Flightradar24 (and other trackers) Thread Part IV

eastmayo

Thats the same Aircraft that diverted back to Dublin earlier in the week.

stephenjmcd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462266#Comment_122462266

Not aircraft related.

East coast has seen alot of thunderstorms in the last day or 2. There was a significant ground stop at JFK yesterday evening due to thunderstorms with multiple cancellations and diversions

odyssey06

I think one of the display planes just flew over Raheny … loud engine roar. Any ideas which one?

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463756#Comment_122463756

Sure it wasn't EI348?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465037#Comment_122465037

Pretty sure it was a turboprop... was on same flight path as the Jordanian Falcons took on Friday I think. Never seen regular flights take that path.

I had a quick scan of flight radar afterwards…wonder if it might have been the Beech H18.

Victor

There's a helicopter buzzing around Dublin at the moment that isn't tracker on Flightradar 24. Sounds like it is small and has a fenestron. I've hear it a few times over the last month.

Is this a Garda helicopter? It isn't as loud as one of the other ones, that can be rather piercing in an urban area due to the sound reflecting.

Ben D Bus

Just watched 3 aircraft backtracking simultaneously on 28L and a Ryanair from Nice stationary on the taxiway. Quite a few aircraft holding. I don't know how long the Ryanair has been stuck there. At least it got clear of the exits so others can turn at the end of the rwy.

Edit: Looks like ATC is bringing in 3 at a time and queueing them up at the western end of the taxiway before having them backtrack together, although some are managing to exit as S4(?) and avoid the issue.

dublin12367

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122474822#Comment_122474822

still don’t understand why they don’t switch the arrivals to 28R and departures to 28L in cases like this. A large number holding for 28L currently

highdef

Appears the aircraft has a flat tyre(s)

stephenjmcd

1 tyre burst on landing , the other is nearly off as well.

Passengers being taken off and bussed to the terminal.

ATC have a landing rate restriction currently in place

Jonathan

Was wondering what that drone noise was.. An12B flew overhead at FL25.

https://www.flightradar24.com/CVK7011/3685325d

EchoIndia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475002#Comment_122475002

Has Dublin ever operated on that basis since the parallel runway was opened? I don't think it has.

dublin12367

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475522#Comment_122475522

No, I don’t think it has either.

Planning dictates that 28L shall be preferred for landings and 28 R for departures in normal circumstances.

Taken from daa’s website “Option 7B is a preferred runway concept, which was agreed as part of the 2007 runway planning permission to lessen the impact of aircraft noise on local communities.

Mode of operation 7B provides that:

• the parallel runways - 10R-28L (existing main runway) and 10L-28R (North Runway) - shall be used in preference to the cross runway, 16-34; 
• In westerly operations, when winds are westerly, approximately 70% of the time, Runway 28L shall be preferred for arriving aircraft; either Runway 28L or 28R shall be used for departing aircraft as determined by air traffic control.”

I would think the planning therefore allows for the switch in cases like today so I’m not sure what the actual reason is that they don’t and instead leave aircraft circling over the Irish Sea, resulting in one diversion to Cork this evening.

JCX BXC

Perhaps the reason they didn't use 28R for landing is the same one given for not operating dual runway operations during reduced visibility - lack of familiarity.

highdef

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476775#Comment_122476775

Which begs the question..... How is it made familiar?

Tabnabs

Three go-arounds in a row right now at Dublin and a lot of stacking going on.

stephenjmcd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477807#Comment_122477807

Switching runways now

Edit - Gone to single runway ops on the south runway

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475522#Comment_122475522

When if ever is the DAA going to get full value out of that large investment in the north runway? Between ATC restrictions and the stupid cap…

Bummer1234

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122482021#Comment_122482021

I think i remember hearing and I can be corrected on this but heard that the northern runway needs to pass some tests for night time flying and low visibility yet….I could be wrong.

CardinalJ

Quick question.

Not withstanding that the data could be innacurate, would a military plane, even a friendly one, be expected to advise in advance if they are in the area and might cross over into Irish airspace?

RAF A400 appeared to tip into Irish Airspace earlier.

vswr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122505878#Comment_122505878

Call the anti war protesters !!!!

While technically over "Irish territorial waters" (the lines you're referring to as airspace).

They didn't actually enter the Shannon FIR, and were still in Prestwick controlled lower airspace.

Victor

Also, under "innocent passage" it is permissible for a ship to transit territorial waters or an aircraft to transit the air over territorial waters, providing that they are transiting, not loitering in the territorial waters, not being a navigation hazard, not being a nuisance and not doing anything contrary to the sovereignty of the country (spying, raiding, invasion, etc.). Submarines need to surface for innocent passage.

While the A400 could be said to be loitering, it wasn't loitering over Irish territorial waters.

CardinalJ

Thanks for both answers.

Didn't realise it was waters v airspace of some sort.

Hotblack Desiato

Interestingly the position of the border in Lough Foyle is disputed - the UK claims sovereignty over the entire lough which could well include the shoreline below the high water mark on the Donegal side, which would obviously be ridiculous. There have been disputes over fishing rights in the past. So whether that purple line going out to sea is what both governments recognise is questionable.

Victor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506646#Comment_122506646

"Disputed" might be over-stating things. "Not agreed" might be more accurate. There is agreement on parts of the EEZ boundary, beyond the territorial waters.

vswr

https://i.imgur.com/VZKIF3s.png

they were prob at least 20 miles, if not further, from the Shannon FIR boundary. Airspace boundaries rarely have the granularity "sovereign territory" or nautical boundaries have….

Upper airspace over Donegal is actually delegated to Prestwick, so is technically UK airspace, over Ireland.

Fun fact… if it wasn't transmitting SSR, Ireland wouldn't know it was even there

EchoIndia

RAF even flagged the operation in advance:

https://www.facebook.com/RAFNorthernIreland

The aircraft is over Co. Tyrone at the moment as "LION 01".

Victor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122507200#Comment_122507200

"technically UK airspace" is gratuitous over-simplification. UK-operated airspace might be more accurate.

If you use the word "technically", you need to be technically correct.

vswr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122507405#Comment_122507405

had a feeling someone would bite :-D

From a technical perspective, it is UK airspace… it is programmed in as Prestwick airspace in the Irish and UK flight data processing systems…

So technically, it is….

From a sovereignty perspective, like I mentioned, it's delegated control.

vswr

NATS doc if you fancy a read.

ENR 2.2 OTHER REGULATED AIRSPACE (ead-it.com)

1.8.1  

Donegal Area - 

FL 245 - FL 660 — Class C Airspace.

In this part of the Shannon UIR, the United Kingdom (Scottish AC (Prestwick)) will provide Air Traffic Services to all aircraft between FL 245 and FL 660 (inclusive). Procedures and communications will be as if this airspace were an integral part of the Scottish UIR. This area is bounded by arcs of Great Circles joining in succession the following points:
542500N 0081000W - 552000N 0065500W - 552500N 0072000W - 552000N 0081500W - 544500N 0090000W - 543858N 0093320W - 542500N 0081000W.

It's led to some interesting overflights until ADSB became more popular to the common folk.