Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

EmmetSpiceland

COVID wrote: »

Agree with the above 'ES', save for the bit about the poster's 'scientific integrity', how or where was this established?

He is a scientist by trade, unless I’m confusing him with another poster. If that’s the case, I apologise.

Kunta Kinte

COVID wrote: »

Help!

Brilliant response....................not. I will ask it again. What would you say to someone who suggested what I stated in my previous post?

olestoepoke

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Brilliant response....................not. I will ask it again. What would you say to someone who suggested what I stated in my previous post?

I'd tell them to lay off the bong for a few weeks to clear their heads.

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

You might say 'cynical'; it's a favoured word of religious people for non-believers.

I would prefer to think of myself as slightly less credulous than you, obviously.;)

I would disagree on that C. You're the one coming to conclusions based on no evidence or a misunderstanding of the evidence.

COVID

bangkok wrote: »

are you trying to tell the OP he didnt see what he claims to have seen?

I'm not a doctor, but if I were and someone claimed to have seen such a thing, then I would ask them to come and see me sharpish.

Some people claim to hear voices in their heads, I don't disbelieve the fact that they hear them, but my interpretation of their import and meaning might be at variance with that of the person claiming to hear those voices.

COVID

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Brilliant response....................not. I will ask it again. What would you say to someone who suggested what I stated in my previous post?

Help...please!

bangkok

COVID wrote: »

I'm not a doctor, but if I were and someone claimed to have seen such a thing, then I would ask them to come and see me sharpish.

Some people claim to hear voices in their heads, I don't disbelieve the fact that they hear them, but my interpretation of their import and meaning might be at variance with that of the person claiming to hear those voices.

think its best going forward if i just use the ignore function on the thread and put you on it as you are offering nothing to this thread only adding childish comments. if everyone did that the thread might be interesting

COVID

bangkok wrote: »

think its best going forward if i just use the ignore function on the thread and put you on it as you are offering nothing to this thread only adding childish comments. if everyone did that the thread might be interesting

Or even a lovely echo chamber.;)

COVID

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

He is a scientist by trade, unless I’m confusing him with another poster. If that’s the case, I apologise.

Jeez.

maccored

COVID wrote: »

The fact that you 'outlined' the story doesn't make it any less ludicrous.

However, after claiming to see the above in bold, I believe it might be best for you to pay a visit to your local GP.

Do post back and tell us all how you got on, and don't hold back on telling the full story to him/her.

Do take care.

tell me this - in all honesty, why would I take your advice to go see a doctor? You admit youve never even met anyone who claims to have seen a UFO - yet here you are, the expert on the subject.

But - you keep ploughing ahead. You know best after all. :pac:

COVID

maccored wrote: »

tell me this - in all honesty, why would I take your advice to go see a doctor? You admit youve never even met anyone who claims to have seen a UFO - yet here you are, the expert on the subject.

But - you keep ploughing ahead. You know best after all. :pac:

:pac: to you too, oh and one of these as well!

Kunta Kinte

COVID wrote: »

Help...please!

Let`s try again. What would you say to a person who suggested what I stated?

maccored

bangkok wrote: »

are you trying to tell the OP he didnt see what he claims to have seen?

'dr' covid is trying hard to find any of us that give a ****e about his/her's severe case of cynic-itus. bit of an attention seeker I'd presume

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

I would disagree on that C. You're the one coming to conclusions based on no evidence or a misunderstanding of the evidence.

You love that word 'evidence', but unfortunately, you got none; otherwise, the thread title under discussion would be utterly meaningless.

COVID

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Let`s try again. What would you say to a person who suggested what I stated?

I'd say cop on to yourself.

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How's that?

Bigfatmichael

Won't be here for another while with Covid

Kunta Kinte

COVID wrote: »

I'd say cop on to yourself.

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How's that?

And exactly how would that be a proper response?

COVID

maccored wrote: »

'dr' covid is trying hard to find any of us that give a ****e about his/her's severe case of cynic-itus. bit of an attention seeker I'd presume

You keep replying to my posts though.

cynic-itus Laugh....I nearly started.

COVID

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

And exactly how that would that be a proper response?

Because that would that what I would say.

bangkok

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_1628_incident

interesting report

COVID

I'm off, see you later, space cadets.

maccored

the current '150 ufo reports in ireland' you hear of in the past few months was taken from the National UFO Research Center, Washington's website. If you do a search for 'Ireland', you'll find 146 - and some of those have Ireland twice in the same report so its much less that 150. Its also going back to the 50's. most of it is pretty banal mind you but there's a handful of really interesting ones

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxl.html

maccored

COVID wrote: »

You keep replying to my posts though.

cynic-itus Laugh....I nearly started.

I'll bite.

that wasn't your post I was replying to. d'oh!

Kunta Kinte

COVID wrote: »

I'm off, see you later, space cadets.

Watch the skies. The truth is out there.

Sugarlumps

Saw an object once going back a number of years. Three of us witnessed it. It was night, shined like a star.

It could move horizontal or vertical in an instant. Pretty fecking groovy.

Kimbot

MOD Back on topic folks, any more off topic nonsense will result in bans.

davidbeckham32

never seen one, but believe the US government is in possession of a ufo after the roswell crash

COVID

davidbeckham32 wrote: »

never seen one, but believe the US government is in possession of a ufo after the roswell crash

Not quite.

''(Robert)Park explains the emergence of the Roswell saga as the product of over-active imaginations stitching together bits and pieces of reports of unrelated plane crashes, parachute experiments involving roughly life-like dummies, and so on, even though some of these events occurred many miles from Roswell and years later.''

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/myth-of-ufo-at-roswell-debunked-1.1101393

maccored

who's robert park - besides writing for The Sciences?

COVID

maccored wrote: »

who's robert park - besides writing for The Sciences?

He died last year.

He was emeritus professor of physics at the University of Maryland, College Park.

maccored

and that means he knows a lot about Roswell ... gotcha.

COVID

maccored wrote: »

and that means he knows a lot about Roswell ... gotcha.

You're welcome.

silliussoddius

maccored wrote: »

and that means he knows a lot about Roswell ... gotcha.

Is there much to know about it apart from the one upmanship of claims made by successive UFO investigators decades after the event?

davidbeckham32

COVID wrote: »

Not quite.

''(Robert)Park explains the emergence of the Roswell saga as the product of over-active imaginations stitching together bits and pieces of reports of unrelated plane crashes, parachute experiments involving roughly life-like dummies, and so on, even though some of these events occurred many miles from Roswell and years later.''

didnt the guy who was front and centre in the photos of the wreckage photos say years later that the wreckage in the photos was swapped and what they found was totally different? like he was one of the main people at the time and he said what they found was not of this earth... i think i would believe him, high ranking official, why would he lie

bangkok

davidbeckham32 wrote: »

didnt the guy who was front and centre in the photos of the wreckage photos say years later that the wreckage in the photos was swapped and what they found was totally different? like he was one of the main people at the time and he said what they found was not of this earth... i think i would believe him, high ranking official, why would he lie

Jesse Marcel... his son said he brought some home and it had hyroglific writing on some of the material,said it wouldnt bend or they couldnt damage it either

maccored

silliussoddius wrote: »

Is there much to know about it apart from the one upmanship of claims made by successive UFO investigators decades after the event?

No idea - just wondering what the logic is in thinking a lad knows about the subject because he was a professor. Unless he’d researched it - which is why i asked

Obviously your research standards arent that high going by your post

silliussoddius

maccored wrote: »

No idea - just wondering what the logic is in thinking a lad knows about the subject because he was a professor. Unless he’d researched it - which is why i asked

Obviously your research standards arent that high going by your post

He knows as much about anyone about alien craft?

maccored

silliussoddius wrote: »

He knows as much about anyone about alien craft?

Roswell is about an unidentified flying object crashing. Why are you assuming its an ‘alien craft’? In fact this thread is about ufos - not aliens

steddyeddy

maccored wrote: »

Roswell is about an unidentified flying object crashing. Why are you assuming its an ‘alien craft’? In fact this thread is about ufos - not aliens

Thank you for that. UFO means unidentified. It's interesting to me as a substantial amount of these sightings are unexplained and seem to defy our knowledge of aerial phenomenon.

silliussoddius

maccored wrote: »

Roswell is about an unidentified flying object crashing. Why are you assuming its an ‘alien craft’? In fact this thread is about ufos - not aliens

Most likely a MFO, misidentified flying object like a surveillance ballon or weather balloon. Spare me with the assuming it's alien, this story hasn't been flogged for decades because of something that was unidentified.

maccored

silliussoddius wrote: »

Most likely a MFO, misidentified flying object like a surveillance ballon or weather balloon. Spare me with the assuming it's alien, this story hasn't been flogged for decades because of something that was unidentified.

cheers. though to be fair, I can go outside and ask any other randomer their opinion either.

Ive no idea if anything at all happened in Roswell - but at least I can admit that I dont actually know, rather than pretending I know what happened. I'll bow to your superior knowledge as well. because you KNOW what happened. Yeah?

maccored

steddyeddy wrote: »

Thank you for that. UFO means unidentified. It's interesting to me as a substantial amount of these sightings are unexplained and seem to defy our knowledge of aerial phenomenon.

like I say - I'd like an explanation for the balls of light I saw 6 foot off the ground and a few feet in front of me.

Besides Covid's 'you should see a doctor' blarney. (coincidental fact, I just was at the doctors an hour ago)

COVID

maccored wrote: »

No idea - just wondering what the logic is in thinking a lad knows about the subject because he was a professor. Unless he’d researched it - which is why i asked

Obviously your research standards arent that high going by your post

You asked me who Robert Park was; I told you who he was.

That was 'the logic', oh and yes, he has indeed researched 'Roswell':

''Roswell became a gold mine. The unverified accounts spawned a string of profitable books, and were shamelessly exploited for their entertainment value on television programs and talk shows-even serious ones, such as CBS's 48 Hours, then hosted by Dan Rather, and CNN's Larry King Live. The low point was reached by Fox TV. In 1995 the network began showing grainy black-and-white footage of what was purported to be a government autopsy of one of the aliens-a broadcast that garnered such exceptional ratings (and such exceptional advertising revenues) that it was rerun repeatedly for three years. Then, when ratings finally began to wane, Fox dramatically "exposed" the entire thing as a hoax''.




https://www.nasw.org/sites/default/files/sciencewriters/html/sum00tex/aliens.htm

maccored

silliussoddius wrote: »

Most likely a MFO, misidentified flying object like a surveillance ballon or weather balloon. Spare me with the assuming it's alien, this story hasn't been flogged for decades because of something that was unidentified.

you ARE making the assumption everyone thinks it was alien. Ironically the same assumption you seem to be trying to belittle other people of making. in fact you were the person talking about 'alien craft' - not me. UFO doesnt not equal 'alien craft'

maccored

COVID wrote: »

You asked me who Robert Park was; I told you who he was.

That was 'the logic', oh and yes, he has indeed researched 'Roswell':

''Roswell became a gold mine. The unverified accounts spawned a string of profitable books, and were shamelessly exploited for their entertainment value on television programs and talk shows-even serious ones, such as CBS's 48 Hours, then hosted by Dan Rather, and CNN's Larry King Live. The low point was reached by Fox TV. In 1995 the network began showing grainy black-and-white footage of what was purported to be a government autopsy of one of the aliens-a broadcast that garnered such exceptional ratings (and such exceptional advertising revenues) that it was rerun repeatedly for three years. Then, when ratings finally began to wane, Fox dramatically "exposed" the entire thing as a hoax''.




https://www.nasw.org/sites/default/files/sciencewriters/html/sum00tex/aliens.htm

i could have swore the roswell incident was in 1947 - not 1954. who cares if it became a goldmine - if people think an 'alien' was taken away (which isnt something ive ever claimed) what do you expect it to become? That still doesnt say anything about the original incident or if a UFO was or was not seen or had crashed

COVID

maccored wrote: »

i could have swore the roswell incident was in 1947 - not 1954. who cares if it became a goldmine - if people think an 'alien' was taken away (which isnt something ive ever claimed) what do you expect it to become? That still doesnt say anything about the original incident or if a UFO was or was not seen or had crashed

From the piece you, eh, just read:

The current fascination with aliens can be traced back to the strange events that took place near Roswell in the summer of 1947.

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

You asked me who Robert Park was; I told you who he was.

That was 'the logic', oh and yes, he has indeed researched 'Roswell':

''Roswell became a gold mine. The unverified accounts spawned a string of profitable books, and were shamelessly exploited for their entertainment value on television programs and talk shows-even serious ones, such as CBS's 48 Hours, then hosted by Dan Rather, and CNN's Larry King Live. The low point was reached by Fox TV. In 1995 the network began showing grainy black-and-white footage of what was purported to be a government autopsy of one of the aliens-a broadcast that garnered such exceptional ratings (and such exceptional advertising revenues) that it was rerun repeatedly for three years. Then, when ratings finally began to wane, Fox dramatically "exposed" the entire thing as a hoax''.




https://www.nasw.org/sites/default/files/sciencewriters/html/sum00tex/aliens.htm

That's a review for a TV show. Nothing to do with Roswell except in a most superficial manner.

maccored

COVID wrote: »

From the piece you, eh, just read:

The current fascination with aliens can be traced back to the strange events that took place near Roswell in the summer of 1947.

i wonder who claimed it was a UFO - maybe the military (before quickly changing their tune)

https://www.wired.com/2010/07/0708army-announces-roswell-new-mexico-ufo-sighting/

also - theres plenty of other accounts of UFOs - why are you focusing on this one?

maccored

COVID wrote: »

From the piece you, eh, just read:

The current fascination with aliens can be traced back to the strange events that took place near Roswell in the summer of 1947.

so what exactly is your point? we all agree there were strange events involving an unidentified flying object. granted, the government done a U turn on that - but to this day theres no definitive proof what it was (and therefore still unidentified)

You didnt puncture your own argument did you?

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

That's a review for a TV show. Nothing to do with Roswell except in a most superficial manner.

It's from an article written by Robert Park for,

'The Newsletter For The National Association of SCIENCEWRITERS'
Volume 49, Number 2, Summer 2000

The article includes this gem:

''The widespread belief in alien abductions is just one example of the growing influence of pseudoscience. Two hundred years ago, educated people imagined that the greatest contribution of science would be to free the world from superstition and humbug. It has not happened. Ancient beliefs in demons and magic still sweep across the modern landscape, but they are now dressed in the language and symbols of science: A best-selling health guru asserts that cancer can be banished from the body by the power of the mind. If anyone should doubt it, he explains that it's all firmly grounded in quantum theory''.