Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

billy few mates

kona wrote: »

Its no doubt within the abilities of the staff, however its not within the current scope of the aer lingus 145 approval if the iaa website is accurate.
Absoloutley massive modifications involved which id say is why theres only a small amount of companies offering it, experience is everything with this type of work..
It would be a incredible descision if they did indeed decided to branch out into this work and as you say the rewards are there and the business certainly is.

Conversions are normally done by Part 145 organizations with Part 21 approval, it's not a whole new approval it's an extension of existing approvals.
Yes there'll be some additional 'tooling up' required plus a ramping up of personnel with experience and key skills in this area but a lot of the people with this particular skill set would probably also have lost their jobs as a result of this crisis so could well be available.

kona

billy few mates wrote: »

Conversions are normally done by Part 145 organizations with Part 21 approval, it's not a whole new approval it's an extension of existing approvals.
Yes there'll be some additional 'tooling up' required plus a ramping up of personnel with experience and key skills in this area but a lot of the people with this particular skill set would probably also have lost their jobs as a result of this crisis so could well be available.

The mod would be done by a 145 with the relevant approval, a part 21 would issue the stc for the mod, they dont have to be the same company.
Its not as simple as just getting a extension , theres many approvals that fall under the 145 title, not all as simple as others. Then you have 145 split between line and base maintenance. Calling it a simple extension to a 145 approval isnt doing the scope of the job justice.

A p2f conversion would require absoloutley massive planning to even think about applying for a approval,
Aer lingus doesnt even have a full base maintenance approval in the same way as lufthansa, DAL or even Atlantic in shannon to begin with. Thats why I reckon it would be a incredible descision to get into such work for Aer Lingus, however as you say it would certainly make money if done right.

kona

billy few mates wrote: »

If they're due a repaint as part of the maintenance program then you don't really have a choice.
It's often a return condition in the lease agreement that an aircraft is returned painted all white, in cases where a repaint falls due it might make more sense to paint them white until they decide the long-term plan for the aircraft. It should be easy enough to add the livery markings afterwards if they decide they're going to keep them in service.

Im not sure what the mpd states for paint, but i dont think many of the Aer lingus aircraft have the paint hanging off them, once theres no rivets or bare metal drive it on and shelve the program.
End of lease requirements are usually budgeted in and as you say they are going off the books.
Repainting a aircraft just to change its colour when you are trying to save cash is pretty idiotic.

mr.anonymous

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/mccarthy-enters-fray-for-aer-lingus-regional-contract-39652992.html

Dublin Aerospace CEO establishing new airline Emerald Airlines, which is expected to join bid for Aer Lingus Regional contract

Jack1985

EI suspending 10 routes and cutting frequencies on all other routes from Monday 16/11 for a month initially. Subject to change.

Suspensions
DUB-ACE
DUB-AGP
DUB-BER
DUB-BRU
DUB-DUS
DUB-FCO
DUB-HAM
DUB-LIN
DUB-MUC
ORK-AMS

Reduced frequency*
DUB-AMS (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-BHX (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-CDG (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-LHR (26pw to 20pw)
DUB-MAN (9pw to 5pw)
BHD-LHR (18pw to 10pw)
ORK-LHR (9pw to 3pw)

*From pre-planned Nov 2020 schedule.

Services to BOS (7pw), JFK (7pw) and ORD (7pw) will be maintained as planned.

Cork Airport will have just 3 commercial weekly flights from Irish airlines from mid-Nov, both Knock and Shannon Airports will have no commercial flights for the first time since 1945 or the latter since opening in 1985.

Avoation1091

Jack1985 wrote: »

EI suspending 10 routes and cutting frequencies on all other routes from Monday 16/11 for a month initially. Subject to change.

Suspensions
DUB-ACE
DUB-AGP
DUB-BER
DUB-BRU
DUB-DUS
DUB-FCO
DUB-HAM
DUB-LIN
DUB-MUC
ORK-AMS

Reduced frequency*
DUB-AMS (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-BHX (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-CDG (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-LHR (26pw to 20pw)
DUB-MAN (9pw to 5pw)
BHD-LHR (18pw to 10pw)
ORK-LHR (9pw to 3pw)

*From pre-planned Nov 2020 schedule.

Services to BOS (7pw), JFK (7pw) and ORD (7pw) will be maintained as planned.

Cork Airport will have just 3 commercial weekly flights from Irish airlines from mid-Nov, both Knock and Shannon Airports will have no commercial flights for the first time since 1945 or the latter since opening in 1985.

Very bleak winter ahead to say the least. The Govt are killing the Aviation Industry. I feel for everyone with a job in Aviation. The Govt havent been anyhelp at all.

Aer Lingus and Ryanair have clearly made there case and no movement from Ryan and co.

marno21

ORK-LHR managed 5pw during the last lockdown. 3pw along with whatever KLM can manage as well. Bleak as it gets.

davebuck

Jack1985 wrote: »

EI suspending 10 routes and cutting frequencies on all other routes from Monday 16/11 for a month initially. Subject to change.

Suspensions
DUB-ACE
DUB-AGP
DUB-BER
DUB-BRU
DUB-DUS
DUB-FCO
DUB-HAM
DUB-LIN
DUB-MUC
ORK-AMS

Reduced frequency*
DUB-AMS (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-BHX (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-CDG (8pw to 5pw)
DUB-LHR (26pw to 20pw)
DUB-MAN (9pw to 5pw)
BHD-LHR (18pw to 10pw)
ORK-LHR (9pw to 3pw)

*From pre-planned Nov 2020 schedule.

Services to BOS (7pw), JFK (7pw) and ORD (7pw) will be maintained as planned.

Cork Airport will have just 3 commercial weekly flights from Irish airlines from mid-Nov, both Knock and Shannon Airports will have no commercial flights for the first time since 1945 or the latter since opening in 1985.

The lack of concern and the silence from the government is unbelievable to all the people employed in aviation affected by the current policy, not that the well paid in Nphet are worried either..... they won't be affected by any downturn.

duskyjoe

davebuck wrote: »

The lack of concern and the silence from the government is unbelievable to all the people employed in aviation affected by the current policy, not that the well paid in Nphet are worried either..... they won't be affected by any downturn.

It’s frightening.... I wish I could fast play the button to next next March and see where we all are but between then and now it’s carnage for aviation. No airline imo no matter how large or how cash rich they are can cope with this pandemic tsunami. The Irish governments public position re aviation has been at best appalling. This pandemic will end but whose standing when it ends is all our concerns.

California Dreamer

duskyjoe wrote: »

It’s frightening.... I wish I could fast play the button to next next March and see where we all are but between then and now it’s carnage for aviation. No airline imo no matter how large or how cash rich they are can cope with this pandemic tsunami. The Irish governments public position re aviation has been at best appalling. This pandemic will end but whose standing when it ends is all our concerns.

March 2021? Gotta love your optimism!!!

goingnowhere

Germany will basically shutdown for 4 weeks so explains EI's shutdown of all DE routes.

2 weeks notice is of the change is to avoid EC261 as it is cheaper to fly than to cancelled.

trellheim

FRA is not on that list is that an oversight or are they still going there

Jack1985

trellheim wrote: »

FRA is not on that list is that an oversight or are they still going there

Aer Lingus haven't operated to FRA since 03/04/20. Any destinations that EI previously flew to that were not on that list are suspended.

goingnowhere

Jack1985 wrote: »

Aer Lingus haven't operated to FRA since 03/04/20. Any destinations that EI previously flew to that were not on that list are suspended.

FRA was left to LH

EI opted for DUS (much nicer and cheaper airport to fly out of) which is same time really if you are going to Bonn/Koln

mikel97

goingnowhere wrote: »

FRA was left to LH

EI opted for DUS (much nicer and cheaper airport to fly out of) which is same time really if you are going to Bonn/Koln

And hopefully Eurowings will restart the Koln which was a great cheap service from the Dublin

Jack1985

goingnowhere wrote: »

FRA was left to LH

EI opted for DUS (much nicer and cheaper airport to fly out of) which is same time really if you are going to Bonn/Koln

It's not a case of airlines leaving market share to anyone, it's the realities of waying up demand and where to deploy assets.

From EI’s perspective, there are lines of flying to the US that were particularly busy for FRA flights including SEA/SFO/YYZ - When you are dealing with floored demand it would make little sense to resume a route that has lost outright an aspect of its previous demand.

2021 will be a year of fighting to retain market share for EI when it becomes realistic to resume increased levels of operation, IAG are doing their best to keep it within the Group as previously demonstrated with the planned NA 21 schedule. Continental Europe and the UK are the backbone of the Long-Haul operation, EI can’t afford to lose it or gift it to anyone.

duskyjoe

California Dreamer wrote: »

March 2021? Gotta love your optimism!!!

I hear ya

Avoation1091

EI-DAA spotted in CQM.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9903635

EI-GEY up close

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9907301

EI-CPG

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9903211

EI-EIK also snapped.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9899490

JW7

Anyone know why there was a flight to Seattle this morning, PPE?

duskyjoe

JW7 wrote: »

Anyone know why there was a flight to Seattle this morning, PPE?

Yes. Not PPE.

goingnowhere

EI9053 looks to be a freight flight to SEA. 9 prefix for freight, 053 is the 2020 timetabled flight number to SEA.

Once they land in SEA we can figure it out if they park at the north end its freight

duskyjoe

goingnowhere wrote: »

EI9053 looks to be a freight flight to SEA. 9 prefix for freight, 053 is the 2020 timetabled flight number to SEA.

Once they land in SEA we can figure it out if they park at the north end its freight

Its freight - as I said above .

Duff

This might have been answered in this thread already, but can't seem to find it so apologies if so. I'm thinking of booking return flights to JFK for June next year with the hopes that things might have settled a bit by then. If they haven't, do Aer Lingus offer a refund or anything if you can't take the flight for Covid-related reasons?

Thanks.

Tenger

Duff wrote: »

This might have been answered in this thread already, but can't seem to find it so apologies if so. I'm thinking of booking return flights to JFK for June next year with the hopes that things might have settled a bit by then. If they haven't, do Aer Lingus offer a refund or anything if you can't take the flight for Covid-related reasons?

Thanks.

Can't be 100% but did see an article 3-4 days ago saying EI were encouraging 2021 bookings by offering free change of dates.

Foggy43

Tenger wrote: »

Can't be 100% but did see an article 3-4 days ago saying EI were encouraging 2021 bookings by offering free change of dates.

I got this in an email from Aer Lingus this afternoon.

'Amazing deals to USA favourites
Fly from London via Dublin to San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle or Orlando from only £209 each way, as part of a return trip.

Offer must end midnight Wednesday 4 November.

Travel: 01 March – 31 May 2021

PS – We’ve got lots of new ways to keep your flights flexible in case your plans change, including free changes, voucher and cash refund options.'

masit

Duff wrote: »

This might have been answered in this thread already, but can't seem to find it so apologies if so. I'm thinking of booking return flights to JFK for June next year with the hopes that things might have settled a bit by then. If they haven't, do Aer Lingus offer a refund or anything if you can't take the flight for Covid-related reasons?

Thanks.

Think it's only up until March where they offer refund , change, voucher.

trellheim

yep if you look at the fares its only cash refund if you go flex i.e. full price most expensive economy

Jack1985

If you book any fare right now, Aer Lingus are offering free change (fare difference may apply) to any other flight up to 31st of May (Meaning up until that date you are free to change your flight to any future service as far as the booking engine allows).

Cash refunds and vouchers will only be available to certain fare categories. As per EC261 if a flight is cancelled however you will be entitled to a full refund.

PinOnTheRight

goingnowhere wrote: »

EI9053 looks to be a freight flight to SEA. 9 prefix for freight, 053 is the 2020 timetabled flight number to SEA.

Once they land in SEA we can figure it out if they park at the north end its freight

Supposedly delivering first/business class seat products to Boeing for installation in one of their customer's aircraft. There is a company in the north that produce them.

nervous_twitch

Is CDG the only route Aer Lingus is offering into France at the moment then?