The Ongoing Issue of Feral Youths Running Amok in Dublin

jimmycrackcorm

1 sheep2 wrote: »

I baulk at the use of language like feral. These are humans, after all, who will go home and help their parents with the dishes, play football with their younger siblings, and so on.

I think we can safely assume that these kids do not help they're parents with the dishes at home...

SoSolidFool

Blueshoe wrote: »

Want a clamp down on crime and the little scrotes running riot?

It has to start at the top. There is no right wing party in Ireland. There should be. That's the problem right there.

End the welfare and softly softly approach. Ignore the outrage merchants

Right wing parties are not what we need, **** racist muppets they're an embarrassment.

We need a party that aren't racist ****wits while at the same time sensible on welfare.

r93kaey5p2izun

My experience is that the Gardai have lost the trust of many of the good people in these areas. This through a combination of failing to tackle the scumbags, while hassling and treating badly those who are not part of the problem. These people now feel abandoned and also don't trust the Gardai. This makes any belated attempts at community policing futile, and leaves the organisation now facing a much more difficult task than if they had worked properly with these communities over the years.

At the same time, I have found that community groups that traditionally tackle the root causes of youth disengagement and antisocial behaviour, have been increasingly infiltrated by criminal elements in some areas. I would fear just as much for young relatives involved in the local football club and youth club in terms of bad influence and grooming, as I would if they just hung around the park or shops.

SoSolidFool

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I think we can safely assume that these kids do not help they're parents with the dishes at home...

You are giving the parents too much credit in saying that they cook. These families live off takeaways and microwavable dinners.

Tesco's realised that these morons are so goddamn lazy that if they set up tesco expresses all over these areas with higher prices they would still boom because the welfare recipients are too lazy to go the extra distance to larger, more affordable supermarkets.

Speaking of which, the amount of delivery drivers being attacked is a joke. Some poor immigrant working his ass off to raise a family being viciously assaulted by feral gangs is becoming all too common.

Blueshoe

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Right wing parties are not what we need, **** racist muppets they're an embarrassment.

We need a party that aren't racist ****wits while at the same time sensible on welfare.

Talk about stereotyping. That's far right parties you are thinking of.

SoSolidFool

Aadhya Tight Cookbook wrote: »

My experience is that the Gardai have lost the trust of many of the good people in these areas. This through a combination of failing to tackle the scumbags, while hassling and treating badly those who are not part of the problem. These people now feel abandoned and also don't trust the Gardai. This makes any belated attempts at community policing futile, and leaves the organisation now facing a much more difficult task than if they had worked properly with these communities over the years.

At the same time, I have found that community groups that traditionally tackle the root causes of youth disengagement and antisocial behaviour, have been increasingly infiltrated by criminal elements in some areas. I would fear just as much for young relatives involved in the local football club and yough club in terms of bad influence and grooming, as I would if they just hung around the park or shops.

It's a lose lose. If they do a soft glove approach then they are not tackling the scumbags but if they become heavy handed then they are being hassling and needlessly aggressive.

I mean that scumbag Clayton allegedly got a smack at 17 years old for going up to a garda car and calling them bitches. This is a kid with a litany of convictions and all round scumbag. For me that is exactly what is needed. There are **** all countries in the world where you can talk to the police like that. It wouldn't be tolerated in Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Germany in areas where the police are required to be tough, it wouldn't be tolerated even in normal areas in Spain, Italy, France and Portugal.

Honestly the scum should be terrified of the police force. They should be thinking twice of going into areas like Portmarnock to terrorise innocent people because of the consequences. They should know that abusing a member of our police force will result in a slap.

I genuinely think they would tread a lot more carefully if they knew they were going to get a beating when the guards caught up with them. Those 30 kids who punched a number of innocent civilians in Portmarnock, terrorised a pensioner couple and even attacked a former Garda should be rounded up and shown that their actions have consequences.

They can take lumps out of each other all they want but the minute they start ****ing around with actual hard working innocent bystanders they should get their just desserts.

Ballso

Blueshoe wrote: »

Want a clamp down on crime and the little scrotes running riot?

It has to start at the top. There is no right wing party in Ireland. There should be. That's the problem right there.

End the welfare and softly softly approach. Ignore the outrage merchants

Can you point us to examples of these right wing no-crime havens there chief?

This thread is full of the usual hysterical bed-wetters afraid of their own shadow. They've been with us as long as urban youth has. Pathetic stuff.

Redgirl82

If they don't want to punish the kids then take it on parents. It is the parents fault in all these situations

Kids damage something: Stop children allowance till its paid for.\
Kid doesn't go to school: Stop children allowance
Kid is a little s**t: stop children allowance

Only way to get at these parents is take money off them

Blueshoe

Ballso wrote: »

Can you point us to examples of these right wing no-crime havens there chief?

This thread is full of the usual hysterical bed-wetters afraid of their own shadow. They've been with us as long as urban youth has. Pathetic stuff.

There will always be crime. There has to be an attitude to tackle it too.
As I said it comes from the top. The softly softly approach politicians don't have that attitude. It filters down.

Op reckons there are gangs of up to 30 headbangers going around with hammers. I suppose something should probably be done about that

SoSolidFool

Ballso wrote: »

Can you point us to examples of these right wing no-crime havens there chief?

This thread is full of the usual hysterical bed-wetters afraid of their own shadow. They've been with us as long as urban youth has. Pathetic stuff.

Yeah its definitely always been the case that body parts would get thrown around Dublin estates and in the space of 5 days there would be 5 shootings.

Things are getting worse, guns are more readily available and the 'urban youth' are definitely more aggressive. I've grown up around it and definitely not a hysteric wet the bed. It's something I've gradually witnessed and it has really amplified in the last year for whatever reason.

r93kaey5p2izun

SoSolidFool wrote: »

It's a lose lose. If they do a soft glove approach then they are not tackling the scumbags but if they become heavy handed then they are being hassling and needlessly aggressive.

I mean that scumbag Clayton allegedly got a smack at 17 years old for going up to a garda car and calling them bitches. This is a kid with a litany of convictions and all round scumbag. For me that is exactly what is needed. There are **** all countries in the world where you can talk to the police like that. It wouldn't be tolerated in Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Germany in areas where the police are required to be tough, it wouldn't be tolerated even in normal areas in Spain, Italy, France and Portugal.

Honestly the scum should be terrified of the police force. They should be thinking twice of going into areas like Portmarnock to terrorise innocent people because of the consequences. They should know that abusing a member of our police force will result in a slap.

I genuinely think they would tread a lot more carefully if they knew they were going to get a beating when the guards caught up with them. Those 30 kids who punched a number of innocent civilians in Portmarnock, terrorised a pensioner couple and even attacked a former Garda should be rounded up and shown that their actions have consequences.

They can take lumps out of each other all they want but the minute they start ****ing around with actual hard working innocent bystanders they should get their just desserts.

I don't think it is a lose lose if they do things properly. I personally experienced years of Garda harassment because of where I grew up. I have never committed a crime, never gave a Garda cheek. I'm a law abiding, productive member of society. I don't trust the Gardai and I feel let down by them as an organisation. The fact that someone like me feels like that based on experience means they have failed.

Pkiernan

We are now reaping what far left policies have sown.

Unlimited free dole, unlimited suspended sentences.
Not working? Go on, have 10 illegitimate kids. Johnny Taxpayer has you covered.
Here's a free house next to your ma, who never worked a day I her life.

How could it be any other way?

Ballso

Sure I Dont Know wrote: »

Dublin is full of scummy knackers. If you can't see that then you must be one of them.

Do you wear adult diapers every time you go out in case you **** yourself when you see a kid in a tracksuit? Sad ****. If you got a few slaps for yourself you certainly deserved them with your scummy attitude

Ballso

Blueshoe wrote: »

There will always be crime. There has to be an attitude to tackle it too.
As I said it comes from the top. The softly softly approach politicians don't have that attitude. It filters down.

Op reckons there are gangs of up to 30 headbangers going around with hammers. I suppose something should probably be done about that

Where's the right wing low crime havens then?

Rodin

Nobody in the country is held responsible for their behaviour.
This is nationwide, spans all ages and many facets of life.

The gardai are disillusioned because the govt/judiciary are soft. Every conviction someone has is a successful garda prosecution but where is the punishment/disincentive? Not the guards fault there.

Feisar

It's not the Gardaí that are soft but our bleeding heart society.

SoSolidFool

Pkiernan wrote: »

We are now reaping what far left policies have sown.

Unlimited free dole, unlimited suspended sentences.
Not working? Go on, have 10 illegitimate kids. Johnny Taxpayer has you covered.
Here's a free house next to your ma, who never worked a day I her life.

How could it be any other way?

Here's some solutions.

(1) Child allowance payments are limited to 2 per family.

(2) Legal Aid is subtracted from future welfare payments

(3) Single mother allowance is scrapped (they already have child allowance)

(4) In cases where a child under 18 has been found guilty of a violent crime it will be mandatory for the victim of that crime to be compensated by the parents of that child

(5) After one year of unemployment there is a reduction in your welfare.

(6) Social housing given to the actually homeless not a scrote who decides he wants to move out of his parents house and have his own house down the road (if they want that then they can get a job like the rest of us)

(7) If you are convicted of a criminal offence there will be a 10% reduction in your social welfare payments for a period of 5 years

(8) Those able bodied and on welfare payments are put to work at least once a week doing social works such as cleaning up parks, assisting in works on public schools, delivering food to the homeless etc.

(9) Social welfare cut completely where CAB have determined that household income is supplemented by illegal activities such as drug dealing. In order to have welfare payments restarted the local Gardai and CAB must be confident that all illegal activities have stopped.

(10) Child allowance stopped for a period of a year when the child is convicted of a serious offence.

(11) Single mother allowance (if not scrapped completely) is discontinued where it is shown that the recipient has been living with a long term partner

Rodin

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I think we can safely assume that these kids do not help they're parents with the dishes at home...

You can't wash a brown, greasy bag

armaghlad

Ballso wrote: »

Where's the right wing low crime havens then?

America

iamstop

Pkiernan wrote: »

We are now reaping what far left policies have sown.

Unlimited free dole, unlimited suspended sentences.
Not working? Go on, have 10 illegitimate kids. Johnny Taxpayer has you covered.
Here's a free house next to your ma, who never worked a day I her life.

How could it be any other way?

You lost me at 'illegitimate kids'.

shootermacg

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Here's some solutions.

(1) Child allowance payments are limited to 2 per family.

(2) Legal Aid is subtracted from future welfare payments

(3) Single mother allowance is scrapped (they already have child allowance)

(4) In cases where a child under 18 has been found guilty of a violent crime it will be mandatory for the victim of that crime to be compensated

(5) After one year of unemployment there is a reduction in your welfare.

(6) Social housing given to the actually homeless not a scrote who decides he wants to move out of his parents house and have his own house down the road (if they want that then they can get a job like the rest of us)

(7) If you are convicted of a criminal offence there will be a 10% reduction in your social welfare payments for a period of 5 years

(8) Those able bodied and on welfare payments are put to work at least once a week doing social works such as cleaning up parks, assisting in works on public schools, delivering food to the homeless etc.

(9) Social welfare cut completely where CAB have determined that household income is supplemented by illegal activities such as drug dealing. In order to have welfare payments restarted the local Gardai and CAB must be confident that all illegal activities have stopped.

(10) Child allowance stopped for a period of a year when the child is convicted of a serious offence.

(11) Single mother allowance (if not scrapped completely) is discontinued where it is shown that the recipient has been living with a long term partner

China called, they want you there stat!

SoSolidFool

shootermacg wrote: »

China called, they want you there stat!

It is people like you that are part of the problem.

Talking about making reductions in one of the most generous welfare payments in the world is now akin to being a police state?

Why don't you tell me which policies you disagree with?

Blueshoe

SoSolidFool wrote: »

It is people like you that are part of the problem.

Talking about making reductions in one of the most generous welfare payments in the world is now akin to being a police state?

Why don't you tell me which policies you disagree with?

I would leave all welfare payments in place for those who need it. What's the point in having a successful economy if we can't help out those who require a leg up.

However those who break the rules or abuse the system need to be cut off from payments or at least reduced.

It's simple enough

Atlantic Dawn

iamstop wrote: »

You lost me at 'illegitimate kids'.

Kids where the fathers name has been deliberately not disclosed on the childs birth cert so the father never has to pay a single cent in maintenance for their kids for their entire life. Usually said father(s) will be 'secretly' living in the same council provided house.

StackSteevens

iamstop wrote: »

You lost me at 'illegitimate kids'.

Despite the fact that you knew exactly what he was getting at, you decided that rather than participate in the discussion this would be a good time to pull on your freshly ironed PC boxer shorts.

SoSolidFool

Blueshoe wrote: »

I would leave all welfare payments in place for those who need it. What's the point in having a successful economy if we can't help out those who require a leg up.

However those who break the rules or abuse the system need to be cut off from payments or at least reduced.

It's simple enough

Do you think that the welfare should be reduced after one year of unemployment?

There is disability payment for those not able to work so this would only be directed at people who are flat out refusing to work.

Silentcorner

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Kids where the fathers name has been deliberately not disclosed on the childs birth cert so the father never has to pay a single cent in maintenance for their kids for their entire life. Usually said father(s) will be 'secretly' living in the same council provided house.

That is only one scam....there are a ball of them...all the while, young hard working families have to have two working parents forking out huge money for childcare and mortgages/rent they can barely afford and have to commute often hours a day missing out on some of the best of times with their children.

Young mothers working full time has to be the hardest position of them all...that is really difficult, the state doesn't care about women who put the child's fathers name on the birth cert!!!

But let's all carry on like nothing is wrong with that...

Widye

I dont think we will ever properly deal with the knock on effects of a feral underclass in this country. For too long its been treated as out of sight, out of mind.

Now, gangs of violent, dangerous, armed youth are leaving their areas and attacking the public.

What is it going to take for a government to crack down not just on the gangs, but on the causes.

God help you if you happen to cross paths with them and they are out for violence.

SoSolidFool

Feisar wrote: »

It's not the Gardaí that are soft but our bleeding heart society.

I agree but it isn't just that the Guards are disillusioned with soft sentencing or are afraid of getting into trouble if they are a bit rough, that plays a massive role of course but at the end of the day many of our Gardai are genuinely afraid of people in these areas. You can see it in how they don't walk around these estates, take lip all day long from the kids, even the other day a mother and a skinny scrote intimidated the gardai in their own station into letting their kid go.

The kids aren't scared of them either, they actively make a mockery of them and even attack them.

Those kids running around attacking people for the last 3 days should get the **** beaten out of them by the Public Order Unit. Get them when they're all out on the green and show no mercy. If they want to be scumbags then they can do it in their own estate. Let the parents deal with the feral vermin they raised.

Jinglejangle69

Silentcorner wrote: »

That is only one scam....there are a ball of them...all the while, young hard working families have to have two working parents forking out huge money for childcare and mortgages/rent they can barely afford and have to commute often hours a day missing out on some of the best of times with their children.

Young mothers working full time has to be the hardest position of them all...that is really difficult, the state doesn't care about women who put the child's fathers name on the birth cert!!!

But let's all carry on like nothing is wrong with that...

Don't forget mothers not working getting free creche places as the are "actively seeking employment"

What a load of my bolix.