would be very few families in the U.K who would be unaffected by WW2. Every year there are less people alive that fought and one day soon there will be none.

Timberrrrrrrr

whisky_galore wrote: »

So many barstooler clichés in one post, where to even begin?

It actually gave me a chuckle.

extra gravy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Have you seen the video's of people in ireland having them? Some shocking ones doing the rounds.

Yeah shocking but at least we didn't pretend to celebrate our veterans while simultaneously putting them in danger. For once, the Brits could have had a quiet sombre remembrance instead of tacky street parties, but that's simply not in their nature.

droidman123

extra gravy wrote: »

Yeah shocking but at least we didn't pretend to celebrate our veterans while simultaneously putting them in danger. For once, the Brits could have had a quiet sombre remembrance instead of tacky street parties, but that's simply not in their nature.

Agreed,it was cringy to see some if them dress up in 1940,s garb and singing "we,ll meet again" makes the whole thing so tacky

blinding

LeYouth wrote: »

I'll tell you what's funny - is the Irish government having ceremonies for it.

Our West Brit Leaders are very upset that many many Irish lifes were not sacrificed. Especially working class people. A bit embarrassed by the whole Show, don’t Ya know ! ! !

Timberrrrrrrr

extra gravy wrote: »

Yeah shocking but at least we didn't pretend to celebrate our veterans while simultaneously putting them in danger.

How were they put in danger?

For once, the Brits could have had a quiet sombre remembrance instead of tacky street parties, but that's simply not in their nature.

Tacky street parties :rolleyes:

Care to show/tell me what was "tacky" about them?

jam_mac_jam

It's the last big anniversary where those who participated are likely to be alive. It's the second world war i think we should just respect it and mind our own business.

They have a perfect right to celebrate it. They gave up a lot and sacrificed many people and I am not sure why it would bother anyone that they commemorate it.

droidman123

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How were they put in danger?



Tacky street parties :rolleyes:

Care to show/tell me what was "tacky" about them?

Dressing up in 1940,s clothes and singing we,ll meet again is the tacky

Timberrrrrrrr

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

It's the last big anniversary where those who participated are likely to be alive. It's the second world war i think we should just respect it and mind our own business.

They have a perfect right to celebrate it. They gave up a lot and sacrificed many people and I am not sure why it would bother anyone that they commemorate it.

Because it's "da brits" and boards armchair Republicans have to get their daily dose of brit bashing in to themselves feel good.

blinding

Seems to be a few around disappointed that those Nice Nazis did not win ! ! !:eek::eek::eek:

TheBoyConor

blinding wrote: »

Our West Brit Leaders are very upset that many many Irish lifes were not sacrificed. Especially working class people. A bit embarrassed by the whole Show, don’t Ya know ! ! !

I'd agree. Sure look at the way they were saying we should commemorate the black n Tans. But sure what else would you expect from the same faction that accepted the Free State, essentially becoming the agents of the British in the 26, doing their bidding and picking up where the Brits left off, terrorising and shooting Irish people who held out for the ideal of the Irish Republic. The Brits even supplied the National Army with the weaponry and advisors to do it.

And as for the Nazis, if they were to land on Irish shores they'd have got the same treatment as the Brits who went before them. The Irish would not make it easy for them.

Timberrrrrrrr

droidman123 wrote: »

Dressing up in 1940,s clothes and singing we,ll meet again is the tacky

Was this a couple of people? Was it part of a segment being filmed? Are you saying every street party had this because I certainly didn't see anything like that.

blinding

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I'd agree. Sure look at the way they were saying we should commemorate the black n Tans. But sure what else would you expect from the same faction that accepted the Free State, essentially becoming the agents of the British in the 26, doing their bidding and picking up where the Brits left off, terrorising and shooting Irish people who held out for the ideal of the Irish Republic.

They regret that their Mammies and Daddies were not allowed to sacrifice working class Irish People ! ! !

Sure look at how much more slobbering, bowing and scraping the Likes of Bruton could have been doing to British Royalty had they sacrificed Irish People ( other Irish people obviously, not the fine stock they are themselves, obviously ):eek::eek::eek:

extra gravy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How were they put in danger?



Tacky street parties :rolleyes:

Care to show/tell me what was "tacky" about them?

You don't think people having street parties and not practising social distancing puts the elderly and vulnerable in danger? Why did we bother having a lockdown then? Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

https://twitter.com/Tucker5law/status/1259079129657466880?s=19

https://twitter.com/GoodPoliceUK/status/1259046608630616065?s=19

Pure stupidity and selfishness as well as tacky.

whisky_galore

droidman123 wrote: »

Agreed,it was cringy to see some if them dress up in 1940,s garb and singing "we,ll meet again" makes the whole thing so tacky

Tacky like Lepreachaun hats and waving inflatable tri colour hammers on Paddys Day then? What degree of celebration would be acceptable for you?

Lefty Bicek

cj maxx wrote: »

I don't resent the UK celebrating the end of WWII, as that war was the biggest event in world history imo.
However, I do think that it's time to move on from big nationalistic celebrations.
It's over and while we should never ever forget how it arose it is time,imo,to stop .

Nothing wrong with nationalistic celebrations.

Nothing wrong with nationalism.

WWII didn't happen because of nationalism, it happened because of Germany.

Time to stop Germany.

endacl

whisky_galore wrote: »

Tacky like Lepreachaun hats and waving inflatable tri colour hammers on Paddys Day then? What degree of celebration would be acceptable for you?

Only tourists wear those hats.

blinding

The Germans up to No Good as Usual ! ! !

whisky_galore

endacl wrote: »

Only tourists wear those hats.

At one time yes, Irish wouldn't be seen dead in them, they are normal supporters wear at international matches now.

endacl

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Nothing wrong with nationalistic celebrations.

Nothing wrong with nationalism.

WWII didn't happen because of nationalism, it happened because of Germany.

Time to stop Germany.

Nothing wrong with patriotism. Plenty wrong with nationalism.

Orwell had some thoughts you might be interested in.

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/

TheBoyConor

blinding wrote: »

They regret that their Mammies and Daddies were not allowed to sacrifice working class Irish People ! ! !

Sure look at how much more slobbering, bowing and scraping the Likes of Bruton could have been doing to British Royalty had they sacrificed Irish People ( other Irish people obviously, not the fine stock they are themselves, obviously ):eek::eek::eek:

100%

And the Brits offered to give back the occupied 6 in exchange for the sacrifice of thousands of Irish lives to assist them in the war.
Thankfully that "offer" wasn't taken up. Again, with a republic arguably in place since 1937 the Brits still saw it as their right to "send in the Irish", thinking that they could get us to bow to them in exchange for the occupied 6. Luckily the government at the time had enough spine to decline this probably hollow offer.

If Irish lives were to be given up to achieve the 32 county Republic then they ought to be given up for just that, not by proxy and in the name of the British. There are current martyrs and generations to come that will last down their lives for Ireland if need be.

blinding

whisky_galore wrote: »

At one time yes, Irish wouldn't be seen dead in them, they are normal supporters wear at international matches now.

Well, the way the team has been playing you want something that would stop you watching the performance ! ! !:eek:

Timberrrrrrrr

extra gravy wrote: »

You don't think people having street parties and not practising social distancing puts the elderly and vulnerable in danger? Why did we bother having a lockdown then? Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

https://twitter.com/Tucker5law/status/1259079129657466880?s=19

https://twitter.com/GoodPoliceUK/status/1259046608630616065?s=19

Pure stupidity and selfishness as well as tacky.

Yup, stupid, a few people do this and you think it's ok to bash a whole nation. Well done.

It's a good job there aren't idiots in ireland otherwise I would have to make idiotic claims about how everyone is putting the elderly at risk.


Oh wait......


https://www.irishpost.com/news/watch-anger-dozens-attend-hours-long-street-party-dublin-estate-183928


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-ireland-dublin-party-gardai-18199786.amp

endacl

whisky_galore wrote: »

At one time yes, Irish wouldn't be seen dead in them, they are normal supporters wear at international matches now.

They’re football supporters though. They bring the overall smartness index down and skew results, and would be disegarded in any reputable study.

blinding

TheBoyConor wrote: »

100%

And the Brits offered to give back the occupied 6 in exchange for the sacrifice of thousands of Irish lives to assist them in the war.
Thankfully that "offer" wasn't taken up. Again, with a republic arguably in place since 1937 the Brits still saw it as their right to "send in the Irish", thinking that they could get us to bow to them in exchange for the occupied 6. Luckily the government at the time had enough spine to decline this probably hollow offer.

We should have taken the 6 back and sent the Loyalists ;);)

Tell me how

Zebra3 wrote: »

Which would be of little consolation to the victims of US war crimes in Vietnam.

Strange how Merkel ignores those victims.

Can you please explain what your point here is because I've read it a couple of times and am still confused.

extra gravy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yup, stupid, a few people do this and you think it's ok to bash a whole nation. Well done.

It's a good job there aren't idiots in ireland otherwise I would have to make idiotic claims about how everyone is putting the elderly at risk.


Oh wait......


https://www.irishpost.com/news/watch-anger-dozens-attend-hours-long-street-party-dublin-estate-183928


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-ireland-dublin-party-gardai-18199786.amp

This thread isn't about Ireland though.

TheBoyConor

blinding wrote: »

We should have taken the 6 back and sent the Loyalists ;);)

True enough, good idea.

Take em back and send off all the West Brits and protestants too with them. They'd probably be happy to go off to their deaths for their British masters.

Timberrrrrrrr

extra gravy wrote: »

This thread isn't about Ireland though.

You're right, it's just another hand wringing good old fashioned brit bashing shìtefest that pops up every few weeks.

Sorry, but I thought pointing out hypocrisy would be ok.

Lefty Bicek

endacl wrote: »

Nothing wrong with patriotism. Plenty wrong with nationalism.

Orwell had some thoughts you might be interested in.

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/

No, thanks.

Orwell's polemic (written in 1945) required him to lay out definitions to suit his purpose. Just because he has exaggerated the distinction between the two, doesn't mean we must accept them.

Patriotism of course, etymologically speaking, comes from the Greek 'patris' meaning 'fatherland'.

We all know where that got us.

droidman123

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Was this a couple of people? Was it part of a segment being filmed? Are you saying every street party had this because I certainly didn't see anything like that.

I seen random people doing it in various locations on the 10.00pm bbc news last night. It was cringy and also ridiculous

jam_mac_jam

droidman123 wrote: »

Agreed,it was cringy to see some if them dress up in 1940,s garb and singing "we,ll meet again" makes the whole thing so tacky

So what? If they want to dress up let them. It's their celebration. They fought and won a horrible war. Who cares if their celebrations are not classy enough.

Timberrrrrrrr

droidman123 wrote: »

I seen random people doing it in various locations on the 10.00pm bbc news last night. It was cringy and also ridiculous

Maybe stick to news from your own country, then you wont have to suffer will you

droidman123

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

So what? If they want to dress up let them. It's their celebration. They fought and won a horrible war. Who cares if their celebrations are not classy enough.

I dont care if they run around in charlie chaplin outfits.i just gave my opinion that i thought it was tacky to see some of them dressed up in 1940,s clothes and singing vera lynne songs.

droidman123

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Maybe stick to news from your own country, then you wont have to suffer will you

Who said i was suffering? Strange thing to say

Timberrrrrrrr

droidman123 wrote: »

I dont care if they run around in charlie chaplin outfits.i just gave my opinion that i thought it was tacky to see some of them dressed up in 1940,s clothes and singing vera lynne songs.

Every Patrick's day, guaranteed, six one news will have a segment showing a pub, 4 or 5 "musicians" in the corner belting out some diddley eye shìte.

Tacky as anything and an annual thing, never hear me complain though. The point is every country has tacky parts to certain things. As I said, if it bothers you that much just switch channels, no one forced you to watch a foreign news programme.

TheBoyConor

Exactly. Why would an Irish person intentionally watch imported British TV. I refuse to watch BBC.

blinding

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

No, thanks.

Orwell's polemic (written in 1945) required him to lay out definitions to suit his purpose. Just because he has exaggerated the distinction between the two, doesn't mean we must accept them.

Patriotism of course, etymologically speaking, comes from the Greek 'patris' meaning 'fatherland'.

We all know where that got us.

Those Germans, up to No Good as Usual !

extra gravy

Are there Brits here posting on an Irish forum telling us to stick to watching the news from our own country? The irony if so.

Odhinn

Zebra3 wrote: »

As Robert Fisk pointed out, the British have an unhealthy obsession with WWII because it's one of the few wars that they can see themselves as the good guys in.

Essentially, yes.

Timberrrrrrrr

extra gravy wrote: »

Are there Brits here posting on an Irish forum telling us to stick to watching the news in our own country? The irony if so.

Born in England

Spent 35 years living in ireland

Have 4 adult children as well as siblings living in ireland.

Joined boards in 2000, moved back to England in 2016.

Should I stop posting on boards now that I no longer live in ireland?

blinding

extra gravy wrote: »

Are there Brits here posting on an Irish forum telling us to stick to watching the news in our own country? The irony if so.

Regardless, why are Irish people watching reading so much Brit Media if they are going to whinge about it. Don’t watch or read it ! ! !