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Italy re-opening borders to tourists = Wave number 2 in Europe?

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    #122
    stephenjmcd
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    Spain aims to reopen borders to visitors around the end of June as its coronavirus lockdown fully unwinds.

    The government surprised its European Union partners by imposing a two-week quarantine on all overseas travellers and effectively keeping borders closed, saying that was needed to avoid importing a second wave of the virus.

    But the move was meant to be temporary and Transport Minister Jose Luis Abalos said it would be phased out in parallel with travel being allowed within Spain.


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    What Username Guidelines
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Spain aims to reopen borders to visitors around the end of June as its coronavirus lockdown fully unwinds.

    The government surprised its European Union partners by imposing a two-week quarantine on all overseas travellers and effectively keeping borders closed, saying that was needed to avoid importing a second wave of the virus.

    But the move was meant to be temporary and Transport Minister Jose Luis Abalos said it would be phased out in parallel with travel being allowed within Spain.

    TBH it makes sense, get your own house in order then open up. Gives them another 6 weeks to see what happens domestically. Far better approach than here with the attempt to recreate the South Korea model, but without masks, with a very long turnaround on testing and open borders with self-imposed quarantines. If cases can be kept low in Italy and Spain and they can see other countries with low case counts they can open up to who they want to.


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    bmc58
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    faceman wrote: »
    Crazy thought. What if this is the second wave? Given we now know the virus has been around a lot longer in some countries and the lack of transparency in the early days, it’s a possibility?

    Interesting theory.I pray that it could be correct.Otherwise we will soon be back to square one and our country will be ruined.


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    snowgal
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    faceman wrote: »
    Crazy thought. What if this is the second wave? Given we now know the virus has been around a lot longer in some countries and the lack of transparency in the early days, it’s a possibility?

    I think this has been discussed a good bit in the past few weeks, and there is a strong possibility that this is the second wave. The first being sometime Sept-Jan and the second wave from Feb-present. But there is no concrete evidence yet and they are still trying to trace back to patients in this earlier time frame to see can they link it.


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    wakka12
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    faceman wrote: »
    Crazy thought. What if this is the second wave? Given we now know the virus has been around a lot longer in some countries and the lack of transparency in the early days, it’s a possibility?

    No, it's not. Very few Europeans have antibodies, if it was around a long time and spreading for a long time, way more people would have antibodies. There was also no increease in excess death in any European countries before late Februaru


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    wakka12
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    snowgal wrote: »
    I think this has been discussed a good bit in the past few weeks, and there is a strong possibility that this is the second wave. The first being sometime Sept-Jan and the second wave from Feb-present. But there is no concrete evidence yet and they are still trying to trace back to patients in this earlier time frame to see can they link it.

    There may have been patients back then, but it is irrelevant either way as it was not spreading widespread before March. If there was already a wave, it was tiny and infected less than 1 in every 100 people in Europe


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    lainey_d_123
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    faceman wrote: »
    Crazy thought. What if this is the second wave? Given we now know the virus has been around a lot longer in some countries and the lack of transparency in the early days, it’s a possibility?

    Highly, highly unlikely.

    Given how serious Covid can be for a significant minority of people, it seems basically impossible that there could have been people dying from it in clusters without anyone noticing.

    I'd absolutely love to think you could be right, and the worst of it is behind us and it could now become a minor concern and a bad memory, but it just doesn't seem at all likely.


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