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Landlord packed our stuff up and threw it out

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    #272
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,516 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Ted you can't believe that someone takes all of the possessions from the house for no reason. Why would they do that?

    That’s why the op needs to have a conversation.


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    #273
    Curious1002
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    This is a dream case for any adjudicator and a nice compensation awarded to the students. Dont waste any more time, pick up your items and immediately file an RTB case against your landlord. I would love to be present at your adjudication hearing so give me a shout when it's on and i will be there.

    Love it, just when i thought that landlords cant go any lower! Just make sure to file the case!


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    #274
    OnYerPike
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭OnYerPike


    Haven't heard from the OP in over 5 days!!!

    I think it's about time he updated us all.


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    #275
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    ted1 wrote: »
    That’s why the op needs to have a conversation.

    You couldn't think of a single reason. Well ill help you here. The LL isn't allowed to remove property without permission.

    You'd make a great police officer Ted.

    "Inspector Ted this appears to be murder".

    "Now now let's not jump to conclusions, we need to have a conversation with the murderer first".


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    #276
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    daithi7 wrote: »
    If they don't keep their end of a lease agreement up, they do [share responsibility for the illegal actions of another person] in my book. Particularly when they had 'renegotiated ' it!!

    Honestly that kind of argument, generalised, would justify a loan shark breaking the legs of a debtor who was late with payments ( especially if he had got a reduction).


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    #277
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    I really don't see how anyone can justify the actions of this landlord at all.

    Must be a wind up by some of the LL's in this thread or just somewhere to vent, they can't honestly believe this behaviour is OK.


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    #278
    10pennymixup
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭10pennymixup


    Not justifying the position of anyone, and I know it's not possible but I would have loved to have heard the side of the other tenants and the Landlord!!

    There is a serious amount of people in this thread vilifying the LL on the biased and incomplete word of one anonymous poster. A poster that hasn't been heard from, or answered pertinent questions, in days.


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    #279
    [Deleted User]
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You couldn't think of a single reason. Well ill help you here. The LL isn't allowed to remove property without permission.

    You'd make a great police officer Ted.

    "Inspector Ted this appears to be murder".

    "Now now let's not jump to conclusions, we need to have a conversation with the murderer first".

    Well yes, that would be a good idea in a murder case.


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    #280
    daithi7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭daithi7


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Honestly that kind of argument, generalised, would justify a loan shark breaking the legs of a debtor who was late with payments ( especially if he had got a reduction).

    Nope, but it may justify a landlord moving absent tenants stuff out of their property when they've fallen behind in their rent, had already renegotiated a previous agreement and weren't at the property.

    I mean maybe the Landlord thought they had left for good!?

    How was he to know!? They weren't paying (an already reduced) rent, they weren't there... I mean come on... what did they expect... properties cost money!!


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    #281
    lozenges
    Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭lozenges


    daithi7 wrote: »
    Nope, but it may justify a landlord moving absent tenants stuff out of their property when they've fallen behind in their rent, had already renegotiated a previous agreement and weren't at the property.

    I mean maybe the Landlord thought they had left for good!?

    How was he to know!? They weren't paying (an already reduced) rent, they weren't there... I mean come on... what did they expect... properties cost money!!

    They should expect him to obey the law.


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    #282
    daithi7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭daithi7


    lozenges wrote: »
    They should expect him to obey the law.

    And they should also expect to pay their (reduced) rent, which they didn't. So tough. Imho.


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    #283
    lozenges
    Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭lozenges


    daithi7 wrote: »
    And they should also expect to pay their (reduced) rent, which they didn't. So tough. Imho.

    Illegal evictions are, as the name suggests, illegal. Late payment of rent, while certainly not desirable, is not.


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    #284
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,299 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    lozenges wrote: »
    They should expect him to obey the law.
    He has yet to evict them.

    Also, he has stored their stuff in a safe location! /s


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    #285
    daithi7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭daithi7


    lozenges wrote: »
    Illegal evictions are, as the name suggests, illegal. Late payment of rent, while certainly not desirable, is not.

    Yes, but imho it should be grounds to break a contract to provide services begging paid for, just like it would in any other commercial contract.

    Our politicians have just caved to lefty lobby groups, protecting morons like the OP & his housemates here imho.

    P.s. other examples of landlord / tenant inequality-
    - landlord must pay rtb registration, like why?
    - legally different terms given for notices for tenants to landlords versus landlords to tenants , why?
    - landlords can only ask tenants leave on certain grounds but tenants can leave for any reason, why?
    - % of rtb cases ruled against landlord, it's populist 'justice' if ever there was such!!
    - ability & mechanisms to pursue outstanding tenants after they leave property (maybe they should be precluded by the rtb from renting again until they've paid their arrears!?)
    - and while we're on it, since this is a landlord funded database, how about having access to a record of each& every tenant (&landlords) details (say on request) to have the ability to see how many rtb spats have been made against them, before letting them your expensively acquired & decorated property so that their errant ways and total sense of entitlement can start robbing you of rent due!?

    (Now that would be a fairer, better system for all imho)


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    #286
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    daithi7 wrote: »
    Yes, but imho it should be grounds to break a contract to provide services begging paid for, just like it would in any other commercial contract.

    Late payment of rent is ordinarily grounds to terminate a rental contract.

    There is a legal process for doing this.


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    #287
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,516 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You couldn't think of a single reason. Well ill help you here. The LL isn't allowed to remove property without permission.

    You'd make a great police officer Ted.

    "Inspector Ted this appears to be murder".

    "Now now let's not jump to conclusions, we need to have a conversation with the murderer first".

    If you are not going to listen to the accused murderer , why bother with the courts at all?


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    #288
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,516 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    lozenges wrote: »
    Illegal evictions are, as the name suggests, illegal. Late payment of rent, while certainly not desirable, is not.

    No mention by the landlord of an eviction and no update from OP.


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    #289
    Sarn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Sarn


    daithi7 wrote: »
    Nope, but it may justify a landlord moving absent tenants stuff out of their property when they've fallen behind in their rent, had already renegotiated a previous agreement and weren't at the property.

    I mean maybe the Landlord thought they had left for good!?

    How was he to know!? They weren't paying (an already reduced) rent, they weren't there... I mean come on... what did they expect... properties cost money!!

    They were 7 days behind in their rent and informed the LL in advance that it would be late. I cannot see how that can be construed as abandonment. If the LL was unsure he only had to ask, especially given the current pandemic restrictions.


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    #290
    Claw Hammer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Sarn wrote: »
    They were 7 days behind in their rent and informed the LL in advance that it would be late. I cannot see how that can be construed as abandonment. If the LL was unsure he only had to ask, especially given the current pandemic restrictions.

    Why should the landlord have to ask anything? It was absolutely clear when the rent was due. He was being messed around enough. How would you like if yu boss told you your wages were being cut, then when they were due to be paid,at the lower rate, saying they would be late?


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    #291
    Hoboo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    Why should the landlord have to ask anything?

    Like wheres my rent? Is everything ok? Is there an issue with payment? Are you alive? What will I do with the apartment? Even a call to say I'm fecking out your stuff.

    You know it, we all know it, chancing his arm with students. The deposit was just too big to resist.


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    #292
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    the_syco wrote: »
    He has yet to evict them.

    Also, he has stored their stuff in a safe location! /s

    Ok so let's look at the options.

    A: The landlord illegally evicted them.

    B: The landlord hasn't evicted them. He informed them that he will be using the deposit as rent due and took all their things out of the house and kept them in his property.

    You're defending the indefensible.


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    #293
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    Why should the landlord have to ask anything? It was absolutely clear when the rent was due. He was being messed around enough. How would you like if yu boss told you your wages were being cut, then when they were due to be paid,at the lower rate, saying they would be late?

    The OP informed him rent would be late prior to the due date. He didn't reply to this.


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    #294
    Caranica
    Registered Users Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    304 posts and only 5 from the OP and none since Sunday? Hope they resolved the situation.


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    #295
    ted1
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The OP informed him rent would be late prior to the due date. He didn't reply to this.

    If I don’t get a reply , I assume the message wasn’t received.


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    #296
    Sarn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Sarn


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    Why should the landlord have to ask anything? It was absolutely clear when the rent was due. He was being messed around enough. How would you like if yu boss told you your wages were being cut, then when they were due to be paid,at the lower rate, saying they would be late?

    If, as suggested, that the LL thought that they had left for good (despite their communication implying the contrary), then he should have checked before removing their possessions.

    Where did I say it was ok for the rent to be late? Both LL and tenant have obligations to each other. However, sometimes things come up that can’t be helped and at least the tenant made some effort to mitigate the situation by giving a heads up. We may not have the full facts, but based on what is presented, the LL has not gone about this the right way.


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    #297
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,163 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    the_syco wrote: »
    He has yet to evict them.

    Also, he has stored their stuff in a safe location! /s

    Ha?
    So if hasnt evicted them, what has he done?
    I presume you agree that he would have no right to remove their stuff while they were in bed some night, so if he hasnt evicted them, what gives him the right to remove their stuff while they are out of the house?


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    #298
    Claw Hammer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Hoboo wrote: »
    Like wheres my rent? Is everything ok? Is there an issue with payment? Are you alive? What will I do with the apartment? Even a call to say I'm fecking out your stuff.

    You know it, we all know it, chancing his arm with students. The deposit was just too big to resist.

    You haven't answered my question. If you got the same thing from your employer about your wages, would you still be working?


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    #299
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    ted1 wrote: »
    If I don’t get a reply , I assume the message wasn’t received.

    But then the landlord text the OP after removal of his possessions. Doesn't add up really does it.


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    #300
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    You haven't answered my question. If you got the same thing from your employer about your wages, would you still be working?

    CH you seem to be forgetting that we don't need a set of analogies to argue this one out. We have tenancy laws in place already.


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    #301
    lozenges
    Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭lozenges


    daithi7 wrote: »
    Yes, but imho it should be grounds to break a contract to provide services begging paid for, just like it would in any other commercial contract.

    Our politicians have just caved to lefty lobby groups, protecting morons like the OP & his housemates here imho.

    P.s. other examples of landlord / tenant inequality-
    - landlord must pay rtb registration, like why?
    - legally different terms given for notices for tenants to landlords versus landlords to tenants , why?
    - landlords can only ask tenants leave on certain grounds but tenants can leave for any reason, why?
    - % of rtb cases ruled against landlord, it's populist 'justice' if ever there was such!!
    - ability & mechanisms to pursue outstanding tenants after they leave property (maybe they should be precluded by the rtb from renting again until they've paid their arrears!?)
    - and while we're on it, since this is a landlord funded database, how about having access to a record of each& every tenant (&landlords) details (say on request) to have the ability to see how many rtb spats have been made against them, before letting them your expensively acquired & decorated property so that their errant ways and total sense of entitlement can start robbing you of rent due!?

    (Now that would be a fairer, better system for all imho)

    You asked what the tenants should expect. I would think that the bare minimum that should be expected, in any circumstance (property related or otherwise) is that all parties should obey the law.


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