CEO PIETA house yearly Salary ?

SIX PACK

Can anybody answer me this simple question. Couldn't get a straight answer on Google. Thanks in advance just about to Donate €50

Timberrrrrrrr

SIX PACK wrote: »

Can anybody answer me this simple question. Couldn't get a straight answer on Google. Thanks in advance just about to Donate €50

They do great work, do you expect him/her to work for free?

What's the cut off salary that will make you not donate?

BelovedAunt

Apparently the majority of their staff are paid awfully. Something like 26k for a psychotherapist whereas the CEO is on 125k I think.

Geuze

https://www.pieta.ie/governance/financials-annual-reports/


https://a.storyblok.com/f/63481/x/2fd8fd5de5/signed_fs_2018.pdf

Note 11 of the Accounts has staff expenditure.

For Forks Sake

Somewhere in the region of €120k I read somewhere earlier on.

Would appear to be backed up here: https://a.storyblok.com/f/63481/x/2fd8fd5de5/signed_fs_2018.pdf

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im surprised that the ireland reddit thread hasnt picked up much steam..

Geuze

2017 CEO = 95k

2018 CEO = 95k

See note 13.

punisher5112

Emergency services done Arun in cork yesterday morning for them... Up to 50 emergency vehicles lights going no sirens though....

If I see proper use of funds I'll contribute but feel the same as op, we have been burned for year's

SIX PACK

SIX PACK wrote: »

Can anybody answer me this simple question. Couldn't get a straight answer on Google. Thanks in advance just about to Donate €50

They’re not going to attract high calibre people capable of running it well and bringing in high level donors by offering peanuts.
Has be viewed as an investment that will pay substantially larger dividends to the overall funding of the charity in the long term.

I'm sure they do great work and have helped a lot of people. I personally wouldn't donate to them as I have had multiple negative experiences with them.

There are a lot of places that do similar work.

satguy

I stopped giving money to charities when I saw what big wages the head guys are on.

Angela Kerins was paying herself over 240K,, and we all know the carry on that was happening over there.

https://www.thejournal.ie/rehab-angela-kerins-1335670-Feb2014/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/rehab-chief-is-entitled-to-35-salary-bonus-260410.html

These people will never get a penny from me..

satguy

satguy wrote: »

I stopped giving money to charities when I saw what big wages the head guys are on.

Angela Kerins was paying herself over 240K,, and we all know the carry on that was happening over there.

https://www.thejournal.ie/rehab-angela-kerins-1335670-Feb2014/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/rehab-chief-is-entitled-to-35-salary-bonus-260410.html

These people will never get a penny from me..

I appreciate that. Charities who run as a business are pretty much the anthesis of what their "intention" is. Some are great but sadly the ones who pump a lot of donations into pr are the ones that get the lion's share.

auspicious

Offer high salaries and you get to pick the best qualified for the position. Those with a recorded 'wherewithal' to generate the best revenue stream/funding for the charity which is ideally the end goal.

anewme

Yet another thread with the romantic notion that charity workers work for free. The key KPI for a Charity CEO is to generate incremental revenue and they will be measured against that.

I often wonder who exactly people here are working working for - there are many middle managers in any type of industry (especially in Dublin) on 100-120K, which is what they were cribbing at a CEO getting.

Bizarre that people think in this day and age that a charity should be a mis-match of random "volunteers".

The Op should keep their 50 euro "donation", rather than hover for hours over the return key.

ChikiChiki

Pieta is a very well run organisation offering a vital service. Their fundraising drives and brand are quite strong as evidenced by DIL reaching all continents.

Compared with the Console spoofers, I think the salary has merit.

satguy

The ones on Sky News are the best,, they film some guy beating up some poor Donkey and makeing it carry bricks..

Then they ask us to give €2 a month to help it..

TheValeyard

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Pieta is a very well run organisation offering a vital service. Their fundraising drives and brand are quite strong as evidenced by DIL reaching all continents.

Compared with the Console spoofers, I think the salary has merit.

Pieta used to be a very well run organisation. I do have my doubts about the new current leadership. I wonder if its treated more like a business now, rather than its original ideals. But still a valuable service.

zerosugarbuzz

TheValeyard wrote: »

Pieta used to be a very well run organisation. I do have my doubts about the new current leadership. I wonder if its treated more like a business now, rather than its original ideals. But still a valuable service.

I also get this impression. I have a friend who was very depressed a few years ago who contacted them. They took his details and he got a call back 3 or 4 weeks later by which time he had got help elsewhere. Not sure if this is the norm, but I thought it was a bit lax for someone thinking of ending it all.

The Bishop Basher

Charities are the biggest con going in this country.

We are being taken for a ride by so many of them.

Jizique

auspicious wrote: »

Offer high salaries and you get to pick the best qualified for the position. Those with a recorded 'wherewithal' to generate the best revenue stream/funding for the charity which is ideally the end goal.

Speaking of Goal, that is an interesting story.
There seems to be a revolving door between the sector and the political arena - must attract the same characters. Didn’t Avril Power (mrs indo editor) take over at the cancer society after failing in multiple elections

Wildly Boaring

Geuze wrote: »

2017 CEO = 95k

2018 CEO = 95k

See note 13.

So 95k ok with you OP.

Fine by me

ShareShare

This is a fantastic organisation and i owe to them the lives of at least 2 people i care about. They were there for them a lot in the darker times they faced. Practically free too. I still donate to them years later. Family just completed a run in the the dark for them too.

95K for a CEO capable of running something this large, diverse, important, and generating income based on relationships with others.. Thats a good price.
Middle managers in a DIY shop can approach 2/3 of that. with about a 95% less responsibility domain.

zerosugarbuzz

Jizique wrote: »

Speaking of Goal, that is an interesting story.
There seems to be a revolving door between the sector and the political arena - must attract the same characters. Didn’t Avril Power (mrs indo editor) take over at the cancer society after failing in multiple elections

That sort of thing goes on a lot even with the CEO of Pieta House running for presidency lat time out and the CEO of Bernardos running previously. All these services should be run by the state as part of the health service.

ShareShare

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

That sort of thing goes on a lot even with the CEO of Pieta House running for presidency lat time out and the CEO of Bernardos running previously. All these services should be run by the state as part of the health service.

If i understand, These services types are run by the state, but people find them inadequate, and decided to voluntarily do better themselves. They get successful and big, and become part of the overall societal services. Some get government help, others try to stay detached from the government so they don't become part of the inefficient wheel.
If they all get run by the state, the new ones just appear just like these formed.

For instance, I once helped manage classes for meditation and anxiety management as a follow on for people using some voluntary services. We had no funding other than what people were generous to give. There is no way to absorb us into the state services because we are just private individuals helping others.

SIX PACK

SIX PACK wrote: »

Can anybody answer me this simple question. Couldn't get a straight answer on Google. Thanks in advance just about to Donate €50

Never mind them and give it to something like cancer or maybe one of the reputable places to donate for help with this pandemic.

zerosugarbuzz

ShareShare wrote: »

If i understand, These services types are run by the state, but people find them inadequate, and decided to voluntarily do better themselves. They get successful and big, and become part of the overall societal services. Some get government help, others try to stay detached from the government so they don't become part of the inefficient wheel.
If they all get run by the state, the new ones just appear just like these formed.

Not if it’s done properly, but that has yet to happen.

corner of hells

SIX PACK wrote: »

Can anybody answer me this simple question. Couldn't get a straight answer on Google. Thanks in advance just about to Donate €50

Keep your money OP , if you're looking for an answer in AH , it's a waste of time , charities are regularly kicked to death in AH with quotes about CEOs and anecdotal comments.
Try make an informed decision yourself .

corner of hells

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

I also get this impression. I have a friend who was very depressed a few years ago who contacted them. They took his details and he got a call back 3 or 4 weeks later by which time he had got help elsewhere. Not sure if this is the norm, but I thought it was a bit lax for someone thinking of ending it all.

Your friend rang Pieta House , said they were very depressed expressing suicidal ideation and they rang back four weeks later.

Pieta houses assesses on the basis of that initial contact and will tell you to contact emergency services and has for your contact number for a call back if they see there is an immediate risk.

The environment I work in means I have to training to recognise suicidal ideation and be able to recognise a risk rather than a throwaway comment.

TheCitizen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I appreciate that. Charities who run as a business are pretty much the anthesis of what their "intention" is. Some are great but sadly the ones who pump a lot of donations into pr are the ones that get the lion's share.

Yep. I have a serious problem with “charateeeeees”. It’s a cop out from the state that charity business is taking up the space of providing essential services and with charity’s being a cuthroat business most of the money raised is for salaries and expenses. They can have an impact raising awareness around issues to be fair, but any Ive got involved with and helped with fundraising etc. you can become cynical about the charity game when you realise you’re fundraising mainly for some CEO’s wages who is often rude to the young staff etc.

TheCitizen

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

They do great work, do you expect him/her to work for free?

What's the cut off salary that will make you not donate?

That’s not what he asked. If you can’t answer his question why are you responding with a smart arse reply

ZV Yoda

To the OP who wants to make a €50 contribution to help people with mental health problems - if you decide not to donate to Pieta House, what will you do with the €50 instead?

As sad and frustrating as it is, charities are set up to address societal & health problems that are not adequately addressed by government. In an ideal world, we would not need charities to help alleviate homelessness, mental heath issues, child abuse, cancer victims etc.

As a result of this, charities have to compete against each other for donations / funding. This is just like business and means charities need to recruit the best people to raise their profiles, maximise donations and run the organisations efficiently and effectively.

It is true that some execs have abused their positions and lined their own pockets. I don’t know how people like that can sleep at night.

I would much prefer if all of these problem areas were properly addressed by government from exchequer funds. The fact that we have so many charities in Ireland is an shameful indictment of failed government policy in these areas over decades of mis-management. Having so many charities competing against each other is inefficient and can hinder development of cohesive national strategies because of the conflicting objectives of each charity in their respective sectors.

But, having said all of that, we are where we are. From what I can see, Pieta have done an incredible job highlighting mental health issues. Darkness into Light is one of the highest profile charity events in the country. It brings families together, raises money to provide services and keeps mental health to the forefront of the public consciousness. I know people who have used the services of Pieta and they only have positive things to say about them.

As for the CEOs salary? €95k really is not a lot of money for running an organisation like Pieta. In fact, I’d suggest it’s money well spent. Many commercial businesses would pay multiples of that to a senior marketing VP - but how many of them have created and maintained a high profile national campaign like Darkness into Light?

So, if you have a beef with the government, use your vote to address that. If you have a beef with Pieta because their CEO is paid €95k, that’s up to you. Hopefully you’ll find some other way to use your €50 to help those with mental health issues.

TheCitizen

anewme wrote: »

Yet another thread with the romantic notion that charity workers work for free. The key KPI for a Charity CEO is to generate incremental revenue and they will be measured against that.

I often wonder who exactly people here are working working for - there are many middle managers in any type of industry (especially in Dublin) on 100-120K, which is what they were cribbing at a CEO getting.

Bizarre that people think in this day and age that a charity should be a mis-match of random "volunteers".

The Op should keep their 50 euro "donation", rather than hover for hours over the return key.

The op is entitled to ask the question, you seem to have a problem with him asking, why is that?

Shefwedfan

It’s trocaire and those boyos you should be asking about, not Pieta

Trocaire clean up and the government pump money into them, so do UK government and Europe last time I checked

For the amount of money at this stage given to this “charities” you would think some chnage might have happened in Africa but according to them it’s the exact same. So stop giving them money because that model doesn’t work

Seems they do get up to some “work” in these countries


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-aid-charities-fired-more-than-a-dozen-staff-over-sexual-misconduct-1.3395306%3fmode=amp

All My Stars Aligned

I think people mix up the use of the word charity with not-for-profit when discussing organisations like Pieta House. A charity is generally run by volunteers whereas non profit organisation are run by paid staff (often with the help of volunteers). Non profits are completely justified in paying competitive salaries as should they not the caliber of those running the organisations will not be fit to do so.

The problem with the non profit sector as I see it is that there two many organisation working in the same field with the result of duplication of administrative functions and such, using up funds that could be better spent. A prime example of this is in social housing with countless organisations offering the same services creating an administration heavy sector.

corner of hells

TheCitizen wrote: »

Yep. I have a serious problem with “charateeeeees”. It’s a cop out from the state that charity business is taking up the space of providing essential services and with charity’s being a cuthroat business most of the money raised is for salaries and expenses. They can have an impact raising awareness around issues to be fair, but any Ive got involved with and helped with fundraising etc. you can become cynical about the charity game when you realise you’re fundraising mainly for some CEO’s wages who is often rude to the young staff etc.

I've worked for four different charities, now under HSE remit.
I've met three CEOs , two on a regular basis over the years , I cant they were particularly rude , war weary and hardened maybe , but none of them suffered fools.

There is or was a problem with starry eyed individuals wanting to solve every problem overnight but when reality kicked in I.e. frontline work, nights , outreach they often disappear.

corner of hells

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

I think people mix up the use of the word charity with not-for-profit when discussing organisations like Pieta House. A charity is generally run by volunteers whereas non profit organisation are run by paid staff (often with the help of volunteers). Non profits are completely justified in paying competitive salaries as should they not the caliber of those running the organisations will not be fit to do so.

The problem with the non profit sector as I see it is that there two many organisation working in the same field with the result of duplication of administrative functions and such, using up funds that could be better spent. A prime example of this is in social housing with countless organisations offering the same services creating an administration heavy sector.

Theres a lot of housing associations now , but they are effective working in tandem with local authorities.

The difficulty I have with Pieta is the low money they pay their therapists. Skilled and experienced psychotherapists and psychologists should be paid more than 24k. Without them there would be no Pieta.

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

The op is entitled to ask the question, you seem to have a problem with him asking, why is that?

And we're entitled to ask the/any OP questions. They don't have to answer, in fact an OP can post and not bother to update... That's boards.ie for you. As it happens the person you replied to asked an astute question.

Deleted User wrote: »

The difficulty I have with Pieta is the low money they pay their therapists. Skilled and experienced psychotherapists and psychologists should be paid more than 24k. Without them there would be no Pieta.

That's not full time pay - the grades you're talking about seem to earn €45 per hour. Reasonable for part time work - so the OP's donation would pay for one hour of therapy.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And we're entitled to ask the/any OP questions. They don't have to answer, in fact an OP can post and not bother to update... That's boards.ie for you. As it happens the person you replied to asked an astute question.




That's not full time pay - the grades you're talking about seem to earn €45 per hour. Reasonable for part time work - so the OP's donation would pay for one hour of therapy.

€45 an hour for a session with a fully trained and accredited therapist really isn't great. It's a costly profession both in the getting there and in maintaining professional standards.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

€45 an hour for a session with a fully trained and accredited therapist really isn't great. It's a costly profession both in the getting there and in maintaining professional standards.

€45 p/h is just shy of €90k annualised. I'm okay with that level of pay for a professional working part time for a charity.

ednwireland

the real problem I see is that there appear to be multiples of every charity going round each one has a CEO and various expenses to cover salaries and running costs.
no idea what the solution is though because I'm sure these charities were set up with the best of intentions and there are a few of them who have made me cynical about all of them.

corner of hells

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The difficulty I have with Pieta is the low money they pay their therapists. Skilled and experienced psychotherapists and psychologists should be paid more than 24k. Without them there would be no Pieta.

I think a lot of therapists are restricted in the amount of hours they can work by their own professional bodies because of the nature of their work, it could be as little as 15 or 20 hours .Pieta has or had a lot of contract staff.

addaword

Deleted User wrote: »

€45 p/h is just shy of €90k annualised. I'm okay with that level of pay for a professional working part time for a charity.

Most people in the private sector work for only a fraction of that. A recession is long overdue in Ireland.

addaword

addaword wrote: »

Most people in the private sector work for only a fraction of that. A recession is long overdue in Ireland.

Psychologists and psychiatrists especially (have to be qualified doctor first) are not your average Joe.

addaword

satguy wrote: »

I stopped giving money to charities when I saw what big wages the head guys are on.

Angela Kerins was paying herself over 240K,, and we all know the carry on that was happening over there.

https://www.thejournal.ie/rehab-angela-kerins-1335670-Feb2014/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/rehab-chief-is-entitled-to-35-salary-bonus-260410.html

These people will never get a penny from me..

+1. A lot of people who work in "charities" have a sense of entitlement and expect people worse off than themselves to fund them.

There are almost 10,000 registered charities and a further 20,000+ organisations in Ireland's wider nonprofit sector. In such a small country, that says it all.

corner of hells

corner of hells wrote: »

I think a lot of therapists are restricted in the amount of hours they can work by their own professional bodies because of the nature of their work, it could be as little as 15 or 20 hours .Pieta has or had a lot of contract staff.

That's not the case. They can work as many hours as they like. It's really down to the therapist themselves. For example those who work deeply with trauma will more than likely limit their hours for the sake of their own mental wellbeing and the potential for vicarious trauma.

Masala

I can’t find a link...... but the facts behind the Ryanair onboard starch cards fir charity leaves a bad taste. Millions earned and sweet fa passed on..... the minimum by law.

corner of hells

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's not the case. They can work as many hours as they like. It's really down to the therapist themselves. For example those who work deeply with trauma will more than likely limit their hours for the sake of their own mental wellbeing and the potential for vicarious trauma.

I thought they were restricted, but could work privately after contract hours.
Though what you're saying makes sense.
I've a colleague who restricts what he does as therapist, but works separately away from practice.

corner of hells

addaword wrote: »

+1. A lot of people who work in "charities" have a sense of entitlement and expect people worse off than themselves to fund them.

There are almost 10,000 registered charities and a further 20,000+ organisations in Ireland's wider nonprofit sector. In such a small country, that says it all.

I'm posting from my yaught off Barbados as we speak.

El_Duderino 09

It's a large company with all the infrastructure and managerial demands that come with any large Company. The way to attract suitable candidates is to offer a pay package that reflects the demands of the job.

Some people think a charity should have volunteer workers. I remember plenty of times hearing people be surprised that Chuggers are paid workers. Like, who'd do that job for free?

I think the same sentiment is expressed when people call a job a "vocation". Calling someone else's job a vocation generally means you don't expect them to expect to be well paid. It's as if the reward is in the satisfaction they get for doing the job. It's often used for teachers, nurses and clergy and I think people expect people working in the charity sector to also work for poor wages.

That's not how it works. That's not how anything works. People work mostly for money. Pay peanuts...

cj maxx

addaword wrote: »

There are almost 10,000 registered charities and a further 20,000+ organisations in Ireland's wider nonprofit sector. In such a small country, that says it all.

That says alot.
For a small country we have alot of overlap in charities.