CBAs

LW2018

Do you think the NCCA will enforce both CBAs for 3rd years (2020-2021)? There are a number of subjects in my school who were unable to complete/begin their CBAs with the school closure. Will these classes have to complete both CBAs during their 3rd year do you think?

This is an opportunity for the NCCA to look back I think and create one CBA per subject... maybe a combination of the two - say for language subjects, an oral presentation could be one of their portfolio pieces thus merging the two CBAs together ... a lot of ground to make up next year and will be challenging without having CBAs never mind potential of adding two in

Purefrank128

LW2018 wrote: »

Do you think the NCCA will enforce both CBAs for 3rd years (2020-2021)? There are a number of subjects in my school who were unable to complete/begin their CBAs with the school closure. Will these classes have to complete both CBAs during their 3rd year do you think?

This is an opportunity for the NCCA to look back I think and create one CBA per subject... maybe a combination of the two - say for language subjects, an oral presentation could be one of their portfolio pieces thus merging the two CBAs together ... a lot of ground to make up next year and will be challenging without having CBAs never mind potential of adding two in

What on Earth makes you think the NCCA have the ability or desire to ENFORCE anything?

But perhaps the DES might look at merging the two CBAs into one for every subject, and not just for next year.

TheDriver

Can I ask why the CBAs couldn't be done during the closure? In my school I see a good number of CBAs going on during the closure

Purefrank128

TheDriver wrote: »

Can I ask why the CBAs couldn't be done during the closure? In my school I see a good number of CBAs going on during the closure

Some require specialist teaching environment and teacher supervision. For example, the Science 2nd year CBA is an experimental investigation. Are you suggesting that we ask students to use kitchen equipment and household chemicals, unsupervised?

rainbowtrout

Isn't the CBA supposed to be allocated three weeks of class time under the supervision of the teacher also? I wouldn't be advocating for doing science experiments at home. Again aside from health and safety issues, there are those who would not have access to suitable materials.

babybuilder

CBAs should not be completed and should not have been started during the lockdown. DES, NCCA, unions should have announced that from day one. Real mess and unfair to students and their families. Unbelievable stupidity and delay. I got correspondence back from all 3 waffling about this that and the other. Circular this and guidelines that and that's 4 weeks ago. You can measure the level of incompetence from this and the ministers dealing with the LC.

LW2018

Purefrank128 wrote: »

What on Earth makes you think the NCCA have the ability or desire to ENFORCE anything?

But perhaps the DES might look at merging the two CBAs into one for every subject, and not just for next year.

Well the NCCA are the body who were involved in their design and publish the timeframe for completion in each subject as well as the relevant SLAR meetings that accompany them which is why I mentioned them.

joebloggs32

babybuilder wrote: »

CBAs should not be completed and should not have been started during the lockdown. DES, NCCA, unions should have announced that from day one. Real mess and unfair to students and their families. Unbelievable stupidity and delay. I got correspondence back from all 3 waffling about this that and the other. Circular this and guidelines that and that's 4 weeks ago. You can measure the level of incompetence from this and the ministers dealing with the LC.

Spot on. The JCT couldn't or wouldn't give a straight answer. My subject initially postponed it but we decided to proceed with it this month as it would be a pain to cram in two next year. The results of the CBA will used for the summer report.

TheValeyard

We were told to continue CBA from home.

Today we were told to contact parents via the App if students have not completed a CBA

dory

For Irish we've 2 CBAs in 3rd year to do. Will be a disaster. I've warned mine that I won't have 6 weeks to play around with CBAs so they're practicing their presentations at home at the moment (hopefully).

LW2018

dory wrote: »

For Irish we've 2 CBAs in 3rd year to do. Will be a disaster. I've warned mine that I won't have 6 weeks to play around with CBAs so they're practicing their presentations at home at the moment (hopefully).

It's a complete nightmare! Along with catching up and tidying up on bits... the AT then as well as mocks... it makes the year busier than necessary and very disjointed for them in 3rd year I feel.

brighterspark

I am questioning the fairness and wisdom of asking students to complete CBAs at home. My own class had already started their CBA 1 befor lockdown and most of them have completed it at home. I felt however that some of my students would need more than the online guidance I have been giving them – for this reason I assured them that we would eventually have some class time spent on it before it could be considered a completed CBA.

Yesterday I was surprised to discover my 2nd year child had been emailed instructions to start and complete her science CBA 1 before the end of term. It was stated that changes had been made so all experiments were suitable to be completed at home. Support has been offered in the form of email contact to answer any questions/problems.

Surely this is an undertaking that will be very challenging and indeed overwhelming for the less able student. As teachers should we be putting this pressure on our students with no knowledge of home circumstances. Also this could be adding stress and pressure to parents (like me!) who are just holding it together – am I overreacting?

Finally can any of this work be considered as a CBA as we will have no idea who is actually doing the work?

dory

brighterspark wrote: »

Finally can any of this work be considered as a CBA as we will have no idea who is actually doing the work?

Same could be said of all CBAs, even when we're in school. I've heard of kids sharing poster displays (friends in different schools). In IRish CBA1 is a portfolio of work and they're getting stories and poems from all types of sources. I've learned not to take it too seriously. You can never be sure it's the students work (unless it's an obvious one like they're presenting).

babybuilder

brighterspark wrote: »

I am questioning the fairness and wisdom of asking students to complete CBAs at home. My own class had already started their CBA 1 befor lockdown and most of them have completed it at home. I felt however that some of my students would need more than the online guidance I have been giving them – for this reason I assured them that we would eventually have some class time spent on it before it could be considered a completed CBA.

Yesterday I was surprised to discover my 2nd year child had been emailed instructions to start and complete her science CBA 1 before the end of term. It was stated that changes had been made so all experiments were suitable to be completed at home. Support has been offered in the form of email contact to answer any questions/problems.

Surely this is an undertaking that will be very challenging and indeed overwhelming for the less able student. As teachers should we be putting this pressure on our students with no knowledge of home circumstances. Also this could be adding stress and pressure to parents (like me!) who are just holding it together – am I overreacting?

Finally can any of this work be considered as a CBA as we will have no idea who is actually doing the work?

Tell the school to shove their cba in science. Ridiculous.

TheValeyard

It's only a CBA, it means nothing, it's worth nothing. Just correct it and use it as the summer test.

babybuilder

TheValeyard wrote: »

It's only a CBA, it means nothing, it's worth nothing. Just correct it and use it as the summer test.

If it's meaningless then why waste teaching and learning time on it? I think that the real reason that teachers are forging ahead with it is because of it being used as a summer assessment grade. CBAs need to be scrapped.

TheValeyard

babybuilder wrote: »

If it's meaningless then why waste teaching and learning time on it? I think that the real reason that teachers are forging ahead with it is because of it being used as a summer assessment grade. CBAs need to be scrapped.

Yeah, treat it as a summer test. At least then the time spent on it will be worth something. We have no choice about wasting teaching and learning time on it. Directive from high above. Pointless exercise in time wasting.

Random sample

All the talk about how continuous assessment would have somehow solved the leaving cert issue, I’m finding cba’s the biggest pain of the closure. I got cba 1 done with my second years before closure, but we didn’t have a slar. About half my third years did cbas since lockdown. Again, no slar, so it’s not officially done.

I’m really hoping they’ll be dropped, even temporarily, in September, I don’t have time for them.

joebloggs32

The NCCA have come out basically saying we can suspend CBAs for the time being!

They haven't a clue. How could anyone be starting one two weeks before the end of the year, but I'm sure loads of people still completing them
Here is the statement on their website



The very real challenges that school closures have created and the ongoing efforts by teachers and schools to continue to plan lessons and, where possible, provide online resources or lessons for your students are very much appreciated. We are aware that, where it was feasible, students may have been asked to continue working on classroom-based assessments with guidance from their teachers.

For students currently in second year, previously issued key dates related to CBA1s no longer apply. When available, further information on the completion of CBAs for this cohort of students will be provided by the Department of Education and Skills.

TheValeyard

The JCT should have come out with this week's ago.

djemba djemba

TheValeyard wrote: »

The JCT should have come out with this week's ago.

They were too busy sorting out the post-it's and their dot democracy

rainbowtrout

Probably out on ghost walks 2km from their home.

babybuilder

joebloggs32 wrote: »

The NCCA have come out basically saying we can suspend CBAs for the time being!

They haven't a clue. How could anyone be starting one two weeks before the end of the year, but I'm sure loads of people still completing them
Here is the statement on their website



The very real challenges that school closures have created and the ongoing efforts by teachers and schools to continue to plan lessons and, where possible, provide online resources or lessons for your students are very much appreciated. We are aware that, where it was feasible, students may have been asked to continue working on classroom-based assessments with guidance from their teachers.

For students currently in second year, previously issued key dates related to CBA1s no longer apply. When available, further information on the completion of CBAs for this cohort of students will be provided by the Department of Education and Skills.

Do you have a link?

Sorry, got it here TUI.ie

SligoBrewer

TheValeyard wrote: »

The JCT should have come out with this week's ago.

The JCT have no jurisdiction to do so, despite what their twitter account thinks. All it is an specialised extension of the PDST.