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    #452
    LW2018
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭LW2018


    fall wrote: »
    Levels were returned to schools by post yesterday morning. Schools were not given a digital copy. The portal to input the calculated grades opened at 12 yesterday but we couldn’t get on until today. It closes on the 19th and Management are expected to look at every form before the rank and grades are inputted by the exam aide. We have 200 for Leaving Cert. The paperwork is colossal.
    Most of our staff handed their forms in today.


    Isn’t there so much paperwork involved. I began yesterday and I still haven’t gotten through each subject (comparing form As to the relevant Bs)... have spent time emailing as students were registered for wrong subjects and then issues with external subjects etc. Some errors on the forms too by some teachers that require change.

    Then management will have to look at the Bs before the inputting I suppose. Haven’t even looked at the portal yet - putting off even logging in. I’ve the subject ID list made but going to write them on it once I’ve one final check on the Bs. Dreading the inputting


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    #453
    deiseindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    Some schools still having issues with getting a username to access the portal.


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    #454
    fall
    Registered Users Posts: 926 ✭✭✭fall


    Took us ages to log in and numerous phone calls. Trying to do a timetable and recruitment on top of this. It is madness.


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    #455
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    No gdpr/confidentiality issues for dept with them posting names and levels .......


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    #456
    Mmmml80
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Mmmml80


    For the Form A do teachers tick the reasonable accommodation box for all students? Teachers in our school confused about this. Do we tick for all because it reads to some as a reasonable accommodation would be taken into account if applicable. Thanks


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    #457
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Mmmml80 wrote: »
    For the Form A do teachers tick the reasonable accommodation box for all students? Teachers in our school confused about this. Do we tick for all because it reads to some as a reasonable accommodation would be taken into account if applicable. Thanks

    As far as I know, you only tick box for students who were granted reasonable accommodation


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    #458
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭acequion


    Mmmml80 wrote: »
    For the Form A do teachers tick the reasonable accommodation box for all students? Teachers in our school confused about this. Do we tick for all because it reads to some as a reasonable accommodation would be taken into account if applicable. Thanks

    I was confused over the same thing today and was told by my principal that you only tick "yes" where the student was granted the reasonable accommodation. For every other student you tick" not applicable."


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    #459
    fall
    Registered Users Posts: 926 ✭✭✭fall


    km79 wrote: »
    No gdpr/confidentiality issues for dept with them posting names and levels .......

    It was exam numbers and levels. No names. Made the process even slower.


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    #460
    man_no_plan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭man_no_plan


    km79 wrote: »
    No gdpr/confidentiality issues for dept with them posting names and levels .......

    They were posted the same way leaving cert exam numbers and leaving cert results are.

    If they want to take responsibility for that thats their baby. I wouldn't take the chance personally. But levels are hardly sensitive if you are comparing it to posting form A and form B


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    #461
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    fall wrote: »
    It was exam numbers and levels. No names. Made the process even slower.

    Oh yes our course
    Seems silly they insisted on posting them
    Like the way they insist on posting paper wage slips !


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    #462
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    A lot of teachers seem to have ticked the reasonable Accomodations box as yes for the whole class...Im assuming this is an error that needs correcting.


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    #463
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Treppen


    km79 wrote: »
    Oh yes our course
    Seems silly they insisted on posting them
    Like the way they insist on posting paper wage slips !

    Definitely stay with paper.
    I've kept all my payslips for the last ten years!


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    #464
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    A lot of teachers seem to have ticked the reasonable Accomodations box as yes for the whole class...Im assuming this is an error that needs correcting.

    Would assume so. A student either has a reasonable accommodation or they don't


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    #465
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Would assume so. A student either has a reasonable accommodation or they don't

    Christ almighty..


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    #466
    joebloggs32
    Registered Users Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    Treppen wrote: »
    Hopefully the process will be ironed out properly for this time next year.

    I've heard a few reports of parents of 5th year students challenging results being sent out in summer reports.
    Looks like some parents are getting ready for predicted grades next year.


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    #467
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    A lot of teachers seem to have ticked the reasonable Accomodations box as yes for the whole class...Im assuming this is an error that needs correcting.

    It is
    I don’t understand the confusion with it tbh


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    #468
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Treppen wrote: »
    Definitely stay with paper.
    I've kept all my payslips for the last ten years!

    It’s completely inefficient from the dept point of view.
    From a covid safety pov it’s also silly.
    From a personal it’s much easier store a few years of payslips electronically.

    It’s up there with the asti sending out their newsletters Etc as paper instead of digital only. At least they have seen sense now


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    #469
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    km79 wrote: »
    It is
    I don’t understand the confusion with it tbh

    Sorry. Just double checking.

    The amount of these forms that are completed incorrectly is staggering.


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    #470
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭acequion


    km79 wrote: »
    It’s completely inefficient from the dept point of view.
    From a covid safety pov it’s also silly.
    From a personal it’s much easier store a few years of payslips electronically.

    It’s up there with the asti sending out their newsletters Etc as paper instead of digital only. At least they have seen sense now

    Agree completely. There's no justification in this digital age for cumbersome slips of paper. I know the digital age has its disadvantages, but the ability to store neat, easily accessible records is a huge plus and should now be utilised fully, imo.


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    Alex86Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭Alex86Eire


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    A lot of teachers seem to have ticked the reasonable Accomodations box as yes for the whole class...Im assuming this is an error that needs correcting.

    I don't think it'll matter that much. I thought the question was quite vague. I expect many people have ticked yes for everyone. The form A and Bs will be staying in the school anyway unless there's an appeal.


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    #472
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    I don't think it'll matter that much. I thought the question was quite vague. I expect many people have ticked yes for everyone. The form A and Bs will be staying in the school anyway unless there's an appeal.

    Im in total agreement, however, say there's an appeal and some teachers have ticked no under the RACE box when the student does in fact have a reasonable Accomodation. That's when it's possible trouble might arise.

    I don't think management will go to the hassle of changing all these considering they are kept on site, although I could be wrong.


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    #473
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Treppen


    km79 wrote: »
    It’s completely inefficient from the dept point of view.
    From a covid safety pov it’s also silly.
    From a personal it’s much easier store a few years of payslips electronically.

    It’s up there with the asti sending out their newsletters Etc as paper instead of digital only. At least they have seen sense now

    Well it came up when my mum was retiring and the public sector department she worked for were claiming she had only X amount of service done, not too sure of the details but in the end it came down to one period in the 80s where they claimed she never worked! She sent in copies and it was case closed.

    Same story with a colleague moving from different areas of education (prison/third level/special schools) looking for increment/recognition of service. One of the areas closed down and naturally enough all records went to the dump :pac: . Department said she would get X increment and she assumed they had taken it into account until she did a double check a few months later. Again it came down to payslips.

    I've had enough run ins with the department myself and they throw out bull**** info in their records about me that I have to correct them, usual response is "well that's what we have on file here" as if I'm making it up. Only way they believe me is when I say "I'm looking at my payslips right now for those dates". Absolutely zero faith in their IT system.
    For me it's like E-voting, if I don't see it it didn't count.

    I'd still be in favour of ASTI hard copy newsletter to some extent. When it's there on the table around a bunch of teachers then it seems to have more relevance.


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    #474
    Mmmml80
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Mmmml80


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Im in total agreement, however, say there's an appeal and some teachers have ticked no under the RACE box when the student does in fact have a reasonable Accomodation. That's when it's possible trouble might arise.

    I don't think management will go to the hassle of changing all these considering they are kept on site, although I could be wrong.

    Nearly every teacher in my school ticked the Yes for the reasonable accommodation option, thinking it would be applied if necessary. Principal making everyone redo every single Form A. I understand the danger of ticking No when the student is entitled to it, but this is just a waste of time. No damage is done to any student surely, the reasonable accommodation is just not given if it’s not applicable?


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    #475
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Sorry. Just double checking.

    The amount of these forms that are completed incorrectly is staggering.

    How do you know? Are you a principal checking the forms?


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    #476
    Moody_mona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Moody_mona


    Mmmml80 wrote: »
    Nearly every teacher in my school ticked the Yes for the reasonable accommodation option, thinking it would be applied if necessary. Principal making everyone redo every single Form A. I understand the danger of ticking No when the student is entitled to it, but this is just a waste of time. No damage is done to any student surely, the reasonable accommodation is just not given if it’s not applicable?

    But no further reasonable accommodation is applied. It's asking did you the teacher take into consideration Johnny's reasonable accommodation and the answer to that is either yes you did or its not applicable.


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    #477
    LW2018
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭LW2018


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Im in total agreement, however, say there's an appeal and some teachers have ticked no under the RACE box when the student does in fact have a reasonable Accomodation. That's when it's possible trouble might arise.

    I don't think management will go to the hassle of changing all these considering they are kept on site, although I could be wrong.

    We are clarifying with teachers via email if a change needs to be made to a small error on form and getting this confirmation in writing from the teacher in an email. Any errors with grades / rank order or a signature missing has had to be signed / changed in person. There is a lot of admin bits to do alongside the checking of the forms! Bracing myself for the Portal tomorrow


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    #478
    RealJohn
    Registered Users Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭RealJohn


    I ticked yes for reasonable accommodations for everyone. It says “any approved reasonable accommodations”. I took it into account where they were approved. I don’t know if anyone applied and wasn’t approved, so I don’t know who ‘not applicable’ necessarily applies to, but ‘yes’ is the appropriate box for everyone, as far as I’m concerned.


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    #479
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Just wondering with regards to the Calculated Grade Aide, how was the person appointed in other schools? We were told it was recommended they don't teach 6th year but recommended by whom I'm not sure, anyone else come across this?


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    #480
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    RealJohn wrote: »
    I ticked yes for reasonable accommodations for everyone. It says “any approved reasonable accommodations”. I took it into account where they were approved. I don’t know if anyone applied and wasn’t approved, so I don’t know who ‘not applicable’ necessarily applies to, but ‘yes’ is the appropriate box for everyone, as far as I’m concerned.

    The only reasonable accommodations approved would be things like smaller centres or scribe or spelling and grammar waiver if it applies to your students. Only those students who had applied and qualified should have been ticked. Every other student should have been marked as n/a. At least that’s what we were very clearly told today by management. We were provided with the list several weeks ago before we started writing our form A’s


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    #481
    LW2018
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭LW2018


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    Just wondering with regards to the Calculated Grade Aide, how was the person appointed in other schools? We were told it was recommended they don't teach 6th year but recommended by whom I'm not sure, anyone else come across this?

    Offered to the usual Exam Aide first in our place. I'm sure it would have been opened up too all staff otherwise though. It isn't documented anywhere that they shouldn't be teaching LC


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