Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

ohnonotgmail

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

The Bob Lazar story is interesting. Yes, his qualification history is undocumented but his claim that part of his history was erased to discredit him is evidential in the way in which he was indeed employed by Los Alamos laboratory (pay slips from the Department of Naval Intelligence and his name in the Los Alamos phone book) and at a later court hearing (installing cctv cameras in an illegal brothel) when he was facing 5 years imprisonment. Again, he claimed to work for Los Alamos in S4 before a judge. This would have been the time to come clean if he had to.

The judge also stated that he could not find many records of Lazar, such as his birth certificate.

At the time he was also ridiculed for suggesting the Department of Naval Intelligence would be associated with this project. Along with some of his other claims, look how often the Department of Naval Intelligence has come up in association with UFOs since then (Google ONI UFOs, AATIP was funded by them).

I agree, it's interesting what he said about element 115 being used to power the crafts but that wouldn't be one of the things to make me believe him, because the elements are named in numeric order. Therefore it was possible an element 115 would be discovered at some point.

Yes he worked at los alamos, that much seems probable. What job did he have though? It seems odd that somebody who worked on alien technology would end up installing CCTV in a brothel.

Fuzzyduzzy

Lazar was quickly becoming known as a thinking outside the box type of scientist with his ideas on propulsion. Following his conversation he claimed he had with Edward Teller (who indeed was speaking at Los Alamos on that day which coincided with Lazar being on the front page of their newspaper, citing him as a scientist at the lab), may have recommended him. Teller once refused to acknowledge that he did not know Lazar and refused to talk about him.

jmlad2020

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Yes he worked at los alamos, that much seems probable. What job did he have though? It seems odd that somebody who worked on alien technology would end up installing CCTV in a brothel.

Is also seems odd that someone who worked with Alien technology would have their educational and birth certs eliminated from public record in the days where a single file gone missing from a file cabinet would adequately remove someone's trace.

Did he admit to installing CCTV in a brothel? who's to say it wasn't an attempt to discredit him. Maybe he is a secret pervert, that doesn't really make him any less credible imo. This wacko also installed a Jet engine on his bicycle.

Fuzzyduzzy

jmlad2020 wrote: »

Is also seems odd that someone who worked with Alien technology would have their educational and birth certs eliminated from public record in the days where a single file gone missing from a file cabinet would adequately remove someone's trace.

Did he admit to installing CCTV in a brothel? who's to say it wasn't an attempt to discredit him. Maybe he is a secret pervert, that doesn't really make him any less credible imo. This wacko also installed a Jet engine on his bicycle.

He was asked to install cctv by the owner. His appearance in court only furthers his credibility as he told the judge he worked at S4. The judge also said he couldn't find records of Lazar. Facing 5 years imprisonment, I'm certain this would be the right time for honesty.

bangkok

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

He was asked to install cctv by the owner. His appearance in court only furthers his credibility as he told the judge he worked at S4. The judge also said he couldn't find records of Lazar. Facing 5 years imprisonment, I'm certain this would be the right time for honesty.

yes if he was ever going to come clean, that court case would have been where he would have done it

also, him even knowing about S4. i just put it into google maps to see did anything come up and you can zoom right into it.

Bigboldworld

I’ve found this topic very interesting for a number of years, I believe the most compelling case is David Fravor from the nimitz ufo incident, unexplained by the pentagon and backed up by credible accounts, it’s mind boggling

However, regarding lazar, i would question his legitimacy, there is a detailed documentary which debunks a lot of the documentary maker and lazar, i will try find the link but astonishingly something that appears to have been missed is that the hand recognition software lazar speaks about was actually in a very brief scene in the movie close encounters of the third kind which shows an almost identical piece of hand recognition software that Lazar described so one doesn’t have to take a giant leap to see where they got the idea from. The documentary about lazar is made by a guy called jeremy corbell who claims that close encounters of the third kind is his favorite movie and he watched it numerous times yet claims to never have seen the hand recognition software yet it clear as day in the movie!

I will try find the link but I think a as lot of what corbell and some of what lazar describes is total bs

the purple tin

Here is some more food for though about the inter-dimensional theory.

The most popular message by far that aliens pass on to people is to warn them about nuclear weapons, telling them that we should get rid of them at once or we will destroy the planet. Whitley Streiber says they showed him a mental image of the planet exploding into pieces.

There have been a lot of UFO sightings over nuclear power plants and military bases where nukes are being stored.
Back at the time of the Roswell crash, they were storing nuclear missiles there. UFOs were spotted over the base for about a month or so before the crash.
Same with the Rendlesham Forest incident in England in 1980. US nukes were being stored there secretly. The UFOs are often seen shining what looks like a beam of light into the silos and warehouses where the missiles are kept.


Even more bizarre, in a US base, that happened, and somehow a missile was completely dismantled and all the pieces laid out perfectly on the floor in the space of a couple of minutes.

In another base in America the missiles started to go offline one by one so that they couldn't be launched. technicians couldn't understand why as there was no fault in the system.
In an incident in the Soviet Union missiles actually went into launch sequence on their own and couldn't be stopped, they had to start pulling fuses to prevent them from launching.


There have also been UFOs seen buzzing missiles during test launches, the missiles either broke up or exploded in mid-air.

So why would aliens be so interested in nukes and nuclear energy if they have moved so far beyond it or even by-passed it altogether?
Well, there are scientists who believe that a nuclear explosion doesn't just effect us in our dimension, it is so powerful that it can actually have an effect on other dimensions too.

Maybe when we test nukes we are also doing damage in their world. So if we ever had a nuclear war it might be just as bad for them over there as it is for us over here.

igCorcaigh

They must be terrified of neutron stars.

theballz

the purple tin wrote: »

Here is some more food for though about the inter-dimensional theory.

The most popular message by far that aliens pass on to people is to warn them about nuclear weapons, telling them that we should get rid of them at once or we will destroy the planet. Whitley Streiber says they showed him a mental image of the planet exploding into pieces.

There have been a lot of UFO sightings over nuclear power plants and military bases where nukes are being stored.
Back at the time of the Roswell crash, they were storing nuclear missiles there. UFOs were spotted over the base for about a month or so before the crash.
Same with the Rendlesham Forest incident in England in 1980. US nukes were being stored there secretly. The UFOs are often seen shining what looks like a beam of light into the silos and warehouses where the missiles are kept.


Even more bizarre, in a US base, that happened, and somehow a missile was completely dismantled and all the pieces laid out perfectly on the floor in the space of a couple of minutes.

In another base in America the missiles started to go offline one by one so that they couldn't be launched. technicians couldn't understand why as there was no fault in the system.
In an incident in the Soviet Union missiles actually went into launch sequence on their own and couldn't be stopped, they had to start pulling fuses to prevent them from launching.


There have also been UFOs seen buzzing missiles during test launches, the missiles either broke up or exploded in mid-air.

So why would aliens be so interested in nukes and nuclear energy if they have moved so far beyond it or even by-passed it altogether?
Well, there are scientists who believe that a nuclear explosion doesn't just effect us in our dimension, it is so powerful that it can actually have an effect on other dimensions too.

Maybe when we test nukes we are also doing damage in their world. So if we ever had a nuclear war it might be just as bad for them over there as it is for us over here.

I’ve always been a sceptic, however, I only read about the incident in Zimbabwe at the school were the aliens warned the children of the same thing. Their were 100 children who witnessed it, all interviewed separately with the same message.

silliussoddius

Hopefully the intergalactic federation does something about nuclear weapons.

EmmetSpiceland

How many nukes would it take to blow the earth to pieces?

Rhys Essien

It’s going to happen

https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/1337758350864420868?s=21

EmmetSpiceland

Rhys Essien wrote: »

It’s going to happen

https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/1337758350864420868?s=21

“And guess who's been practicing medicine without a license?
That's right, Homer Simpson”

silliussoddius

Rhys Essien wrote: »

It’s going to happen

https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/1337758350864420868?s=21

Definitely this time.

bodhrandude

Bigboldworld wrote: »

a guy who claims that close encounters of the third kind is his favorite movie and he watched it numerous times yet claims to never have seen the hand recognition software yet it clear as day in the movie!

Love this scene from Close Encounters, at the start it looks like a truck pulling up behind him and then different colours of light travelling upwards. Speilberg had a good eye for detail.

Bigboldworld

Bigboldworld wrote: »

I’ve found this topic very interesting for a number of years, I believe the most compelling case is David Fravor from the nimitz ufo incident, unexplained by the pentagon and backed up by credible accounts, it’s mind boggling

However, regarding lazar, i would question his legitimacy, there is a detailed documentary which debunks a lot of the documentary maker and lazar, i will try find the link but astonishingly something that appears to have been missed is that the hand recognition software lazar speaks about was actually in a very brief scene in the movie close encounters of the third kind which shows an almost identical piece of hand recognition software that Lazar described so one doesn’t have to take a giant leap to see where they got the idea from. The documentary about lazar is made by a guy called jeremy corbell who claims that close encounters of the third kind is his favorite movie and he watched it numerous times yet claims to never have seen the hand recognition software yet it clear as day in the movie!

I will try find the link but I think a as lot of what corbell and some of what lazar describes is total bs

https://youtu.be/VmJLSuLmgdg That’s the link to the video I mentioned, if you watch from 9 minutes in it goes over the hand scanner, I think Corbells credibility is questionable to say the least.

Finally I am convinced that fravors story from the nimitz ufo incident is legitimate however Lazar I’m not so sure.

jmlad2020

Bigboldworld wrote: »

https://youtu.be/VmJLSuLmgdg That’s the link to the video I mentioned, if you watch from 9 minutes in it goes over the hand scanner, I think Corbells credibility is questionable to say the least.

Finally I am convinced that fravors story from the nimitz ufo incident is legitimate however Lazar I’m not so sure.

Typical Corbell interview goes something like this...

Corbell: "I have seen alien body parts in the flesh"
Interviewer: "So did you take photos or anything"
Corbell: "my battery died that day sorry"

But I do have a soft spot for the Lazar story. It's believable

corks finest

the purple tin wrote: »

Here is some more food for though about the inter-dimensional theory.

The most popular message by far that aliens pass on to people is to warn them about nuclear weapons, telling them that we should get rid of them at once or we will destroy the planet. Whitley Streiber says they showed him a mental image of the planet exploding into pieces.

There have been a lot of UFO sightings over nuclear power plants and military bases where nukes are being stored.
Back at the time of the Roswell crash, they were storing nuclear missiles there. UFOs were spotted over the base for about a month or so before the crash.
Same with the Rendlesham Forest incident in England in 1980. US nukes were being stored there secretly. The UFOs are often seen shining what looks like a beam of light into the silos and warehouses where the missiles are kept.


Even more bizarre, in a US base, that happened, and somehow a missile was completely dismantled and all the pieces laid out perfectly on the floor in the space of a couple of minutes.

In another base in America the missiles started to go offline one by one so that they couldn't be launched. technicians couldn't understand why as there was no fault in the system.
In an incident in the Soviet Union missiles actually went into launch sequence on their own and couldn't be stopped, they had to start pulling fuses to prevent them from launching.


There have also been UFOs seen buzzing missiles during test launches, the missiles either broke up or exploded in mid-air.

So why would aliens be so interested in nukes and nuclear energy if they have moved so far beyond it or even by-passed it altogether?
Well, there are scientists who believe that a nuclear explosion doesn't just effect us in our dimension, it is so powerful that it can actually have an effect on other dimensions too.

Maybe when we test nukes we are also doing damage in their world. So if we ever had a nuclear war it might be just as bad for them over there as it is for us over here.

This is a great thread, extremely interesting

Bigboldworld

Finally, highly recommend the recent documentary the phenomenon for anyone interested in this subject.

Mac Diarmada

Whats the opinions here on Dr Steven Greer?

Seems like a phoney to me.

bodhrandude

I can remember this mockumentary from 1977, freaked me anyway as a kid but it was called Science Report 1977: Alternative 3 and was broadcast only once on ITV, it was originally intended as an April Fool joke but created quite a similar reaction to Orson Welles's War of the Worlds radio play when it was broadcast.

BorneTobyWilde

I didn't believe in flying saucers until I had a row with my GF over dinner .

corks finest

bodhrandude wrote: »

I can remember this mockumentary from 1977, freaked me anyway as a kid but it was called Science Report 1977: Alternative 3 and was broadcast only once on ITV, it was originally intended as an April Fool joke but created quite a similar reaction to Orson Welles's War of the Worlds radio play when it was broadcast.

Remember exactly

corks finest

bodhrandude wrote: »

I can remember this mockumentary from 1977, freaked me anyway as a kid but it was called Science Report 1977: Alternative 3 and was broadcast only once on ITV, it was originally intended as an April Fool joke but created quite a similar reaction to Orson Welles's War of the Worlds radio play when it was broadcast.

Remember exactly similar to the week long doc ref the bomb dropping - frightening stuff

saabsaab

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I didn't believe in flying saucers until I had a row with my GF over dinner .

Did she tell U to FO?

Beechwoodspark

With all this talk of assange lately was there any mention of aliens or ufos in the wiki leaks?

PhantomHat

Mac Diarmada wrote: »

Whats the opinions here on Dr Steven Greer?

Seems like a phoney to me.

The thing that fascinates me about Greer is how effortlessly he can talk for long extended periods yet say absolutely nothing concrete. Yes I'd agree he seems suspect.

gerrybbadd

PhantomHat wrote: »

The thing that fascinates me about Greer is how effortlessly he can talk for long extended periods yet say absolutely nothing concrete. Yes I'd agree he seems suspect.

Just look at how much he charges groups to go out into the desert on retreats with him, to "summon" the UFOs to the area. That will tell you all you need to know about the "good" Dr.

Mac Diarmada

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Just look at how much he charges groups to go out into the desert on retreats with him, to "summon" the UFOs to the area. That will tell you all you need to know about the "good" Dr.

Agreed. The Sirius documentary was a massive let down too.

Andrewf20

Arthur C Clarke had a great quote:

“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”

I dont really believe aliens have visited us but I do believe there is life in some form somewhere else.

emo72

Greer summoning UFOs is ridiculous. I mean, look, I'm not dismissing that alien life forms from other dimensions is not unreasonable. I'd be highly sceptical of those claims. Either way it's irrelevant.

Cmdr Fravor and his other pilots that where on that mission, now that's hard to dismiss. That's The first time that me, a sceptic, was confronted with evidence that there is some major major **** going on. That's basically proof. As Mulder would say, keep watching the skies!

yaknowski

John O. Brennan, head of the CIA for 4 years under President Obama:

https://youtu.be/LdQ7L0ugZJc?t=408



BRENNAN: I’ve seen some of those videos from Navy pilots, and I must tell you that they are quite eyebrow-raising when you look at them. You try to ensure that you have as much data as possible in terms of visuals and also different types of maybe technical collection of sensors that you have at the time.

Also, I believe, it’s important to reach out into other environments and find out, were there any type of weather phenomena at that time that might have, in fact, created the appearance of the phenomenon that you’re looking at? Were there some things that were happening on the ground, or other types of phenomena that could help explain what seems to be quite a mystery as far as what is there?

I think an important thing for analysts to do is not to go into this type of challenge either discounting certain types of possibilities or believing in advance that it is likely X, Y, or Z. You really have to approach it with an open mind, but get as much data as possible and get as much expertise as possible brought to bear.

COWEN: At the end of all that sifting and interpreting, what do you think is the most likely hypothesis?

BRENNAN: [laughs] I don’t know. When people talk about it, is there other life besides what’s in the States, in the world, the globe? Life is defined in many different ways. I think it’s a bit presumptuous and arrogant for us to believe that there’s no other form of life anywhere in the entire universe. What that might be is subject to a lot of different views.

But I think some of the phenomena we’re going to be seeing continues to be unexplained and might, in fact, be some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.

BattleCorp

yaknowski wrote: »

John O. Brennan, head of the CIA for 4 years under President Obama:

But I think some of the phenomena we’re going to be seeing continues to be unexplained and might, in fact, be some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.

This guy is no nutcase. That last paragraph has me thinking hmmmmmmmmmm...............

cj maxx

BattleCorp wrote: »

This guy is no nutcase. That last paragraph has me thinking hmmmmmmmmmm...............

The bit where he says "we don't know everything in the universe " so I cant categorically rule anything in or out?
Yeah , out of his tree
Sorry BattleCorp
I read that as 'is a nut case'
Completely agree with you.
My bad

the purple tin

BattleCorp wrote: »

This guy is no nutcase. That last paragraph has me thinking hmmmmmmmmmm...............

Sounds like he leans more to the inter-dimensional rather than space travellers theory.

Andrewf20

Watch from 1hr 6 mins and 8 seconds in this award winning BBC documentary - Hypernormalisation:

If it is to be believed, its alleged the US government used people to spread the rumour (a fake conspiracy) that they were seeing alien visitations but the lights in the skies were secret USA aircraft / flying machines.

Fuzzyduzzy

Elizondo, Mellon and Justice have left To The Stars Academy with the aim of putting their efforts into "second gear". Many would argue that their association with Delonge had them in reverse but it cannot be denied that their work over the last couple of years have made the topic less ridiculous to speak out about.

barrymanilow

Is there life on other Planets? Odds are there is

Is that life intelligent enough / motivated enough / capable enough to build craft to leave that planet and travel to other planets ? Maybe

Has some alien civilisation traveled here yet and been spotted in their craft or landed and made contact but Goverments have covered it all up ? I'm leaning towards a big No on that one.

Fuzzyduzzy

barrymanilow wrote: »

Is there life on other Planets? Odds are there is

Is that life intelligent enough / motivated enough / capable enough to build craft to leave that planet and travel to other planets ? Maybe

Has some alien civilisation traveled here yet and been spotted in their craft or landed and made contact but Goverments have covered it all up ? I'm leaning towards a big No on that one.

I predict that by the end of 2021 there will be an entire category on here dedicated to this topic. Things seem to be moving quickly in terms of credible sources speaking out (pilots, astro physicists, senators, government sources, the new UFO task force, the US fighter pilot videos and more). Interesting times ahead.

dexter647

I'm surprised this hasn't had more coverage in the main stream media..Very interesting

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/dec/18/scientists-looking-for-aliens-investigate-radio-beam-from-nearby-star

Mad_maxx

More chance of us killing ourselves through war than surviving long enough to create the technology required to travel to far away planets

Fuzzyduzzy

https://youtu.be/fgWgVMNB040

The O'Hare Airport incident in 2006. Recordings of air traffic discussions have just been released.

barrymanilow

Mad_maxx wrote: »

More chance of us killing ourselves through war than surviving long enough to create the technology required to travel to far away planets

Yes this is what the fermi paradox gets at , as a civilization is getting close to the tech level that would enable intergalactic travel they are also racing towards the probability of developing a mega weapon that blows up the planet or destroying their own environment.

Rhys Essien

Today is the 40th anniversary of the Rendlesham Forest incident. Has to be up there as one of the most credible cases.

https://twitter.com/nickpopemod/status/1342732665238122496?s=21

corminators

The reality is that the RAF AARS (spacecraft) recovery team likely played a prank on the US soldiers based near to them at Rendlesham.

But hey, a lot of people are making a living out of Rendlesham on the conference circuit so who got the last laugh.

BorneTobyWilde

Kumburgaz UFO? wHAT DO people make of that incident? Was that ever proved to be fake?

I love that incident, as it shows Aliens in the craft .

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-54649675

Fuzzyduzzy

Pentagon UAP Task Force report due in 180 days. It's amazing that the fact a funded UAP task force was set up has barely been mentioned by the media or vast public. Meanwhile, Khloe Kardashian reveals her favourite colour is pink.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LueElizondo/status/1343612583274799104

Fuzzyduzzy

https://twitter.com/Declassifiedddd/status/1345849707520798727?s=20

fryup

new footage of flying saucers