Grandpa is a kind, generous man but he's racist. Is he a bad person?

Dakota Dan

Larbre34 wrote: »

Using the term 'the Blacks' yourself isn't a great shout.

What exactly is the proper term nowadays?

Dakota Dan

I know a young man in his twenties that isn’t Irish who doesn’t like black people, Chinese people or Homosexuals and who uses other terms to describe them but couldn’t be put up here.

El_Duderino 09

StackSteevens wrote: »

I'm happy to I defer to your unrivalled expertise on international stereotyping.

However I would respectfuly suggest that your joke writing ability requires quite a bit of tweaking.

LOL. It wasn't my joke. You're not getting what's happening is funny though.

cgcsb

Almost everyone in the world is racist some extent, except blind people I suppose.

El_Duderino 09

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Kinda but not quite.
Ireland is a good example of how multiculturalism us a disaster for native culture.

As an example,. English is the most spoken language in Ireland,
What is the second most used language in Ireland?
Polish!!
Irish/Gaelic us third on the list!!

( Not being anti Polish, just giving an example )

I don't take it as anti-Polish. I get what you're saying. So what's the solution? Irish people learning Irish or Irish people keeping Polish people out?

What's the solution to Irish folklore dieing out? Keeping foreigners out or Irish people learning the stories and teachings the traditions to others (including the new Irish)?

Cobalt17

I hear you’re a racist now grandad!

jaxxx

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not too late to change his (your) worldview.

One suggestion right off the bat, try adopting the term "black people" instead of "the blacks".

Just a thought.

Or better yet, just "people".


Black, white, you can be f*cking purple for all the f*ck it matters, people are people. These words are just labels. You are what you are, and that is a homo f*cking sapien, no different to anyone else.

For as long as there's been diversity among our species, there's not a been human being that ever lived that never had racist thoughts at least once in their lives in their lives. The deal whether these thoughts are just comical in nature or whether they're from some inate hatred or belief of superiorism; in which case you need f*cking help!

Is superiorism a word? Well it is for this post anyway!

Odhinn

coinop wrote: »

My grandfather was born during the Emergency years in the 1940s and grew up in the 1950s when Ireland was destitute. All his hard life, he had to struggle for what little he had. However, he would happily go without so that his family was provided for. He is well-liked in the community and always has good humoured stories to share to brighten your day.

But he doesn't like the blacks. He mentions facts he sees on the news such as fewer than half of the Africans in Ireland actually work. I suppose he's bitter that he had to work so hard his whole life for what little he has while more than half Africans step off the plane and enjoy a life of leisure living off the Irish taxpayer.

How can I change his worldview or is it too late?

I don't believe a word of it. You're just using your imaginary "grandad" as a trojan horse for your own bigoted views.

jaxxx

Odhinn wrote: »

I don't believe a word of it. You're just using your imaginary "grandad" as a trojan horse for your own bigoted views.

So OP, Coinop, what are your [grandfather's] views on homosexuality then?

El_Duderino 09

kowloon wrote: »

Our history isn't in any way affected.
As for our current culture, I have two issues with many of the people saying it needs to be preserved: Firstly, culture isn't a static thing, it changes, that's how culture works. The people entrenched in keeping things the same have something in common with the people who harp on about cultural appropriation. Hopefully, the good ideas and practices spread and the bad ones die out.
The second issue is this idea that there's some sort of monolithic culture that you need to fit in to. People vary wildly, and while we generally have more in common with groups we're more closely a part of, from a group of friends right up to an entire nation, the variance of people is so wide I doubt you could ever pin down anything beyond a few traits or vague concepts.

The richness is in the learning, knowing and sharing the old traditions. It doesn't mean going backwards or wanting to go back to the old days. For me it's about keeping the past alive through learning about it but living our lives in the present and looking to the future.

The new Irish are absolutely no issue for me. My culture isn't so brittle that it can be harmed by existence of people with other cultures.

kowloon

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The richness is in the learning, knowing and sharing the old traditions. It doesn't mean going backwards or wanting to go back to the old days. For me it's about keeping the past alive through learning about it but living our lives in the present and looking to the future.

The new Irish are absolutely no issue for me. My culture isn't so brittle that it can be harmed by existence of people with other cultures.

Not disagreeing with you, like I said: The history is unaffected. As for the new Irish, their biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Their culture will adapt to serve us.

El_Duderino 09

kowloon wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you, like I said: The history is unaffected. As for the new Irish, their biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Their culture will adapt to serve us.

Too right it will.
Resistance, is futile

cfuserkildare

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don't take it as anti-Polish. I get what you're saying. So what's the solution? Irish people learning Irish or Irish people keeping Polish people out?

What's the solution to Irish folklore dieing out? Keeping foreigners out or Irish people learning the stories and teachings the traditions to others (including the new Irish)?

Possibly stopping the EUs enforced acceptance of immigrants?

El_Duderino 09

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Possibly stopping the EUs enforced acceptance of immigrants?

And how will that help with promoting Irish culture?

I'd see promoting Irish culture and the existence of other cultures as being completely separate issues.

Motivator

screamer wrote: »

A lot of Irish people are pc in public and racist in private. Someone’s views don’t particularly bother me, as I have my own. The racism towards travellers in Ireland actually disgusts me most, not even racism pure unadulterated hate towards them.

I despise tinkers, absolutely despise them. That doesn’t make a racist. It probably makes me a bad person but they are scum and I won’t apologise for it. They add nothing to the country, the bring no value to society in any way.

Giraffe Box

Motivator wrote: »

I despise tinkers, absolutely despise them. That doesn’t make a racist. It probably makes me a bad person but they are scum and I won’t apologise for it. They add nothing to the country, the bring no value to society in any way.

Get off that fence!

Strumms

I don’t have a problem with anyone on this fûcking planet, unless they give me a problem or a reason to dislike them...

Then I will dislike them because of what they did or who they are.

Disliking a person because of ethnicity or where they are from or the symbol on their passport is moronic.

If I was to write a list of every single person whom i genuinely have a disliking for, the VAST majority are in fact Irish..

Those who are not, like the Irish I dislike , I dislike genuinely because of what they did, how they treated me or others etc...

The asshole gene doesn’t discriminate.

Maybe people think there are too many asylum seekers here. If you think that, it’s not racist. If you said you ‘hated’ asylum seekers, they should be drowned etc, racist for sure.

If somebody had a genuine concern regarding the numbers of asylum seekers here and the country’s capacity to accept and accommodate them all, that’s not racist. Unfortunately there are ‘some’ on the left of left who would have us believe otherwise.

You can make efforts to accept, help and integrate a vast number of asylum seekers / immigration applicants but if anybody suggests ‘needing’ to limit the numbers due to space / economic reasons etc due to wanting to maintain the ability to provide for and grant opportunity to our own Irish people who may have fallen on hard times the accusations fly from ‘some’ quarters...

Better Than Christ

Motivator wrote: »

I despise tinkers, absolutely despise them. That doesn’t make a racist. It probably makes me a bad person but they are scum and I won’t apologise for it. They add nothing to the country, the bring no value to society in any way.

You should have pretended that your horrible old bigoted grandad, who brings no value to society, despises Travellers.

BalcombeSt4

coinop wrote: »

My grandfather was born during the Emergency years in the 1940s and grew up in the 1950s when Ireland was destitute. All his hard life, he had to struggle for what little he had. However, he would happily go without so that his family was provided for. He is well-liked in the community and always has good humoured stories to share to brighten your day.

But he doesn't like the blacks. He mentions facts he sees on the news such as fewer than half of the Africans in Ireland actually work. I suppose he's bitter that he had to work so hard his whole life for what little he has while more than half Africans step off the plane and enjoy a life of leisure living off the Irish taxpayer.

How can I change his worldview or is it too late?

But if they were white Boers from South Africa hed be grand with it?

The small few African-Irish I do know all work.

BalcombeSt4

Motivator wrote: »

I despise tinkers, absolutely despise them. That doesn’t make a racist. It probably makes me a bad person but they are scum and I won’t apologise for it. They add nothing to the country, the bring no value to society in any way.

Maybe you should tell them that to their faces & explain why, instead of hiding behind a screen.

cfuserkildare

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

But if they were white Boers from South Africa hed be grand with it?

The small few African-Irish I do know all work.

One thing we have to remember us that from waayyyy back, even before any contact with the African nations,. Black was seen as bad.
Not just black people, but simply anything Black.

Exodus 1811

cfuserkildare wrote: »

One thing we have to remember us that from waayyyy back, even before any contact with the African nations,. Black was seen as bad.
Not just black people, but simply anything Black.

Are you alright?

maniac2003

Gimme a break and your grandad too. Different times dont compare oranges and apples they aint the same, different times different mindsets, sick of the snowflakes being offended by everything the older generation did or do, you know what in sone cases we/they knew no better and still do not but they are not bad people.

I get that we're all bored, but threads like this should have zero replies. It's disappointing that stuff like this is given oxygen.

Jim Root

Poor quality thread this

RandomViewer

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Start off by insisting he call them African-Americans instead of blacks.

I'd be guessing he uses the other word

Chris_Heilong

Everyone is different, as long as he is not hateful or wishes harm on people of other races then he is fine, dislike does not equate to hate and sometimes it is all to do with non exposure to that race/culture.

bb1234567

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I'll excuse the older generation for their out dated stereotypical views but if you judge someone by the color of their skin and are under 60 you are, quite frankly, pond life.

Whatever about an opinion, if that opinion leads to mistreatment or aggression towards somebody because of their race, and it often does, it is completely inexcusable no matter what age

Necro

Motivator wrote: »

I despise tinkers, absolutely despise them. That doesn’t make a racist. It probably makes me a bad person but they are scum and I won’t apologise for it. They add nothing to the country, the bring no value to society in any way.

Mod: Under the laws of this country, it actually does.
Folks the tone of the posts in this thread isn't great, we've deleted posts already. Stray into this sort of territory again and cards will follow.

Friendly mod warning.

Feisar

Necro wrote: »

Mod: Under the laws of this country, it actually does.
Folks the tone of the posts in this thread isn't great, we've deleted posts already. Stray into this sort of territory again and cards will follow.

Friendly mod warning.

I know one is not meant to question Mods in thread however it's more the point you raised about the law I'm asking about. I don't believe thoughts can be a crime. The poster despises a group, that's a thought. As long as they keep it to themselves to foul or am I wrong.

El_Duderino 09

maniac2003 wrote: »

Gimme a break and your grandad too. Different times dont compare oranges and apples they aint the same, different times different mindsets, sick of the snowflakes being offended by everything the older generation did or do, you know what in sone cases we/they knew no better and still do not but they are not bad people.

Not necessarily bad people. Just racist. And racist isn't a good quality, is it?

Like, when Santa does his annual Naughty Vs Nice ledger on each person, racism doesn't go in the nice side of the ledger. And I'm pretty sure it goes on the naughty side.

Mad_maxx

screamer wrote: »

A lot of Irish people are pc in public and racist in private. Someone’s views don’t particularly bother me, as I have my own. The racism towards travellers in Ireland actually disgusts me most, not even racism pure unadulterated hate towards them.

The pandering by the state towards travellers disgusts me

Pure contempt towards the middle Ireland taxpayers

El_Duderino 09

bb1234567 wrote: »

Whatever about an opinion, if that opinion leads to mistreatment or aggression towards somebody because of their race, and it often does, it is completely inexcusable no matter what age

Or if it leads to teaching others to hold a negative opinion or mistrust of a race of people. That's a pretty bad outcome.

Baggly

Feisar wrote: »

I know one is not meant to question Mods in thread however it's more the point you raised about the law I'm asking about. I don't believe thoughts can be a crime. The poster despises a group, that's a thought. As long as they keep it to themselves to foul or am I wrong.

Thinking and saying racist things makes people a racist. Hence the reference to 'it does' in Necros response.


Mod

This thread is not great and definitely doesn't belong in AH. I suggest people reach the rules of the forum with regards to light heartedness. This one is closed. Thanks.