Public service pay cut?

Wanderer78

EddieN75 wrote: »

You sound like the number 1 promoter of inflation. Can't have people saving money, make it lose its value. Spend spend spend debt debt debt

yes, we need inflation, as we re stuck in a cycle of little or no inflation, but high asset price inflation, this is unsustainable. yes exactly, spend spend spend, yes debt is the money supply, this process is called 'monetisation of debt'

griffdaddy

Going purely by demographics there's almost zero chance those early retirement rumours are true. The CS is facing a cliff edge in terms of officials reaching retirement age in the next couple of years - if anything they'll continue to increase recruitment, regardless of public finances.

EddieN75

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0412/1209497-cie-pensions/

Another mismanaged taxpayer funded money pit

AndrewJRenko

Dav010 wrote: »

No one said there has to be equivalency, if there was, private sector jobs would be as secure as PS. Did a private worker refer to any of those pay rises as “restoration”?

Don't really care what anyone else referred to them as. That doesn't change the facts. Public sector staff haven't got back the cuts made in 2009.

AndrewJRenko

EddieN75 wrote: »

A levy on public sector pay to be put towards paying off the pandemic payment those in the private sector received.
Public sector never lost a cent and usually it's the private sector paying for the public.
Solidarity

Never lost a cent? The 8% ASC deduction on my payslip disagrees with you.

DubInMeath

DubInMeath wrote: »

Talking of Guinness/Diageo. Are they still doing the highly subsidised medical care for their employees and their family members, including those on the Guinness pension?

I did a couple of jobs in the medical centre that they had on James street a good few years ago (up to 2009) and they were charging very little for family members given it was essentially a one stop shop having both GPs and a pharmacy in the one building.

For staff before a certain date, family still covered,not after.



I had a gym, pool, basketball court, GP, Pharmacy, physio, and a daily 3 course meal all free.

Oh and free product, limited, and heavily discounted after allowance...

beauf

beauf wrote: »

I'm not sure ending up on less money and working more hours would be considered a pay rise anywhere.

The PS is unrealistic in expecting to get that back. That ship has sailed. Likewise if you lost your job for what ever reason the advantage private sector has is mobility. You should move to an area that's boomed since.

So if you are unhapoy in the PS or the private sector, move to the other one.

I did

EddieN75

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Never lost a cent? The 8% ASC deduction on my payslip disagrees with you.

What does ASC mean?

AndrewJRenko

EddieN75 wrote: »

What does ASC mean?

Maybe you should have done some research before making incorrect claims?

https://pimbrook.ie/knowledge-base/6723/

Dav010

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe you should have done some research before making incorrect claims?

https://pimbrook.ie/knowledge-base/6723/

Pot. Kettle. Black.

EddieN75

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe you should have done some research before making incorrect claims?

https://pimbrook.ie/knowledge-base/6723/

Oh right it's a contribution towards your pension. Not really the same thing as someone losing their job is it?

Are the public sector complaining about having to contribute towards their overly generous pensions now! Jesus wept

Baggly

Baggly wrote: »

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Lifted after discussion with poster via PM

AndrewJRenko

EddieN75 wrote: »

Oh right it's a contribution towards your pension. Not really the same thing as someone losing their job is it?

Are the public sector complaining about having to contribute towards their overly generous pensions now! Jesus wept

Nope. Again, it would help if you had done some research.

It's not a contribution towards my pension. It doesn't go anywhere near my pension. This is in addition to the deduction for my pension (though not towards my pension) which was always in place.

ASC is the same for pre-2013 employees who get a decent pension and more recent employees who get the very poor Single Pension Scheme pension.

And you weren't talking about people losing their job. You were talking about people who 'never lost a cent', which is untrue.

am_zarathustra

JimmyVik wrote: »

Rumors now of early retirement going to be offered to those over 50 in the PS.
Wonder what the deal will look like for them.

sgsdfsdfsd wrote: »

Where did you hear this? In the past they have done this, on basis that it is cost neutral in the short to medium term, but hadn't heard it talked about in years. Hard to predict how many people would go for it (3 weeks pay per year service I think) and give up a permanent job in these times.

Given the chronic undersupply of teachers and nurses how on earth would this work? The peak of the population in education is only in primary still so we will consistently need more teachers over the next decade and there are already insane shortages. There are deputy and principal jobs going with no qualified applicants available. Taking a rake of teachers over 50 out would be devastating. That's before you start dealing with nurses and heath care professionals and specialist jobs like accountancy in revenue and other departments.

EddieN75

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Nope. Again, it would help if you had done some research.

It's not a contribution towards my pension. It doesn't go anywhere near my pension. This is in addition to the deduction for my pension (though not towards my pension) which was always in place.

ASC is the same for pre-2013 employees who get a decent pension and more recent employees who get the very poor Single Pension Scheme pension.

And you weren't talking about people losing their job. You were talking about people who 'never lost a cent', which is untrue.

It's for your pension.

"Never lost a cent" refers to the public sector salaried workers not losing out at all during the pandemic while private sector workers lost their jobs.

You think a deduction for pension from your salary is losing out.
The sense of entitlement is astounding

Treppen

EddieN75 wrote: »

It's for your pension.

"Never lost a cent" refers to the public sector salaried workers not losing out at all during the pandemic while private sector workers lost their jobs.

You think a deduction for pension from your salary is losing out.
The sense of entitlement is astounding

Why this pitting of public sector Vs private?

Believe it or not most of my public sector wages goes into the public and private sector! And your wages similarly.

This dog in a manger attitude is eating people up.

johnnyrotten

It doesn't go towards the pension

EddieN75 wrote: »

It's for your pension.

"Never lost a cent" refers to the public sector salaried workers not losing out at all during the pandemic while private sector workers lost their jobs.

You think a deduction for pension from your salary is losing out.
The sense of entitlement is astounding

KaneToad

EddieN75 wrote: »

It's for your pension.

"Never lost a cent" refers to the public sector salaried workers not losing out at all during the pandemic while private sector workers lost their jobs.

You think a deduction for pension from your salary is losing out.
The sense of entitlement is astounding

My understanding of the situation:

Public sector workers made a contribution of X for a pension of Y. They signed a contract on this basis.

Terms of contract were changed unilaterally. Public sector workers now pay X+1 for same pension of Y.

I don't know how this can be seen any other way than a reduction in pay. If it happened to me I would definitely see it that way.

SouthWesterly

EddieN75 wrote: »

It's for your pension.

"Never lost a cent" refers to the public sector salaried workers not losing out at all during the pandemic while private sector workers lost their jobs.

You think a deduction for pension from your salary is losing out.
The sense of entitlement is astounding

What do you think we've been doing for the past 12 months? Sitting on the sofa watching Richard and Judy repeats! O wait, that's the people who lost their jobs... The rest of us have been working keeping services going.

gameoverdude

SouthWesterly wrote:

What do you think we've been doing for the past 12 months? Sitting on the sofa watching Richard and Judy repeats! O wait, that's the people who lost their jobs... The rest of us have been working keeping services going.

Anyone watching that deserves a pay rise.

Geuze

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Don't really care what anyone else referred to them as. That doesn't change the facts. Public sector staff haven't got back the cuts made in 2009.

Andrew,

AFAIK, the pay restoration over the last four years or so has meant most PS are back to where they were before the pay cuts.

By most, I mean people below 100k.

I have seen a table about this in a PS pay agreement.

I will try to find it.

Geuze

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

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ASC is the same for pre-2013 employees who get a decent pension and more recent employees who get the very poor Single Pension Scheme pension.

Andrew,

the ASC has been revised/changed.

It is now not the same for pre and post Single PS staff.

Geuze

KaneToad wrote: »

My understanding of the situation:

Public sector workers made a contribution of X for a pension of Y. They signed a contract on this basis.

Terms of contract were changed unilaterally. Public sector workers now pay X+1 for same pension of Y.

I don't know how this can be seen any other way than a reduction in pay. If it happened to me I would definitely see it that way.

Correct.

The +1 is the PRD, now renamed ASC.

That is substantial, 10% of wages.

It has been reduced, as part of pay restoration.

It is now 10% of pay over 34k.

GSBellew

SouthWesterly wrote: »

What do you think we've been doing for the past 12 months? Sitting on the sofa watching Richard and Judy repeats! O wait, that's the people who lost their jobs... The rest of us have been working keeping services going.

That's not strictly true for all of the Public Service.

My wife is in the PS & she has worked full time through this, but, she was in another department before this, they've been off for 6 months now, I'm private sector & have worked full time through it all too, so we are lucky I guess.

I can see both sides, there are lower paid in the PS that should be left alone.

i don't buy into the pension contribution "pay cut" though.

To reverse the usual line, if you're still on 08 pay and it's better on the other side why haven't you applied?

Treppen

GSBellew wrote: »

That's not strictly true for all of the Public Service.

My wife is in the PS & she has worked full time through this, but, she was in another department before this, they've been off for 6 months now, I'm private sector & have worked full time through it all too, so we are lucky I guess.

I can see both sides, there are lower paid in the PS that should be left alone.

i don't buy into the pension contribution "pay cut" though.

To reverse the usual line, if you're still on 08 pay and it's better on the other side why haven't you applied?

You are paying an extra tax for no extra benefit.
The ASC doesn't impact whatsoever on a pension, no more than the rise on duty at the petrol pumps does.
Your net wage goes down.
Decrease wage = cut

JimmyVik

My Company stopped their 10% contribution to our pensions as part of cuts before.
I certainly considered that a pay cut.

AndrewJRenko

EddieN75 wrote: »

It's for your pension.

"Never lost a cent" refers to the public sector salaried workers not losing out at all during the pandemic while private sector workers lost their jobs.

You think a deduction for pension from your salary is losing out.
The sense of entitlement is astounding

It's nothing to do with your pension. They stuck that label on the pay cut to fool people. They're not fooling me. There is already two separate pension deductions.

Every public sector employee lost quite a few cents with ten years of extra deductions.

AndrewJRenko

Geuze wrote: »

Andrew,

AFAIK, the pay restoration over the last four years or so has meant most PS are back to where they were before the pay cuts.

By most, I mean people below 100k.

I have seen a table about this in a PS pay agreement.

I will try to find it.

You can get whatever table you like. The PRD / ASC is a cut to gross salary for public sector staff.

salonfire

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You can get whatever table you like. The PRD / ASC is a cut to gross salary for public sector staff.

Nope. It's an extra contribution to your pension so that the overall percentage of your salary that you contribute is in line with private sector norms.

Burkie1203

EddieN75 wrote: »

"Never lost a cent" refers to the public sector salaried workers not losing out at all during the pandemic while private sector workers lost their jobs.

Eh, public sector workers are still eh working

It's open to anyone to apply.