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Ahmaud Arbery

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    #32
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    GY_1980 wrote: »
    This is incorrect.

    The law in Georgia is clear. You can open/conceal carry guns with a licence. You have a right to pursue and privately arrest a burglary suspect. If you’re attacked in the process, you can legally defend yourself under the State’s stand your ground law. There’s no duty to retreat or stand down.

    I’m assuming the State are looking at the pursuit and will argue the pursuit wasn’t justified. The defence will argue it was.

    In that case can you not just chase anyone with a gun and you can say you suspected them. I would imagine the law says if you see them committing a crime not if you suspect.

    Does the person you are chasing with a gun not also have a right to defend themselves?


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    #33
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    blinding wrote: »
    Maybe he was High or something ! It was a crazy decision !

    Or maybe he felt it was only chance to not be killed?


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    #34
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Or maybe he felt it was only chance to not be killed?



    His odds of getting shot were small if he kept running or sat down and waited for the Police.


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    #35
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 36,162 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It's similar to Travellers here, they can rob and beat pensioners to a pulp in their own home, but how dare anyone say anything about them.
    Looks the same here. Yes he was black, and clearly out robbing properties, and how dare a white man try to stop him.
    The world is too PC/

    He died in a struggle, grabbing at a gun, what would have happened had he got it from him and killed him instead. He'd be going life.
    If he was an honest law abiding citizen he'd be a live.


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    #36
    GY_1980
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭GY_1980


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    In that case can you not just chase anyone with a gun and you can say you suspected them. I would imagine the law says if you see them committing a crime not if you suspect.

    Does the person you are chasing with a gun not also have a right to defend themselves?

    From a legal perspective, you must have been present during the burglary or have reasonable/immediate knowledge that the person was involved in a burglary.

    That’s why I’m assuming the DA is pressing charges. They will argue this wasn’t present and therefore the pursuers were not legally entitled to pursue and attempt arrest. The defence will argue that the pursuers had the knowledge required to form the belief they did.

    Of course, the prosecution will bring in a race angle to the trial while the defence will attempt to put the dead man on trial. The media will lap up the division this brings.


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    #37
    Overheal
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    They were not trying to mug him, they were trying to make a citizens arrest. Did you watch the video? I mean, it couldn't be more clear. Please also look at the Google Earth link I provided. The house was number 220. He could have gone anywhere. He was making a last stand IMHO.

    I didn’t hear any mention of a citizens arrest in the video did you


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    #38
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    AFAIK he was retired. Do you have a link showing that he was sacked

    He was removed from carrying out law enforcement activity/duties and was moved to a purely civilian role in a DA office away from his former police department .
    Back in earlier before the shooting

    So yeah sacked as a cop
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    #39
    Overheal
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    He was sacked and failed to complete basic escalation of force training. Extremely relevant here. He also had long since lost his powers of arrest.


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    #40
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Overheal wrote: »
    I didn’t hear any mention of a citizens arrest in the video did you

    Other than the video showing them attempting one then no


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    #41
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Gatling wrote: »
    He was removed from carrying out law enforcement activity/duties and was moved to a purely civilian role in a DA office away from his former police department .
    Back in earlier before the shooting

    So yeah sacked as a cop

    Thats not being sacked. Also, link please


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    #42
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    GY_1980 wrote: »
    From a legal perspective, you must have been present during the burglary or have reasonable/immediate knowledge that the person was involved in a burglary.

    .

    The neighbour told them they saw arbery. So they had immeadiate knowledge


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    #43
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Maybe they should have rang the police and let professionals deal with it.

    They did ring the police. The police were on their way to the scene as it happened. Which would suggest they were not out to murder anyone


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    #44
    Overheal
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Other than the video showing them attempting one then no

    They didn’t say so in the video.

    They didn’t say so in the 911 calls.

    Hmm.


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    #45
    Overheal
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    The neighbour told them they saw arbery. So they had immeadiate knowledge

    Not of any felony.

    Citizens Arrest does not then apply.


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    #46
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It's similar to Travellers here, they can rob and beat pensioners to a pulp in their own home, but how dare anyone say anything about them.
    Looks the same here. Yes he was black, and clearly out robbing properties, and how dare a white man try to stop him.
    The world is too PC/

    He died in a struggle, grabbing at a gun, what would have happened had he got it from him and killed him instead. He'd be going life.
    If he was an honest law abiding citizen he'd be a live.

    Virtually everyone I know complain about travellers. Maybe not explicitly in the media, but general population would be very critical of traveller behavior. So it's not true that you can't complain about travellers.
    Even on board's very few posters support traveller behavior or lifestyle.

    But seriously, you are suggesting that criticism of an unarmed man been shot dead is evidence that the world is too PC. Pure nonsense.


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    #47
    Gatling
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Thats not being sacked.

    What would you call it ,

    A clap on the back ?
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    #48
    MadYaker
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    Didn’t those two worthless dirtbags get arrested and charged anyway? Hope they each get put in cells with some friendly African American chaps. I’m sure they’ll get a warm “welcome” in the showers.


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    #49
    Overheal
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    Didn’t those two worthless dirtbags get arrested and charged anyway? Hope they each get put in cells with some friendly African American chaps. I’m sure they’ll get a warm “welcome” in the showers.

    All three of them are in jail now. They booked the videographer a few days ago


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    #50
    2u2me
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    They did ring the police. The police were on their way to the scene as it happened. Which would suggest they were not out to murder anyone

    I heard they also made a call several days earlier and no police showed up; is that correct?


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    #51
    MadYaker
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    Rise Of The Simps wrote: »
    You want potentially innocent men to be raped by blacks?? Are you a psycho?

    Where did I say I wanted them to be raped?


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    #52
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,803 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    The neighbour told them they saw arbery. So they had immeadiate knowledge

    That's not immediate knowledge.
    The neighbour would be the only one with such knowledge in that instance, it's not "shared" by being told.

    It's hearsay at best and if incorrect, which in this case the CCTV evidence of Arbery's visit to the construction site would show it is!
    Was false and contributed to an unlawful killing.


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    #53
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Arbery was known to the McMichaels along with his weapons charge (Gregory had investigated him whilst on police duty) A gun had gone missing from a car in the neighborhood recently. In a call a few days before the indecent, Travis McMichaels had seen a man matching Arbery's description with what appeared to be a gun.

    Unless he was in the middle of committing a crime that somehow involved mcmichaels, thenmcmichaels shouldn't be trying to stop him going about his business.


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    #54
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I presume all the " I demand my freedom" folks that are refusing to wear masks in to businesses are fully backing the dead man in this case and demanding mcmichaels face the full extent of the law......................


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    #55
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Rise Of The Simps wrote: »
    You want potentially innocent men to be raped by blacks?? Are you a psycho?

    I wouldn't want a potentially innocent man shot dead either.


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    #56
    pjohnson
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    Rise Of The Simps wrote: »
    You want potentially innocent men to be raped by blacks?? Are you a psycho?

    "Potentially innocent" they pursued and shot him.


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    #57
    PyreOfHellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭PyreOfHellfire


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It's similar to Travellers here, they can rob and beat pensioners to a pulp in their own home, but how dare anyone say anything about them.
    Looks the same here. Yes he was black, and clearly out robbing properties, and how dare a white man try to stop him.
    The world is too PC/

    He died in a struggle, grabbing at a gun, what would have happened had he got it from him and killed him instead. He'd be going life.
    If he was an honest law abiding citizen he'd be a live.

    What a scumbag you are


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    #58
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A lot of armchair apologists here seem to have upturned the entire concept of self defense.

    Now when the womens are held up at gunpoint we have to rewrite the book at what we tell them to do: self defense classes out, sitting on the ground and waiting for the police is in.


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    #59
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,764 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Overheal wrote: »
    A lot of armchair apologists here seem to have upturned the entire concept of self defense.

    Now when the womens are held up at gunpoint we have to rewrite the book at what we tell them to do: self defense classes out, sitting on the ground and waiting for the police is in.

    Thats not fair. You need to know what colour the woman and/or attacker is.


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    #60
    Tasfasdf
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    PyreOfHellfire wrote: »
    What a scumbag you are

    Lol


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    #61
    PyreOfHellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭PyreOfHellfire


    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    Lol

    LOL LMAO :rolleyes:


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