Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

BattleCorp

Hamsterchops wrote: »

So there's a lot of chat online within the last week regarding the latest UAP revelations, specially the picture of a triangular craft snapped @35,000ft over the Atlantic (from the cockpit of an F-18), but why is it constantly referred to as s "cube" when it's obviously triangular?

Why didn't the pilot try get closer to get a better pic?

saabsaab

I often wonder why don't military planes fire a few shots at these UFOs? They seem to be in restricted airspace often. If knocked down they could be examined.

BattleCorp

saabsaab wrote: »

I often wonder why don't military planes fire a few shots at these UFOs? They seem to be in restricted airspace often. If knocked down they could be examined.

Not a good plan for a number of reasons.

The main one is that the pilot doesn't know what it is, hence the Unidentified part of the thing. It could turn out to be a passenger airplane. Might not be popular for shooting one of them down.

If it's an alien spaceship, it probably has the technology to avoid being shot down by us. Or will have superior firepower given that their technology would have to be far superior to ours for them to get here in the first place.

saabsaab

BattleCorp wrote: »

Not a good plan for a number of reasons.

The main one is that the pilot doesn't know what it is, hence the Unidentified part of the thing. It could turn out to be a passenger airplane. Might not be popular for shooting one of them down.

If it's an alien spaceship, it probably has the technology to avoid being shot down by us. Or will have superior firepower given that their technology would have to be far superior to ours for them to get here in the first place.

Surprising all the same as an unidentified aircraft in restricted airspace is fair game in some parts of the world. It may not be vulnerable but then again a spear from 200BC will still do damage to a modern soldier. Interesting to see a reaction?

jmlad2020

Heard a few tales of Iranian military attempting to shoot at UFOs as they believed them to be hostile American airships.. they lose all control until they were out of its reach. Almost as if it can read humans.

There are also stories of Russian Military shooting at a UFO after it breached one of its airbases. 23 soldiers were instantly killed and turned into stone after the entities merged into a bright light...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/770158/Russian-soldiers-turned-stone-UFO-CIA-report


In other words don't shoot at UFOs guys. That's caveman stuff.

saabsaab

jmlad2020 wrote: »

Heard a few tales of Iranian military attempting to shoot at UFOs as they believed them to be hostile American airships.. they lose all control until they were out of its reach. Almost as if it can read humans.

There are also stories of Russian Military shooting at a UFO after it breached one of its airbases. 23 soldiers were instantly killed and turned into stone after the entities merged into a bright light...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/770158/Russian-soldiers-turned-stone-UFO-CIA-report


In other words don't shoot at UFOs guys. That's caveman stuff.

Regarding the 23 soldiers the following is relevant


'The CIA file said the source of the information had come from the Canadian Weekly World News, which was known at the time for publishing outlandish and fictional news headlines'



Don't know about the Iranian story's background but I think I read about it once.

'According to U.S journalist Philip J. Klass, it was likely the pilots initially saw an astronomical body, probably Jupiter, an explanation also cited by aerospace researcher James Oberg. Klass wrote that pilot incompetence and equipment malfunction likely accounted for the reported equipment failures.[3]

According to Klass, the Westinghouse technician at Shahrokhi airbase stated that only the first F-4 reported failing equipment, and that this F-4 was known for equipment failures with a long history of electrical outages, having been repaired only a month before the incident. Klass cites a McDonnell Douglas repair supervisor's opinion that the F-4's radar could have been in "manual track" mode, causing a wrong interpretation of the radar lock.[3]

Bridgstock criticized UFOlogists reports as "not a reliable account of the Iran UFO incident" and summed up Klass' conclusions:[2]

Klass found that only one aircraft had suffered electrical malfunctions, not two. What is more, that plane had had a history of unexplained electrical faults, and the electrical workshop responsible for it was notorious for poor performance. In this context, a temporary electrical malfunction can hardly be characterised as mysterious. He also points out that the aircrews at the time were tired and rattled, and could have mistaken stars or meteors for UFOs and "missiles". In addition, Klass points out that radio faults on airliners are not unknown, and that is why they carry backup radio sets.'

Hamsterchops

BattleCorp wrote: »

Why didn't the pilot try get closer to get a better pic?

I reference that in #635.

There is a very clear picture of a triangular shaped craft, but it hasn't been released by the Pentagon yet!

BattleCorp

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I reference that in #635.

There is a very clear picture of a triangular shaped craft, but it hasn't been released by the Pentagon yet!

I'm not being smart but how does Joe Rogan know that the Pentagon have a clear, but as of yet unreleased photo?

Standman

saabsaab wrote: »

Regarding the 23 soldiers the following is relevant


'The CIA file said the source of the information had come from the Canadian Weekly World News, which was known at the time for publishing outlandish and fictional news headlines'



Don't know about the Iranian story's background but I think I read about it once.

Yep, that Express article is a prime example of BS sensationalism.

No wonder it's so hard to discern what's true about this subject when there's so much of this shite going on.

Another gem from the Weekly World News - quick, someone get this to the Express!

silliussoddius

jmlad2020 wrote: »

Heard a few tales of Iranian military attempting to shoot at UFOs as they believed them to be hostile American airships.. they lose all control until they were out of its reach. Almost as if it can read humans.

There are also stories of Russian Military shooting at a UFO after it breached one of its airbases. 23 soldiers were instantly killed and turned into stone after the entities merged into a bright light...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/770158/Russian-soldiers-turned-stone-UFO-CIA-report


In other words don't shoot at UFOs guys. That's caveman stuff.

So we are adding ESP to the mix?

Beechwoodspark

Does anyone think trump might reveal info on aliens either before he leaves the White House or some stage after ward

silliussoddius

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Does anyone think trump might reveal info on aliens either before he leaves the White House or some stage after ward

No. He's the least likely person to hold back on something that would make him look good.

Beechwoodspark

silliussoddius wrote: »

No. He's the least likely person to hold back on something that would make him look good.

There’s a story today that says he was almost about to reveal all but he was convinced by aides it would cause world chaos

Ubbquittious

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Does anyone think trump might reveal info on aliens either before he leaves the White House or some stage after ward

He will probably be too busy starting a war, being dead set on 'going out with a bang'

Dramatik

Stumbled across this, I just flicked through it, mainly to the interviews and the video footage as the editing is pretty whacky. Late 90's according to the in video dates.

Spon Farmer

Wibbs wrote: »

When I have thoughts in my head I realise others can't read them so I at least attempt to be clear in expressing them for others when communicating. If others express confusion I attempt to expand on my thoughts more clearly so there is no confusion. You have clearly failed on both the above counts.

My remark was very easy to understand and I did, when asked, explain further. What happened here was a bunch of people uptight about about the “moon landing hoax” and jumping into an argument with actually reading the post. It carried on despite the fact that I pointed out I was not calling it a hoax, and then they were using my quote from The X-Files about aliens as supposed “proof” that I believed the moon landing were fake and aliens are real - well that is daft.

The failure to comprehend was not mine, but the pearl clutching drama queens.

And as I’m here, did that guy recant his claim that Aldrin goes around “punching anyone” who disputes his achievement? Because that is a lie.

Hamsterchops

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm not being smart but how does Joe Rogan know that the Pentagon have a clear, but as of yet unreleased photo?

In recent weeks the topic of the (picture of) the triangular craft has been brought up on his show many times, and by several guests including Jacques Vallee and James Fox (director of The Phenomenon) UFO film/documentary.

Spon Farmer

Standman wrote: »

Yep, that Express article is a prime example of BS sensationalism.

No wonder it's so hard to discern what's true about this subject when there's so much of this shite going on.

Another gem from the Weekly World News - quick, someone get this to the Express!

Careful now. You posted that image so you must believe it is true according tho logic here

Spon Farmer

bodhrandude wrote: »

No one answered this because of that stupid tit for tat argument.

Cry me a river.

NIMAN

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s a story today that says he was almost about to reveal all but he was convinced by aides it would cause world chaos

And where is this story? Link please.

Trump can't hold his opinion about anything, so if the US Gov was in contact with aliens daily, he'd say.

The reason he has said nothing is because there is nothing to say.

the purple tin

Hamsterchops wrote: »

This might seem a bit crackers, but is it possible that UAPs (might be) terrestrial & not extra terrestrial :eek:

In other words I often wonder if we are sharing this planet with some other form of life, an advanced species who inhabit the same space as us, but on a much more advanced level, hence we only get to glimpse them out of the corner of our eye, with ultra advanced flying craft maybe they are the top lifeform within what we consider to be 'our atmosphere' ?

These reports of submersible craft that can also inhabit the skies makes me wonder if they actually live here?

Another possibility is that maybe all this UFO traffic is ourselves as time travellers from the distant future?

One thing's for sure, it has now been accepted that UAPs exist, and that they are intelligent & very advanced.

John A Keel had a great book called Why UFOs? that put forward the inter-dimensional theory. Aliens are not travelling light years to get here, they have been here all along. They pose as inter-galactic beings.

He raises some interesting points and ties together a lot of strange phenomena such as possession, the 1800s airship sightings wave, seances, the Virgin Mary visions, men in black, the black helicopters etc.

It might be a hard book to get nowadays but certainly worth a read if you can lay your hands on it.


re your point about aliens being super-evolved humans from the future- some abductees have actually been told exactly that. The thing is aliens seem to be full of crap and lie to people a lot. You will find that out in the book too.

Beechwoodspark

NIMAN wrote: »

And where is this story? Link please.

Trump can't hold his opinion about anything, so if the US Gov was in contact with aliens daily, he'd say.

The reason he has said nothing is because there is nothing to say.

Here is the link

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1250333

silliussoddius

According to the person who said there is an agreement between governments of the earth and aliens (who share a base on Mars), it's this kind of stuff that puts me off on the ET hypothesis.

NIMAN

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Here is the link

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1250333

OK, so one guy says its so, and that makes it fact?

bangkok

Bob Lazar is golddust in the UFO field. a lot of the stuff he has said is fascinating and stuff he has said long ago in the past has turned out to be true. i have no doubt he worked on UFO's at S4

Standman

bangkok wrote: »

Bob Lazar is golddust in the UFO field. a lot of the stuff he has said is fascinating and stuff he has said long ago in the past has turned out to be true. i have no doubt he worked on UFO's at S4

Out of interest, what stuff has he said in the past that turned out to be true?

Beechwoodspark

NIMAN wrote: »

OK, so one guy says its so, and that makes it fact?

I’m not saying it’s fact. I’m just asking if ppl think it has truth about it.

bangkok

Standman wrote: »

Out of interest, what stuff has he said in the past that turned out to be true?

off the top of my head, Element 115, the hand scanner used to get past security, the name S4 where he worked

ohnonotgmail

bangkok wrote: »

off the top of my head, Element 115, the hand scanner used to get past security, the name S4 where he worked

what did he predict about element 115 that was correct?

gerrybbadd

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what did he predict about element 115 that was correct?

That it existed to begin with, if I recall correctly. At his time of speaking out, there wasn't an element 115.

bangkok

gerrybbadd wrote: »

That it existed to begin with, if I recall correctly. At his time of speaking out, there wasn't an element 115.

yep exactly that

ohnonotgmail

gerrybbadd wrote: »

That it existed to begin with, if I recall correctly. At his time of speaking out, there wasn't an element 115.

predicting that there may be a particular element of a particular weight is just basic chemistry. what he said said about it though is nonsense. I think we have managed to create about 50 atoms of the stuff. 50 atoms. and its melting point is well below what Lazar said it was so its use as any kind of exotic material for alien spacecraft is nonsense.

gerrybbadd

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

predicting that there may be a particular element of a particular weight is just basic chemistry. what he said said about it though is nonsense. I think we have managed to create about 50 atoms of the stuff. 50 atoms. and its melting point is well below what Lazar said it was so its use as any kind of exotic material for alien spacecraft is nonsense.

Again, working from memory here, the material was used for propulsion, rather than for the fabric of the spacecraft itself

ohnonotgmail

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Again, working from memory here, the material was used for propulsion, rather than for the fabric of the spacecraft itself

50 atoms wont get you very far. and Lazar was way off on its melting point.

bangkok

what about s4 or the hand scanner?

also i forgot to mention EG&G who he said were the company contractors were hired to work at area 51

ohnonotgmail

bangkok wrote: »

what about s4 or the hand scanner?

It is entirely possible he worked in the building. that doesn't mean he was working on alien technology. as for the hand scanner what is the big deal? we know hand scanners existed.

gerrybbadd

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

predicting that there may be a particular element of a particular weight is just basic chemistry. what he said said about it though is nonsense. I think we have managed to create about 50 atoms of the stuff. 50 atoms. and its melting point is well below what Lazar said it was so its use as any kind of exotic material for alien spacecraft is nonsense.

This is based on research so far. Lazar reckons further research will produce an isotope closer to his description in future.

ohnonotgmail

gerrybbadd wrote: »

This is based on research so far. Lazar reckons further research will produce an isotope closer to his description in future.

i'm sure he does. none of it is evidence that he worked on alien technology.

gerrybbadd

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i'm sure he does. none of it is evidence that he worked on alien technology.

Of course it's not. Some people wouldn't be happy if Lazar was to ride down the road in a UFO waving at everyone as he passed by.

ohnonotgmail

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Of course it's not. Some people wouldn't be happy if Lazar was to ride down the road in a UFO waving at everyone as he passed by.

Even an old cynic like me would be impressed by that.

gerrybbadd

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Even an old cynic like me would be impressed by that.

It'd be some sight for sure

bangkok

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is entirely possible he worked in the building. that doesn't mean he was working on alien technology. as for the hand scanner what is the big deal? we know hand scanners existed.

it was a hanger built into the side of a mountain.

the big deal about the scanner was no one believed him when he said about it as nobody knew it even existed. 30 years later then one shows up.

also, brought friends out to see the UFO test flights on 3 different occasions at Papooose lake and not groom lake, he knew the exact time the ufos would be flown. i have no doubt he worked on Alien Tech there

there are no holes in his story and if he was lying it would have come out by now.

PMBC

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I was thinking Erich von Däniken and his 1968 book, Chariots of the Gods.

I read a few of Von Daniken's books early 70s and was fascinated by his theories. But in recent years I read that he was a charlatan and made up measurements to fit his theories.

ohnonotgmail

bangkok wrote: »

it was a hanger built into the side of a mountain.

the big deal about the scanner was no one believed him when he said about it as nobody knew it even existed. 30 years later then one shows up.

also, brought friends out to see the UFO test flights on 3 different occasions at Papooose lake and not groom lake, he knew the exact time the ufos would be flown. i have no doubt he worked on Alien Tech there

there are no holes in his story and if he was lying it would have come out by now.

30 years later one showed up? what are you on about? He claims to have started working there in late 80's. did we only get hand scanner 30 years after that? are you forgetting that he claims to hold degrees that he doesn't? He claims to have been asked to work on alien technology though he never got further than a junior college. does that hold up to you?

bangkok

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

30 years later one showed up? what are you on about? He claims to have started working there in late 80's. did we only get hand scanner 30 years after that? are you forgetting that he claims to hold degrees that he doesn't? He claims to have been asked to work on alien technology though he never got further than a junior college. does that hold up to you?

a hand scanner with longs pins on it as he described it, used to measure the size of bones in your hand he thought at the time. years later was found out thats what the US navy used.


his name showed up in the Los Alamos National Laboratory phone directory, you dont go there unless you have a degree, do you think they hired him straight from school??

there no chance in hell someone can lie that much for years and not get found out. he knew way too much

ohnonotgmail

bangkok wrote: »

a hand scanner with longs pins on it as he described it, used to measure the size of bones in your hand he thought at the time. years later was found out thats what the US navy used.


his name showed up in the Los Alamos National Laboratory phone directory, you dont go there unless you have a degree, do you think they hired him straight from school??

there no chance in hell someone can lie that much for years and not get found out. he knew way too much

he appeared in a phone directory. that doesnt mean he was a physicist or anything like that. we know he wasnt anything of that caliber as he doesn't have the education for it.

bangkok

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he appeared in a phone directory. that doesnt mean he was a physicist or anything like that. we know he wasnt anything of that caliber as he doesn't have the education for it.

Be fairly easy to delete someones record from a college database in fairness.

How did he know about the ufo test flights and what time they were doing them at?

NIMAN

Why do people take everything Lazar says as gospel?

Especially when there is little or no proof of most of what he claims to be true.

bangkok

What about someone like jesse marcel at roswell, highly decorated career, said what crashed at roswell was aliens and the photo of him with the "wreckage" for the media wasnt the wreckage at all just swapped in for the photo.

He took some of the real wreckage home and woke his 10 year old son that night to show it to him and said he will never see anything like it ever again in his life

Fuzzyduzzy

The Bob Lazar story is interesting. Yes, his qualification history is undocumented but his claim that part of his history was erased to discredit him is evidential in the way in which he was indeed employed by Los Alamos laboratory (pay slips from the Department of Naval Intelligence and his name in the Los Alamos phone book) and at a later court hearing (installing cctv cameras in an illegal brothel) when he was facing 5 years imprisonment. Again, he claimed to work for Los Alamos in S4 before a judge. This would have been the time to come clean if he had to.

The judge also stated that he could not find many records of Lazar, such as his birth certificate.

At the time he was also ridiculed for suggesting the Department of Naval Intelligence would be associated with this project. Along with some of his other claims, look how often the Department of Naval Intelligence has come up in association with UFOs since then (Google ONI UFOs, AATIP was funded by them).

I agree, it's interesting what he said about element 115 being used to power the crafts but that wouldn't be one of the things to make me believe him, because the elements are named in numeric order. Therefore it was possible an element 115 would be discovered at some point.