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    #422
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    JPF82 wrote: »
    Portal I'm guessing as we were all emailed the PDF of subject codes and student levels. The PDF wasn't something that was scanned in our school by the quality of it.

    Printed from the portal I'd say. Ours were sent in via post, photocopied version. Weird.


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    #423
    Moody_mona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Moody_mona


    Legend Numerous Fig wrote: »
    Many who dropped after the mocks wouldn't have been changed on the official system. They were probably registered for HL when they logged in to the portal and decided to just leave it. Even if in reality they had agreed to drop, and possibly even moved classes.

    Exactly, I have plenty of Foundation Level students since the mocks, but it doesn't count as them moving up since they're officially considered Ordinary Level still.


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    #424
    RealJohn
    Registered Users Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭RealJohn


    Lindsey Happy Asphalt wrote: »
    Hi - just wondering what you mean by submitting ‘New’ Form As.....students can only choose to move down levels.
    I filled out form As for everyone last week, at the levels I thought they’d take. I filled out two in the cases of students I thought might go either way.

    These two, I had hoped, would have looked back at their results and had the sense to choose ordinary level, on the basis that there is no way anyone would look at their results and think they should do higher level. Clearly, they didn’t come to that conclusion, and unfortunately for them, that means they’re getting H8s. I had only done out form As for them at ordinary level last week, because I didn’t expect them to remain at higher level.


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    #425
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    I've had students move up a level, never mind down!


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    #426
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Aren't principals brilliant. Telling the silly teachers not to worry about such silly little things.

    "“It’s going extremely smoothly,” says one principal. “Once teachers got over the fact that it is was happening, they rallied quickly. They know their students well and have no problem coming up with an accurate grade.”

    Another adds: “Teachers have had to sit down, put in a huge amount of time and use their professional judgment ... but, listen, if you can’t mark your own kids, you should just pack up and leave your job.”

    Some principals say they have had to adjust inflated grades in some subjects to bring them into line with school records over recent years."

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/it-s-going-extremely-smoothly-school-principals-on-leaving-cert-grading-1.4273088?mode=amp

    Part of the next Covid park negotiations on pay cuts I presume.


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    #427
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    That Irish Times article could be a little more condescending


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    #428
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Thank god this year is over !
    I wonder what news Friday evenings memo will have for us .........I think it will all be moot anyway . The way things have gone with the countries “roadmap “ over the last week I think we will be fully back or back in fill lockdown by September

    I saw an article earlier about Dublin city playgrounds. The gist of it is the council are refusing to supervise or sanitize the playgrounds. They are opening them and leaving it up to parents to ensure sanitation and social distancing .
    We will be blessed if we don’t get hit with a second wave .
    Country has lost the run of itself over the last week


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    #429
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Hearing reports of very generous grades flowing in from external tutors.


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    #430
    2xj3hplqgsbkym
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭2xj3hplqgsbkym


    We were told we have to go into the school to find out the level out students have selected! Surely it can be sent in an email - that’s what other schools are doing right?


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    #431
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Leilani Juicy Marmot wrote: »
    We were told we have to go into the school to find out the level out students have selected! Surely it can be sent in an email - that’s what other schools are doing right?

    Yeah, emailed today. Your school might be worried about GDPR


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    #432
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Yeah, emailed today. Your school might be worried about GDPR

    Thought that word has been consigned to history!!


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    #433
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Jesus, what a disaster. That Irish Times article is a horrible read and those comments from principals are despicable.

    The Dept took this long to get their sh1t together and now my principal wants me to get the paperwork back to him by 11th.

    Not surprised about the fabulous grades coming from external teachers - I saw a post on social media by an individual advertising the subjects she could provide predicted grading in. I mean ..... what is the point?

    I will completely lose my sh*t if this is even mentioned as a potential way of reforming the LC.


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    #434
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Jesus, what a disaster. That Irish Times article is a horrible read and those comments from principals are despicable.

    The Dept took this long to get their sh1t together and now my principal wants me to get the paperwork back to him by 11th.

    Not surprised about the fabulous grades coming from external teachers - I saw a post on social media by an individual advertising the subjects she could provide predicted grading in. I mean ..... what is the point?

    I will completely lose my sh*t if this is even mentioned as a potential way of reforming the LC.

    For a fee no doubt.


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    #435
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Jesus, what a disaster. That Irish Times article is a horrible read and those comments from principals are despicable.

    The Dept took this long to get their sh1t together and now my principal wants me to get the paperwork back to him by 11th.

    Not surprised about the fabulous grades coming from external teachers - I saw a post on social media by an individual advertising the subjects she could provide predicted grading in. I mean ..... what is the point?

    I will completely lose my sh*t if this is even mentioned as a potential way of reforming the LC.

    So essentially advertising that they can provide a fake result?


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    #436
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    For a fee no doubt.

    I would imagine so, yes. Not sure if the ad is still up (will check) but I screenshot it so have a copy.


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    #437
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    So essentially advertising that they can provide a fake result?

    Yes


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    #438
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    The IT article is a disgrace, but not in the slightest bit unexpected. The comments are either entirely fake, or authentic. Both scenarios are equally plausible I think. And that says it all about the standard of IT education coverage, and about widespread serious issues with the attitude of school managers.


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    #439
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭acequion


    The comment that would really worry me is this one,

    "It’s prudent to expect a system like this will still be in place next year.”

    We could have a right battle on our hands!

    Meanwhile it's now 9th June and we're still not finished and no one even bats an eyelid. Exceptional circumstances not even mentioned, all taken for granted. You'd have to be worried about the long term implications.


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    #440
    soso02
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭soso02


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Not surprised about the fabulous grades coming from external teachers - I saw a post on social media by an individual advertising the subjects she could provide predicted grading in. I mean ..... what is the point?

    Bananleaf, I would urge you report said individual. This must be flagged with the department. If unwilling, would you mind passing on relevant info to me.


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    #441
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Deadline for completion of school stage is 19th of June, Friday week. I haven’t even started yet.


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    #442
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    soso02 wrote: »
    Bananleaf, I would urge you report said individual. This must be flagged with the department. If unwilling, would you mind passing on relevant info to me.

    I'm ashamed to say that the thought of reporting it never even entered my head.

    I've no problem reporting it. All I have is a screenshot of the post with the posters name. I dont know who the person is, they just posted it to a community noticeboard if that makes sense. They do have their place of work on their profile and it is a private Dublin language school, so that might be of interest to Dept because now that I reread the screenshot the poster says that "we can provide a predicted grade"


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    #443
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    I'm ashamed to say that the thought of reporting it never even entered my head.

    I've no problem reporting it. All I have is a screenshot of the post with the posters name. I dont know who the person is, they just posted it to a community noticeboard if that makes sense. They do have their place of work on their profile and it is a private Dublin language school, so that might be of interest to Dept because now that I reread the screenshot the poster says that "we can provide a predicted grade"

    That'll be enough to track them down seeing as all teacher's have to put their name on Form A.


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    #444
    Alex86Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭Alex86Eire


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Deadline for completion of school stage is 19th of June, Friday week. I haven’t even started yet.

    All our finished forms have to be signed off by management today. I'm glad to get rid of them in fairness.


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    #445
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    All our finished forms have to be signed off by management today. I'm glad to get rid of them in fairness.

    So all amendments re levels had to be done by teachers and sent in today?


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    #446
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    All our finished forms have to be signed off by management today. I'm glad to get rid of them in fairness.

    Hopefully the process will be ironed out properly for this time next year.


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    #447
    Alex86Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭Alex86Eire


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    So all amendments re levels had to be done by teachers and sent in today?

    Yes. We were encouraged to have our drafts of our forms completed last week so there wasn't much to do when it came to changing of levels.


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    #448
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Treppen wrote: »
    Hopefully the process will be ironed out properly for this time next year.

    Hopefully this never happens again. System not built for it.

    Hope they look at changes to papers for next year if we won't have time to get full courses done.


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    #449
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Hopefully this never happens again. System not built for it.

    Hope they look at changes to papers for next year if we won't have time to get full courses done.
    This is probably the most sensible route
    Maybe introduce more choice on each paper


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    #450
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Hopefully this never happens again. System not built for it.

    Hope they look at changes to papers for next year if we won't have time to get full courses done.

    It was reported on the indo today that if there is a second wave that the country won’t go into lockdown and that includes keeping schools open.

    I just don’t think the government can afford it. I think we will be business as usual for the most part in September


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    #451
    fall
    Registered Users Posts: 926 ✭✭✭fall


    Levels were returned to schools by post yesterday morning. Schools were not given a digital copy. The portal to input the calculated grades opened at 12 yesterday but we couldn’t get on until today. It closes on the 19th and Management are expected to look at every form before the rank and grades are inputted by the exam aide. We have 200 for Leaving Cert. The paperwork is colossal.
    Most of our staff handed their forms in today.


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