Should the 14 day quarantine for tourists and Irish remain?

It's ignored here anyway and as Europe appears to be at the same stages or thereabouts, if you are allowing travel then I see no issue in allowing mixing when here.

Flickerfusion

Iceland introduced an approach where you can either do a 14 day quarantine, be tested or provide proof that you have been recently tested.

titan18

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Doubtful, we're still an EU member state and all that entails with it including travel.

Brussels would probably get involved if a country opened up to everyone except Ireland.

It's still a month away and a long way to go yet. In the meantime anyone who fancies a trip to Germany can do so in 2 weeks time

I mean UK are also still an EU state, and loads of countries are already doing it.

Greece are only allowing certain countries in on June 16 of which Ireland isn't one. Norway and Denmark have the travel bubble thing going. Croatia have opened up to certain countries only.

It's going to be pretty common for countries to exclude those who haven't got cases fully under control imo.

stephenjmcd

titan18 wrote: »

I mean UK are also still an EU state, and loads of countries are already doing it.

Greece are only allowing certain countries in on June 16 of which Ireland isn't one. Norway and Denmark have the travel bubble thing going. Croatia have opened up to certain countries only.

It's going to be pretty common for countries to exclude those who haven't got cases fully under control imo.

Greece are basing their decision off each countries situation, theres alot of countries they've decided aren't allowed in yet.

Our numbers haven't been low enough for long enough for them to be sure they could let us in with low enough risk.

Greece will add more countries to their list in July and if we continue on our current trend then there's no reason we wouldn't be let in. They also aren't fully open in June, only certain airports can be used. If you wanted to go to the islands you couldnt

TheDriver

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Greece are basing their decision off each countries situation, theres alot of countries they've decided aren't allowed in yet.

Our numbers haven't been low enough for long enough for them to be sure they could let us in with low enough risk.

Greece will add more countries to their list in July and if we continue on our current trend then there's no reason we wouldn't be let in. They also aren't fully open in June, only certain airports can be used. If you wanted to go to the islands you couldnt

Makes you wonder should we be under reporting like a lot of countries seem to be doing?

maestroamado

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I think the Spanish government know the difference between the UK and Ireland so to say they think we're Brits is a bit of an exaggeration.

My point was the Spanish Government don't care where we from as long as we have "dinero"
We are lumped in with UK as they and us are not part of Shengen...

TheDriver

maestroamado wrote: »

My point was the Spanish Government don't care where we from as long as we have "dinero"
We are lumped in with UK as they and us are not part of Shengen...

Unless they use the EU CDC green and red zone lark. Plus autonomous regions might do otherwise

Flickerfusion

titan18 wrote: »

I mean UK are also still an EU state, and loads of countries are already doing it.

Greece are only allowing certain countries in on June 16 of which Ireland isn't one. Norway and Denmark have the travel bubble thing going. Croatia have opened up to certain countries only.

It's going to be pretty common for countries to exclude those who haven't got cases fully under control imo.

The U.K. isn’t still an EU state. It’s formally left the EU In January and is in a transition period that extended EU rules and regulations for 12 months. So it’s quite up in the air potentially.

Flickerfusion

titan18 wrote: »

I'd assume if any countries ban UK, they ban us due to the common travel area.

France gave us the Cead Mile Bienvenue anyway:


https://twitter.com/franceinireland/status/1257258019164958720?s=21

Flickerfusion

maestroamado wrote: »

My point was the Spanish Government don't care where we from as long as we have "dinero"
We are lumped in with UK as they and us are not part of Shengen...

That’ll actually change quite drastically as the U.K. is no longer an EU member and EU citizenship rights are already extinguished, but just extended for the transition period until January.

If London doesn’t extend a transition period beyond that, which looks likely, Ireland will be in a rather small category of being in the EU but not Schengen.

Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia and Cyprus have all indicated they wish to join ans are obliged to do so anyway as they joined the EU after Schengen came into being. Ireland will be the only EU country opted out of Schengen.

It would almost make more sense for Ireland to issue and recognise Schengen visas. We don’t operate a CTA visa system really anyway, well there’s an extension to Irish and British tourism / business visas for Indian and Chinese nationals that allows them to visit the other country as a tourist, but beyond that there’s nothing.

Also Schengen visas only apply to short stay stuff, residency, work permits and citizenship is still a domestic matter for each member state.

What would seem logical would be for Ireland to adopt Schengen for all but the external border bit - recognising and issuing Schengen visas but maintaining an external check to enable the CTA.

I can’t see how it makes any difference to the U.K. as we could already issue someone with a visa that they wouldn’t necessarily agree with and anyone entering Ireland from the EU can enter and live freely anyway, without checks.

Also Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are Schengen members. Two are in the EEA, and the Swiss use a hodgepodge of bilateral agreements.

The U.K. check on all of that is really done using access to employment, welfare, housing (info gathered if you rent) etc etc it’s very unlikely they won’t be allowing free access for EU tourism/business on a 90 day visa waiver anyway. So for most people nothing will change, unless they are trying to live or work in the U.K.

titan18

Flickerfusion wrote: »

France gave us the Cead Mile Bienvenue anyway:


https://twitter.com/franceinireland/status/1257258019164958720?s=21[/uel]

I don't think French are stopping any EU citizens. They're doing the full EU open up like Germany and Italy

faceman

titan18 wrote: »

I don't think French are stopping any EU citizens. They're doing the full EU open up like Germany and Italy

Didn’t they tell the Brits that they’d make them quarantine unless the Brits dropped quarantine?

morchgally

snoopboggybog wrote: »

I got a call today confirming my address where I'm staying and someone may be out over the 14 days. Scare mongering at its finest.

Any updates since that phone call? Thanks

Bulgaria has opened up fully and has no quarantine restrictions for visitors. They had very low number of infections and deaths.

damian01211

So one of our family members had to go to Poland via Germany for funeral of her father.
She'll be back on Friday and there's no way we can get her to to self quarantine on her own as we don't have facilities to do it.
She will be at home with all of us, so is there actually any one checking if you're quarantining yourself? If not is there actually any penalty that they would legaly put towards her? I know that all the people she was next too on the trip didn't have a single symptoms nor had coronavirus before.

I know she would like to come back to work straigh away and I'm 100% sure her boss would love that too as he doesn't have anyone to replace her with at the moment.

She didn't have to quarantine in Poland just incase.

Benimar

damian01211 wrote: »

So one of our family members had to go to Poland via Germany for funeral of her father.
She'll be back on Friday and there's no way we can get her to to self quarantine on her own as we don't have facilities to do it.
She will be at home with all of us, so is there actually any one checking if you're quarantining yourself? If not is there actually any penalty that they would legaly put towards her? I know that all the people she was next too on the trip didn't have a single symptoms nor had coronavirus before.

I know she would like to come back to work straigh away and I'm 100% sure her boss would love that too as he doesn't have anyone to replace her with at the moment.

She didn't have to quarantine in Poland just incase.

Many will disagree with me and tell her to go ahead, that the chances she has it are very slim.

Maybe, but they are not zero.

Could you not give her a room in the house with access to a bathroom. She doesn’t have to be in a separate building.

Also, no way she should go back to work. If she’s desperate, get a test after a couple of days and if negative go back then.

damian01211

Benimar wrote: »

Could you not give her a room in the house with access to a bathroom. She doesn’t have to be in a separate building.

Probably we could, I've presume if shes within that room the rest of the household are free and don't have to quarantine with her.

Benimar wrote: »

If she’s desperate, get a test after a couple of days and if negative go back then.

How do you do it? I thought testing was only available to people that had a letter from GP.

If she gets it and she's free I've presume the entire household could come back to regular live and she wouldn't have to quarantine?
How long does the results take.

beachhead

The 14 day self isolating regime makes no sense at all unless you are escorted in full hazmat from your arrival port to secure facility and kept there for the duration.

undertaker fan 88

Cant see the 14 day quarantine lasting past the 1st of July. I plan on booking a holiday to the canaries this week for august. Would have stayed here but places we usually booked for 600 are not 1485 for the same time. No thanks

Benimar

damian01211 wrote: »

Probably we could, I've presume if shes within that room the rest of the household are free and don't have to quarantine with her.



How do you do it? I thought testing was only available to people that had a letter from GP.

If she gets it and she's free I've presume the entire household could come back to regular live and she wouldn't have to quarantine?
How long does the results take.

As long as she has no contact with you, the rest of the household can go on as normal.

I’d imagine you might need a friendly GP to get you a test, but given there is capacity you might get one to sign off on ‘symptoms’. Results taking less than 2 days at present, but she would probably need to wait a couple of days before taking the test just in case she actually did catch it in Poland!

Mortelaro

damian01211 wrote: »

So one of our family members had to go to Poland via Germany for funeral of her father.
She'll be back on Friday and there's no way we can get her to to self quarantine on her own as we don't have facilities to do it.
She will be at home with all of us, so is there actually any one checking if you're quarantining yourself? If not is there actually any penalty that they would legaly put towards her? I know that all the people she was next too on the trip didn't have a single symptoms nor had coronavirus before.

I know she would like to come back to work straigh away and I'm 100% sure her boss would love that too as he doesn't have anyone to replace her with at the moment.

She didn't have to quarantine in Poland just incase.

City west hotel is available for this
It's where you are told to go on arrival if you've nowhere to self isolate
The department of health has it on lease

Mortelaro

Mortelaro wrote: »

City west hotel is available for this
It's where you are told to go on arrival if you've nowhere to self isolate
The department of health has it on lease

Needs a gp letter
Shouldn't be a problem
https://www2.hse.ie/services/coronavirus-self-isolation-facilities/

stephenjmcd

Mortelaro wrote: »

Needs a gp letter
Shouldn't be a problem
https://www2.hse.ie/services/coronavirus-self-isolation-facilities/

City West won't accept anyone thats coming into the country to isolate, had a friend asked last week for his partner who's due to return to Ireland and they said no, its purely for confirmed cases who can't isolate, step down facility for those who were in hospital and close contacts with no symptoms who can't self isolate while waiting for test / results.

Its not a general isolation facility for those coming into the country as self isolation isn't mandatory. That was straight from the HSE and the GP he contacted

Mortelaro

stephenjmcd wrote: »

City West won't accept anyone thats coming into the country to isolate, had a friend asked last week for his partner who's due to return to Ireland and they said no, its purely for confirmed cases who can't isolate, step down facility for those who were in hospital and close contacts with no symptoms who can't self isolate while waiting for test / results.

Its not a general isolation facility for those coming into the country as self isolation isn't mandatory. That was straight from the HSE and the GP he contacted

No use so

damian01211

Oh fair enough so, we'll give her a spare room.
I've read that quarantine is only mandatory till the 18th of June and I didn't see anything about extending it.
So I've presume if there won't be a mandatory quarantine they won't be doing any check nor penalties and you're free to go.

stephenjmcd

damian01211 wrote: »

Oh fair enough so, we'll give her a spare room.
I've read that quarantine is only mandatory till the 18th of June and I didn't see anything about extending it.
So I've presume if there won't be a mandatory quarantine they won't be doing any check nor penalties and you're free to go.

Its not even mandatory. Mandatory to fill in the form. The self isolation is a guideline

damian01211

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its not even mandatory. Mandatory to fill in the form. The self isolation is a guideline

You're actually true, I just checked the gov.ie and citizeninformation websites and they both mention that you're are gonna be asked to self-isolate, not a single thing about begin a mandatory thing.

Even on the official form all the penalties are about giving a false information on the form, nothing about prison or penalty for not isolating.

Fantastic, that means we don't really have to stay home, even employer of one of family members can't block that person into coming to work.

stephenjmcd

damian01211 wrote: »

You're actually true, I just checked the gov.ie and citizeninformation websites and they both mention that you're are gonna be asked to self-isolate, not a single thing about begin a mandatory thing.

Even on the official form all the penalties are about giving a false information on the form, nothing about prison or penalty for not isolating.

Fantastic, that means we don't really have to stay home, even employer of one of family members can't block that person into coming to work.

Yeah the person doesn't have to self isolate, now of course better to limit movements and not be meeting loads of people and work from home where possible.

damian01211

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah the person doesn't have to self isolate, now of course better to limit movements and not be meeting loads of people and work from home where possible.

Of course thats true but because its not mandatory it helps entire family as I thought we all have to be stuck at home for 2 weeks.

Let's hope this entire showdown is over soon and we can comeback to normal life

Benimar

damian01211 wrote: »

Of course thats true but because its not mandatory it helps entire family as I thought we all have to be stuck at home for 2 weeks.

Let's hope this entire showdown is over soon and we can comeback to normal life

Nobody other than your sister was ever going to have to quarantine, even if they did enforce it on her.

As another poster said though, she should really look at restricting contacts for a few days, and maybe not go back to work straight away, just in case.