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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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    #2462
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    average_runner wrote: »
    Can say that about all exercising!! Some how we still don't push exercise enough or provide the right facilities

    Cycling is different though, in the sense that it displaces journeys by motorised trasport (which I assume is the reference to saving the planet).

    I regard swimming as probably superior exercise to cycling in many regards, but it doesn't help me do the shopping or bring the kids to school. Maybe for Aquaman.


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    #2463
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,529 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yeah, cycling can be leisure/sport/commute/utilitarian and exercise. maybe not all at the same time (i don't think you could competitively commute to work really); of course running can be many or all of these too, but cycling offers greater range and utility. and is easier for the elderly, or people who can't run easily.

    cycling does suffer from the drawback that it needs infrastructure runners don't necessarily need to worry about.


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    #2464
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,529 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    I regard swimming as probably superior exercise to cycling in many regards, but it doesn't help me do the shopping or bring the kids to school. Maybe for Aquaman.
    i dare you to write to the council asking that when busconnects proceeds, that swimming lanes are provided alongside.


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    #2465
    Macy0161
    Registered Users Posts: 9,442 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    yeah, cycling can be leisure/sport/commute/utilitarian and exercise. maybe not all at the same time (i don't think you could competitively commute to work really); of course running can be many or all of these too, but cycling offers greater range and utility. and is easier for the elderly, or people who can't run easily.
    I'm trying to get through to my teenager who "hates" cycling that it isn't just exercise, it's her getting to and from her pals when she wants!
    magicbastarder wrote: »
    cycling does suffer from the drawback that it needs infrastructure runners don't necessarily need to worry about.
    Runners don't need it as they just use cycle lanes!


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    #2466
    tomasrojo
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    of course running can be many or all of these too, but cycling offers greater range and utility. and is easier for the elderly, or people who can't run easily.

    Yeah, and cycling allows you to carry quite large loads that are tedious or difficult to run with, and it's an awful lot less effort than running, km for km.


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    #2467
    average_runner
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Yeah, and cycling allows you to carry quite large loads that are tedious or difficult to run with, and it's an awful lot less effort than running, km for km.




    In London, run commute is growing at a faster rate than any other form of commute!!! The only city in Europe though


    I don't really like running in the city, paths aren't in great shape.


    As for runners in cycle lanes, probably the same as cyclists on footpaths.


    When we go on hols in France, cyclists, runners and walkers share alot of the same area and it works so well.


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    #2468
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, I'm not having a go at running, or runners. I just can't run 30km a day carrying two kids, but I can cycle it.


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    #2469
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,738 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm not having a go at running, or runners. I just can't run 30km a day carrying two kids, but I can cycle it.
    You can't do it or you just haven't tried?


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    #2470
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    You can't do it or you just haven't tried?

    I don't think I could walk much further than the end of my street carrying an eleven-year-old and a nearly-nine-year-old.


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    #2471
    magicbastarder
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    it's amazing how quickly you adapt; i remember when we went camping (i'm talking in my early 20s to be fair), i walked half a mile to my friend's house with the rucksack, tent, etc. on my back, and fell in his front door with the effort.
    several days later, we got back and walked from heuston station to blanchardstown, with the same gear on our backs, and it was fine.


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    #2472
    average_runner
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm not having a go at running, or runners. I just can't run 30km a day carrying two kids, but I can cycle it.




    Interesting challenge!!!:D


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    #2473
    average_runner
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    it's amazing how quickly you adapt; i remember when we went camping (i'm talking in my early 20s to be fair), i walked half a mile to my friend's house with the rucksack, tent, etc. on my back, and fell in his front door with the effort.
    several days later, we got back and walked from heuston station to blanchardstown, with the same gear on our backs, and it was fine.




    That was just the norm back then. Walking miles home after the pub as wasn't going to pay for a taxi :)

    Its all too easy now!!


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    #2474
    tomasrojo
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    I do carry them up to bed sometimes if they fall asleep on the couch, but extrapolating from that to 7.5km journeys seems quite a stretch to me! Timewise too.

    If the school was a bit nearer, and on calmer roads, they'd be fine with running to school, or cycling. They do run home beside me quite a lot of the time, once we're on the calmer streets.


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    #2475
    magicbastarder
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    average_runner wrote: »
    That was just the norm back then. Walking miles home after the pub as wasn't going to pay for a taxi :)
    we used to walk home from the strawberry hall (the pub under the west link) to blanchardstown too.


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    #2476
    Thelonious Monk
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    https://twitter.com/LindsayPB/status/1389667595327049729

    I was only thinking about this recently, you can have any big f*ck off ugly vehicle in your garden or outside, but things like this are subjected to ridiculous laws.


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    #2477
    Type 17
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    If I were that family, I'd disassemble the shed and buy a £200 Transit or similar and put that in the front garden and store the bikes in the back of it (would be exempt from planning as it's not fixed structure) - there would soon be a neighbourhood petition to get the shed back...


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    #2478
    Thelonious Monk
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    I'd get the ugliest old Ford Transit yes and leave it there looking as horrible as possible to make a point.
    Does anyone use those boxes? I could do with one myself, but I doubt they're very secure?


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    #2479
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Does a van have to be roadworthy to be left in a driveway? Similar case in Mayo, as IrishCycle on twitter pointed out:
    Kenny claims that a Mayo County Council official told him that they would have no problem with keeping a van of the same size as the shed “as long as it was not within end of life”, so it would have to be roadworthy.
    https://irishcycle.com/2017/09/05/shed-for-cargo-bicycle-refused-permission-in-smarter-travel-town/


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    #2480
    Type 17
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Does a van have to be roadworthy to be left in a driveway? Similar case in Mayo, as IrishCycle on twitter pointed out:


    https://irishcycle.com/2017/09/05/shed-for-cargo-bicycle-refused-permission-in-smarter-travel-town/

    I think that the roadworthiness or not of any vehicle left on private property is of no concern to anyone. Sometimes dead vehicles in driveways are an eyesore, but that wasn't what was mentioned as an issue there.
    The shed in Mayo is (was?) a bit too tall to be ignored (does anyone know how things went?).
    The shed in Leicester is well-designed, lower than the surrounding hedges and made out of nice-looking materials - there should be no issue.


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    #2481
    Thelonious Monk
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    There has been a car parked on the footpath a few meters from my house for at least a year now, one of the tyres is flat. It's just mad how you can do that and no one cares, I've no idea who owns it.


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    #2482
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, I'm not a legal person in any way. I presume the county council official in the quote was referring to this or similar (it still does't make 100% sense to me though):

    the local authority is of the opinion that the condition of the vehicle is such that it is capable of being used as a vehicle or can, by the expenditure of a reasonable amount of money, be rendered capable of being so used
    a local authority may enter on any land upon which a vehicle has been abandoned and remove the said vehicle; a local authority shall not, other than with the consent of the occupier, enter into a private dwelling under this subsection unless it has given to the occupier of the dwelling not less than 24 hours notice in writing of its intended entry.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1996/act/10/section/71/enacted/en/html#sec71

    In practice, I've seen total wrecks left in the street for months, and in driveways for years

    EDIT: Declaring a vehicle off-road makes it an "end of life vehicle" according to another thread on Boards.


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    #2483
    tomasrojo
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    This registering vehicles off-road and storing on private property business is kind of complicated. I guess not many people do it for a vehicle they simultaneously have no plan to drive or plan to scrap or sell.


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    #2484
    average_runner
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/LindsayPB/status/1389667595327049729

    I was only thinking about this recently, you can have any big f*ck off ugly vehicle in your garden or outside, but things like this are subjected to ridiculous laws.




    In fairness, it fits in well there, hedges blocking it and a big tree in front of it.


    Might understand if it was an estate where no walls separate the gardens from the roads etc.


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    #2485
    Tombo2001
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/LindsayPB/status/1389667595327049729

    I was only thinking about this recently, you can have any big f*ck off ugly vehicle in your garden or outside, but things like this are subjected to ridiculous laws.

    Not to mention the hideosity of the paving people put in for their driveways.

    Cabra would be a prime example of this, a hotch potch of different pillars, gates, cobble driveways, concrete driveways, red brick cobbles, black brick cobbles and so on.

    Compared to when they were first built, and were all front gardens with railings.


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    #2486
    MojoMaker
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    Somebody complained to somebody with influence, in the case of Leicester I'd bet.

    That's a fine looking shed and would be an improvement to the eyeline on most streets. it's a curtain-twitcher who doesn't like the family or doesn't particularly like themselves.


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    #2487
    Grassey
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    There has been a car parked on the footpath a few meters from my house for at least a year now, one of the tyres is flat. It's just mad how you can do that and no one cares, I've no idea who owns it.

    We've had two cars moved from our estate this year that were abandoned.
    If it's been there over a year I doubt it's taxed/insured - gardai should shift it, they did the last one here.


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    #2488
    buffalo
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    MojoMaker wrote: »
    Somebody complained to somebody with influence, in the case of Leicester I'd bet.

    It's pretty straight forward to make a complaint about an unauthorised development to your local council here, no need for any influence. I presume it's the same in the UK.


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    #2489
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,529 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    modification to headline is mine:

    Section of Griffith Avenue cycleway was (previously) ruled out over safety - DCC admits
    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0505/1213976-part-of-griffith-ave-cycleway-was-ruled-out-over-safety/


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    #2490
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    There has been a car parked on the footpath a few meters from my house for at least a year now, one of the tyres is flat. It's just mad how you can do that and no one cares, I've no idea who owns it.
    buffalo wrote: »
    It's pretty straight forward to make a complaint about an unauthorised development to your local council here, no need for any influence. I presume it's the same in the UK.

    I am reliably told that removing the number plates before reporting to the council is a good way to have a vehicle removed. I am neither confirming or recommending this.


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    #2491
    Tombo2001
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    modification to headline is mine:

    Section of Griffith Avenue cycleway was (previously) ruled out over safety - DCC admits
    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0505/1213976-part-of-griffith-ave-cycleway-was-ruled-out-over-safety/

    You'd have to wonder why the national broadcaster is writing an article about this at all....there are roadworks all over the country that are costing substantially more than this one.

    What are you thinking if you are sitting in somewhere like Dunfanaghy or Edgeworthstown, and RTE/ Irish Times etc hasnt said a thing about your town for years; and yet cycle lanes in Glasnevin and Sandymount are being written about on a weekly basis.


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