The Ongoing Issue of Feral Youths Running Amok in Dublin

d15ude

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you can kick them all you want, very few criminals show signs of rehabilitation post prison, you could treat them harsher all you want in that system, they probably wont change or give a fcuk, but if you try treat any complex issues they have at as an early age as possible, you might just prevent them from entering the world of criminality all together, prevention is better than cure, and cheaper to

Give them 2-3 chances, if they don't take them than through away the key.

batman_oh

double jobbing wrote: »

LOL.

Is Talbot St our main street? As it's perfectly possible to walk down O'Connel St and not see a junkie, let alone an open air drug market.

At 5am maybe. Or you don't know what junkies look like. I work in the city centre and it's nearly impossible to go anywhere around Dublin 1 and most of Dublin 2 (temple bar etc) without seeing hordes of them

ChikiChiki

Anyone walking through the North City centre today? The place is teeming with junkies and alcoholics. Plenty of cops about aswell as there is a merry band of lunatics protesting outside the GPO.

What an absolute **** show.

Royal Irish

d15ude wrote: »

Give them 2-3 chances, if they don't take them than through away the key.

Like the 3 strike rule in the US? It works so well for them so why not try it here :rolleyes:

ThunbergsAreGo

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well I think welfare and forever homes are a good thing for society to certain extent, we should be proud that we look after our citizens with that safety net. I don't think this is the cause of feral youths running around the place though. There are deeper issues causing this. I'm not too sure what it is but I think it's generations of it passed down, and somehow that needs to be stopped.
It's like heroin addicts you see all over town, they hardly set out to be heroin addicts, but they probably had horrible childhoods and are trying to fill that vacuum inside them with drugs which make them feel like everything is ok, but also has disastrous consequences. Whatever way we're trying to tackle these issues isn't work, and we need to change our approach.

Forever homes is a woeful outdated idea that is unfit for purpose

Blueshoe

d15ude wrote: »

Give them 2-3 chances, if they don't take them than through away the key.

Not enough space in prisons to implement that.
We need new incarnation facilities to be built.
Horrible ones that act as a deterrent.

Get rid of the current joke of a minister for justice first though

Tec Diver

Whereas I would agree that economic improvements in general would help, the boost we had in the economy in the previous few years have just increased the gap between those that have and those that don't.

There needs to be an active, targeted economic plan for certain areas and at the same time more resources and numbers of Guardai in these areas in groups (6-8 or whatever is required), including specialist units. If that means stricter laws for ASB then so be it.

Wanderer78

d15ude wrote: »

Give them 2-3 chances, if they don't take them than through away the key.

...because putting them behind locked doors solves problems and is cheap!

Blueshoe

Gardaí vow to crack down on gang of youths carrying out indiscriminate assaults in north Dublin https://jrnl.ie/5106154

They sound like a right horrible mob

tastyt

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...because putting them behind locked doors solves problems and is cheap!

I understand this and agree that locking them up will not solve societal issue of these scumbags.

But lock them up and get them off the streets. There has to be punishment for crime and people can’t be walking around with 100 plus convictions. Protect the public, make people feel safe and make the scum feel there are consequences for their behaviour.

When that happens and we make the country a nicer place to be and a place where hard work and respecting other people is rewarded then we can look at the bigger issues. Then we can plough money in to trying to prevent all the crime and anti social behaviour.

But you can’t put the cart before the horse, you can’t use kid gloves and bleeding hearts on people who will laugh in your face and show no regard for anything because there are no consequences for their behaviour.

Get them off the streets and protect people first

Kermit.de.frog

If the parents knew that their benefits were at risk for every transgression of their children I reckon you'd be amazed just how quickly they'd discover parenting!

whisky_galore

Randy Archer wrote: »

Elements of that mob were the first to bring drugs into the country, where do you think the drug gangs of the late 1990s got their guns from ?

Ah yes, "the Boys", they might be shoving on pension age now!

Pkiernan

Tec Diver wrote: »

Whereas I would agree that economic improvements in general would help, the boost we had in the economy in the previous few years have just increased the gap between those that have and those that don't.

You mean those that work and those that dont?

Having and not having implied some sort of luck

hamburgham

[QUOTE
Has little to do with inequality. There are lots of opportunities through online training and various government supports to live a dignified life with some character. But the social welfare system rewards bad behaviour and is no longer fit for purpose for the times we live in.

/ End of rant .[/QUOTE]
Yes, it’s about values.There are dirt poor immigrants slogging away trying to make a living, probably living not too far away from our crowd of beauties but there’s no cribbing about ‘facilities’.

Zebra3

Randy Archer wrote: »

Elements of that mob were the first to bring drugs into the country, where do you think the drug gangs of the late 1990s got their guns from ?

Link?

Deebles McBeebles

Blueshoe wrote: »

Gardaí vow to crack down on gang of youths carrying out indiscriminate assaults in north Dublin https://jrnl.ie/5106154

They sound like a right horrible mob

For once I agree with the top comment in a Journal article. Weird.

They should be caught and beaten, they won't learn anything from a lenient judge giving them a slap on the wrist for assaulting people.

199 more chances for anyone without previous convictions and you get to walk if you have a "cannabis addiction". Gas stuff.

ThunbergsAreGo

Tec Diver wrote: »

Whereas I would agree that economic improvements in general would help, the boost we had in the economy in the previous few years have just increased the gap between those that have and those that don't.

There needs to be an active, targeted economic plan for certain areas and at the same time more resources and numbers of Guardai in these areas in groups (6-8 or whatever is required), including specialist units. If that means stricter laws for ASB then so be it.

OECD thinks there has been a large reduction in income inequality in Ireland over the last generation.

There has to be actual punishments for people, and if they are to young hit the parents. And more then anything there seems to be some personal responsibility, seems to be missing these days with nothing anybody fault

OECD report below

https://t.co/2gbEThunTj?amp=1

BakingSoda

My uncle lives down in Celbridge. He said that back in the early 90s they used to get problems from west Dublin lads causing trouble in their town every week so one night he gathered up a massive group of locals and when the Dub gang came they beat the **** out of them and chased them out. He said they never came back after that.

Deebles McBeebles

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

For once I agree with the top comment in a Journal article. Weird.

Journal Top Comment wrote:

These little boys need to thought a lesson, the community here has had enough, I fear if the Garda don’t get on top of this people will start taking the law into their own hands, Portmarnock can’t be enjoyed by its local community because these little toe rags, and the parents in Darndale and the likes all too busy drinking, living off the social wouldn’t know what a good honest days work is.

I agree that vigilantism is on the way. It'll take hold in one or two places and then the rest of the country will start to get in on the action too, once it's seen as being successful in any meaningful way at all.


The title should change "Dublin" to "Ireland". These issues are far too common and are absolutely everywhere.

BakingSoda

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree that vigilantism is on the way. It'll take hold in one or two places and then the rest of the country will start to get in on the action too, once it's seen as being successful in any meaningful way at all.


The title should change "Dublin" to "Ireland". These issues are far too common and are absolutely everywhere.

Speaking of which I remember a good few years ago there was a vicious gang terrorising Cavan. What ever happened there? Did they all get locked up or just grow out of it? I definitely recall hearing that about Cavan years ago.

BakingSoda

BakingSoda wrote: »

Speaking of which I remember a good few years ago there was a vicious gang terrorising Cavan. What ever happened there? Did they all get locked up or just grow out of it? I definitely recall hearing that about Cavan years ago.

Never heard of such a thing to be honest. But I don't really live out that way so I wouldn't be sure.

I am lead to believe my own area that I live in was plagued with issues in the 80s and vigilantism is what sorted it out (even the local councillors have said as much to me).

The area is going downhill fairly rapidly over the last couple of years, at the hands of only about 10 people I'd say. But residents have been getting fed up and I've been hearing murmurings of a vigilante group getting together. Someone even asked me if I'd be interested in getting involved.

So I'm sure that my area isn't the only place in the country where similar conversations are being had. Curious to see how it'll play out. No doubt if it does ever come to fruition those that get a well deserved hiding will be portrayed as the victims.

RugbyLad11

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Economic progress? We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world, there was an abundance of jobs, open university for all. They have the best welfare payments in the world. You can stop making excuses for them. They have more opportunity than 99% of the world population.

And it is ****ing ridiculous that you are trying to make this a race matter. Guess what all of those 30 kids running around are WHITE. They are scum from Darandale. There was a black gang from Balbriggan but no, 99% of these incidents are white scumbags. In fact that big gang in Driminagh that have made parts of the canal a no go area are actually targeting black people in their attacks

Find another thread to vent your racist **** in, If it was only black kids doing this then Dublin would have nearly 0% crime :rolleyes:

I take it you have a source for this claim?

RugbyLad11

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I take it you have a source for this claim?

He might just know the area.

da_miser

A circle of life as old as time.
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
We are no doubt in the weak men stage, too many bleeding hearts and do gooders, wont be long now before the Strong men have enough and start working on a fix.

BakingSoda

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I take it you have a source for this claim?

Not the OP but I'm from the area


"Particularly unacceptable has been the number of racially motivated attacks. We need to take the canal back from the thugs. Especially during the current lockdown

Just two weeks ago, gardai rushed to La Touche Road in the Bluebell estate of Dublin twice in the same night after up to 10 rounds of gunfire were heard in the area.

It’s believed that those involved in this incident are also behind anti-social behaviour in the area including an unprovoked racially motivated attack on a man in the area.

A local, who did not wish to be named, told Dublin Live that criminal activity has escalated in recent months in particular.

They said: “Bluebell is like a war zone, the nice old Bluebell of the past is gone. Nobody feels safe anymore.

“The fact that these thugs shot off rounds of fire straight after gardai were in the area following earlier reports of gunfire shows what calibre of people you are dealing with. They’re throwing their weight around, flexing their muscles, wanting people to know who controls the area.

“They don’t care about the area or about authority. They are believed to have been involved a racially motivated attack on an innocent man recently. They are thugs, scumbags.

“The guards are doing the best they can with the limited resorts they have but there needs to be more done.”

irishproduce

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This

I can never understand why there is free legal aid forever for scrotes.

The whole system is arseways.

Free legal aid provides legal welfare for underemployed solicitors and barristers who can't get good work on merit.
The system is rigged. The legal system would decline if legal aid wasn't there (or if tougher sentences were enacted - hence you have lads with 50+ previous convictions)

marieholmfan

Randy Archer wrote: »

Elements of that mob were the first to bring drugs into the country, where do you think the drug gangs of the late 1990s got their guns from ?

Total nonsense. Cocad were destroyed because of their ira links.

The garda are much more involved with drug importation than the ira.


Any rebuttal Randy Arche?

marieholmfan

Since there is no leaving how will they find kids with 100 points for templemore?

marieholmfan

BakingSoda wrote: »

Not the OP but I'm from the area


"Particularly unacceptable has been the number of racially motivated attacks. We need to take the canal back from the thugs. Especially during the current lockdown

Just two weeks ago, gardai rushed to La Touche Road in the Bluebell estate of Dublin twice in the same night after up to 10 rounds of gunfire were heard in the area.

It’s believed that those involved in this incident are also behind anti-social behaviour in the area including an unprovoked racially motivated attack on a man in the area.

A local, who did not wish to be named, told Dublin Live that criminal activity has escalated in recent months in particular.

They said: “Bluebell is like a war zone, the nice old Bluebell of the past is gone. Nobody feels safe anymore.

“The fact that these thugs shot off rounds of fire straight after gardai were in the area following earlier reports of gunfire shows what calibre of people you are dealing with. They’re throwing their weight around, flexing their muscles, wanting people to know who controls the area.

“They don’t care about the area or about authority. They are believed to have been involved a racially motivated attack on an innocent man recently. They are thugs, scumbags.

“The guards are doing the best they can with the limited resorts they have but there needs to be more done.”

Gardai rushed.

Fast as a sloth.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Allow legal companies to set up and make these drugs with limited availability. Then slowly legalize them from these mass manufactured sources. Gangs over.

Your small town bookies couldn't compete with ladbrokes etc.

That's naive.

You think legalising drugs will result in the gangs downing tools and becoming legit?

Cigarette and alcohol smuggling remains big business for Criminals. The fact it's legal means even more time and money put into policing it because you have to enforce the licensing regulations while also chasing the smugglers.

Legalising a problem has not resulted in that problem becoming any smaller.