Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

COVID

Dr. Bre wrote: »

The vaccines are getting to you ..

Dr, if you have one, I'll take one, or even two.

COVID

Dr. Bre wrote: »

The vaccines are getting to you ..

COVID wrote: »

Dr, if you have one, I'll take one, or even two.

Doh! Forgot my username....I'm off to bed.

jmlad2020

COVID wrote: »

This is from the article you posted:

''As to what the pilots aboard American Airlines Flight 2292 could have actually seen, we really cannot say at this time. Many will point out that New Mexico is home to the sprawling White Sands Missile Range (WSMR) along with a bevy of other military facilities, installations, and restricted areas.''

Anyway, I hope you're not saying that by dint of being a pilot, one is utterly averse to being economical with the actualité.

Seems unlikely to be a test missile in close proximity to a passenger plane.. America surely would wait until there is nothing around to test rockets... More likely a supreme new type of aircraft that is being kept secret than a missile... or...

It's just one of the countless UFO sightings logged close to American air bases. If the Aliens do exist I'm sure they would be interested in what type of weapons those silly dumb earthlings possess..

COVID

jmlad2020 wrote: »

Seems unlikely to be a test missile in close proximity to a passenger plane.. America surely would wait until there is nothing around to test rockets... More likely a supreme new type of aircraft that is being kept secret than a missile... or...

It's just one of the countless UFO sightings logged close to American air bases. If the Aliens do exist I'm sure they would be interested in what type of weapons those silly dumb earthlings possess..

Ah, so they - the non-Earthlings - have the wherewithal to travel innumerable miles from distant worlds, and what do they do with this great power?

They come here to our lovely little planet, so they can keep a weather eye on US Military and/or commercial air traffic over the skies of New Mexico...got it!

jmlad2020

COVID wrote: »

Ah, so they - the non-Earthlings - have the wherewithal to travel innumerable miles from distant worlds, and what do they do with this great power?

They come here to our lovely little planet, so they can keep a weather eye on US Military and/or commercial air traffic over the skies of New Mexico...got it!

You lack imagination.

COVID

jmlad2020 wrote: »

You lack imagination.

And you might have a bit too much!

Kunta Kinte

COVID wrote: »

Ah, so they - the non-Earthlings - have the wherewithal to travel innumerable miles from distant worlds, and what do they do with this great power?

They come here to our lovely little planet, so they can keep a weather eye on US Military and/or commercial air traffic over the skies of New Mexico...got it!

Yes survey/observation missions just as we on Earth would do if we had the technology to travel to inhabited planets in other star systems.

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

Ah, so they - the non-Earthlings - have the wherewithal to travel innumerable miles from distant worlds, and what do they do with this great power?

They come here to our lovely little planet, so they can keep a weather eye on US Military and/or commercial air traffic over the skies of New Mexico...got it!

You don't dismiss phenomena by failing to assign motive. We have humans who travel vast distances to study and characterise new forms of insect.

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

This is from the article you posted:

''As to what the pilots aboard American Airlines Flight 2292 could have actually seen, we really cannot say at this time. Many will point out that New Mexico is home to the sprawling White Sands Missile Range (WSMR) along with a bevy of other military facilities, installations, and restricted areas.''

Anyway, I hope you're not saying that by dint of being a pilot, one is utterly averse to being economical with the actualité.

I think the point is that pilots are more likely to be familiar with aerial phenomena than the average observer. It doesn't mean that they are right if they say aliens of course but If they say they witnessed unidentified flying craft then they should be taken seriously.

The case can be augmented in the case of military pilots who have dedicated radar back-up.

COVID

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Yes survey/observation missions just as we on Earth would do if we had the technology to travel to inhabited planets in other star systems.

Yeah, right.

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think the point is that pilots are more likely to be familiar with aerial phenomena than the average observer. It doesn't mean that they are right if they say aliens of course but If they say they witnessed unidentified flying craft then they should be taken seriously.

The case can be augmented in the case of military pilots who have dedicated radar back-up.

Sure.

People see things in the sky, which aren't immediately recognisable.

Pilots are more likely to see passing objects in the sky than plumbers or chartered accountants.

So what?

COVID

This is what I had in mind with my last post, CNN:

''Given the professionalism of the pilots who reported the sightings, I am fairly certain that they did indeed see a UFO. The problem is that many people jump directly from the "unidentified" in "UFO" to "flying saucer." And that's just too large a jump to be reasonable. There is simply no credible evidence that the Earth is being visited by aliens. There are no artifacts, no clear photographs, no captured aliens, no alien bodies -- nothing.''

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/21/opinions/pilots-seeing-ufos-opinion-lincoln/index.html

ohnonotgmail

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think the point is that pilots are more likely to be familiar with aerial phenomena than the average observer. It doesn't mean that they are right if they say aliens of course but If they say they witnessed unidentified flying craft then they should be taken seriously.

The case can be augmented in the case of military pilots who have dedicated radar back-up.

have they said it was aliens or just that it was something they couldn't explain?

maccored

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

have they said it was aliens or just that it was something they couldn't explain?

doubt they'd be able to say if it was alien or not. Is an unidentified flying object - something they couldnt explain, them being aviation experts etc - downgraded to a 'just'?

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

Sure.

People see things in the sky, which aren't immediately recognisable.

Pilots are more likely to see passing objects in the sky than plumbers or chartered accountants.

But that's not what's happening. Pilots are on record as reporting something unknown based on:

FLIR images and videos
Radar data
Visual observations.

steddyeddy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

have they said it was aliens or just that it was something they couldn't explain?

Most didn't say aliens. Some like the director of CIA said it could be extra-terrestrial based on the FLIR videos taken from the Nimitz encounter.

In the most prominent sightings from military pilots, radar technicians and pilots looking at the recorded videos they were described as unidentified aerial craft.

These sightings led to the formation of a government program (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program - AATIP) tasked with investigating the origin of these craft (Russia, China or who knows?).

The materials studied by AATIP have been the subject of classified congressional hearings aimed at understanding and identifying the potential threat to the safety and security of aviators. The Navy has confirmed that, in response to inquiries by members of Congress, they have provided a series of briefings by senior naval intelligence officials as well as testimony from "aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety".[40] The contents of those briefings are classified, but Senator Mark Warner, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who participated in one of those briefings, released a statement requesting further research into "unexplained interference in the air" that could pose safety concerns for naval pilots.[37] According to Popular Mechanics, Senate Intelligence Committee Brigadier General Richard Stapp, Director of the DoD Special Access Program Central Office, testified the mysterious objects being encountered by the military were not related to secret U.S. technology.

Kunta Kinte

COVID wrote: »

Yeah, right.

Good to see that you agree with me.

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

But that's not what's happening. Pilots are on record as reporting something unknown based on:

FLIR images and videos
Radar data
Visual observations.

No.

They're seeing things in the sky (in most cases, passing at great speed) which aren't immediately identifiable....or, as a previous poster said: ''something they couldn't explain''.

And yes, sometimes, FLIR images and videos, radar data confirm these sightings.

Sightings of what though?

Aliens from another planet, or even another galaxy?

We're back to the thread title under discussion; Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

Some do, some don't.

maccored

COVID wrote: »

No.

They're seeing things in the sky (in most cases, passing at great speed) which aren't immediately identifiable....or, as a previous poster said: ''something they couldn't explain''.

And yes, sometimes, FLIR images and videos, radar data confirm these sightings.

Sightings of what though?

Aliens from another planet, or even another galaxy.

We're back to the thread title under discussion; Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

So do, some don't.

what are they seeing then in the likes of the tictac video, if not something unidentified - as admitted to being so by the US Airforce.

Rather than admit we dont know what it is, you'd prefer a conspiracy theory that its one of their own and they arent telling us? (lets not even look down the rabbit hole of why bother making it public in the first place if that were the case)

They cant identify the objects - thats what a UFO is.

COVID

maccored wrote: »

what are they seeing then in the likes of the tictac video, if not something unidentified - as admitted to being so by the US Airforce.

Rather than admit we dont know what it is, you'd prefer a conspiracy theory that its one of their own and they arent telling us? (lets not even look down the rabbit hole of why bother making it public in the first place if that were the case)

They cant identify the objects - thats what a UFO is.

We'll agree on the last line in bold.

Believe me; I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

If anything, I'd wager that there are more conspiracy theorists amongst the ranks of 'believers' in alien spaceships, flying-saucers, etc., than those of us of a more sceptical nature.

maccored

COVID wrote: »

We'll agree on the last line in bold.

Believe me; I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

If anything, I'd wager that there are more conspiracy theorists amongst the ranks of 'believers' in alien spaceships, flying-saucers, etc., than those of us of a more sceptical nature.

thats all ive ever been saying - as has most on this thread.

the difference here is that the US Airforce - who know quite a lot about aviation - dont know what it is so they have the manpower and money to have researched the options before saying they dont know what it is.

that carries weight to say it probably isnt the usual suspects like birds, flying pigs etc etc. Like it was in the air in front of the plane - not in space.

it doesnt have to be an alien to make that interesting

COVID

maccored wrote: »

thats all ive ever been saying - as has most on this thread.

the difference here is that the US Airforce - who know quite a lot about aviation - dont know what it is so they have the manpower and money to have researched the options before saying they dont know what it is.

that carries weight to say it probably isnt the usual suspects like birds, flying pigs etc etc. Like it was in the air in front of the plane - not in space.

it doesnt have to be an alien to make that interesting

Eh, no, the usual suspects are other aircraft.

And in my world, pigs don't fly, but you're free to believe they do, of course.

COVID

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I beg your pardon.

There was a flying pig on the cover of the 1977 album 'Animals' by Pink Floyd.

My bad, again.

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

Eh, no, the usual suspects are other aircraft.

And in my world, pigs don't fly, but you're free to believe they do, of course.

So you're telling me you know what the objects are yet radar, pilots, senior air force officials don't? No C, that's a conspiracy.

The story of the Tic Tac begins around November 10, 2004, when radar operator Kevin Day first reported seeing odd and slow-moving objects flying in groups of five to ten off of San Clemente Island, west of the San Diego coast. At an elevation of 28,000 feet, moving at a speed of approximately 120 knots (about 138 miles per hour), the clusters were too high to be birds, too slow to be conventional aircraft, and were not traveling on any established flight path, at least according to Day.

In a military report made public by KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, another crew member with 17 years of experience on similar cruisers would later observe that the objects “exhibited ballistic-missile characteristics” as they zoomed from 60,000 feet to 50 feet above the Pacific Ocean, alarmingly without producing sonic booms. All told, radar operators with the Princeton spent about two weeks attempting to figure out what the objects were, a process that included having the ship’s radar system shut down and recalibrated to make sure that the mysterious radar returns were not not false positives, or “ghost tracks.”

It wasn’t — to the best of my knowledge — a cruise missile or any other kind of test aircraft that we possibly may have not known about, just because of the way it was behaving. Like I said, it was just very erratic. It would go from like 50 feet off the ground, which when you’re out in the open ocean, you know, off the coast of San Diego, it looked like it was just hovering over the water. But there was no method of propulsion that was keeping it airborne: no wings, no heat, keeping it airborne or aloft.

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

So you're telling me you know what the objects are yet radar, pilots, senior air force officials don't? No C, that's a conspiracy.

No, I'm not telling you I know what the objects are, but I am telling you that you don't either.

Btw, who am I in conspiracy with, I'm entitled to know, surely?

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

No.

They're seeing things in the sky (in most cases, passing at great speed) which aren't immediately identifiable....or, as a previous poster said: ''something they couldn't explain''.

And yes, sometimes, FLIR images and videos, radar data confirm these sightings.

Sightings of what though?

Aliens from another planet, or even another galaxy?

We're back to the thread title under discussion; Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

Some do, some don't.

Why are you asking me? I didn't see one. I'm drawing on radar data, infra-red and pilot accounts.

Here's what the pilot in the Nimitz case said about it.

Cmdr. David Fravor, a former squadron leader who worked as a Navy pilot for 18 years, said on Monday he was on a routine training mission off the coast of California in 2004 when his unit was directed to go and examine strange unidentified objects that were descending from 80,000 to 20,000 feet, and then disappearing.

Upon flying 60 miles to the location, Fravor says he saw a tic-tac shaped object, “40 feet long with no wings, just hanging close to the water,” in an interview with the Washington Post on Monday. He said it created a disturbance on the water uncharacteristic of a helicopter or a plane, and moved rapidly.

“As I get closer, as my nose is starting to pull back up, it accelerates and it’s gone,” he told the Post. “Faster than I’d ever seen anything in my life. We turn around, say let’s go see what’s in the water and there’s nothing. Just blue water.”

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

Why are you asking me? I didn't see one. I'm drawing on radar data, infra-red and pilot accounts.

Here's what the pilot in the Nimitz case said about it.

Who are my co-conspirators?

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

No, I'm not telling you I know what the objects are, but I am telling you that you don't either.

Btw, who am I in conspiracy with, I'm entitled to know, surely?

Bravo C we got there in the end. It's a mystery that is worthy of investigation exactly because the sighted objects don't correspond with known aircraft. That's why the airforce are investigating it.

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

Bravo C we got there in the end. It's a mystery that is worthy of investigation exactly because the sighted objects don't correspond with known aircraft. That's why the airforce are investigating it.

Well done you too, you're back to where you started.

steddyeddy

maccored wrote: »

thats all ive ever been saying - as has most on this thread.

the difference here is that the US Airforce - who know quite a lot about aviation - dont know what it is so they have the manpower and money to have researched the options before saying they dont know what it is.

that carries weight to say it probably isnt the usual suspects like birds, flying pigs etc etc. Like it was in the air in front of the plane - not in space.

it doesnt have to be an alien to make that interesting

Exactly that. The airforce have spent over 20 million investigating these sightings and radar recordings. This is a huge mystery whether or no aliens are involved.

steddyeddy

COVID wrote: »

Well done you too, you're back to where you started.

Thanks C

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

Exactly that. The airforce have spent over 20 million investigating these sightings and radar recordings. This is a huge mystery whether or no aliens are involved.

So you haven't completely ruled out aliens?

COVID

steddyeddy wrote: »

Thanks C

You're welcome.

EmmetSpiceland

COVID wrote: »

So you haven't completely ruled out aliens?

I thought aliens was ruled out a few posts back?

COVID

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I thought aliens was ruled out a few posts back?

Apparently not.

silliussoddius

steddyeddy wrote: »

Exactly that. The airforce have spent over 20 million investigating these sightings and radar recordings. This is a huge mystery whether or no aliens are involved.

Aka Harry Reid and Ted Stevens gave $20 million to a group of people associated with Robert Bigelow, mainly led by the level headed Tom DeLonges entertainment company. This was just a handful of alien hypothesists at a desk.

steddyeddy

silliussoddius wrote: »

Aka Harry Reid and Ted Stevens gave $20 million to a group of people associated with Robert Bigelow, mainly led by the level headed Tom DeLonges entertainment company. This was just a handful of alien hypothesists at a desk.

I think you're confusing that with something else? I'm talking about a classified government program.

steddyeddy

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I thought aliens was ruled out a few posts back?

it doesn't work that way E.

You have a mystery. You don't need to rule out anything so elaborate from the beginning. Personally I would rule out the more prosaic explanations first.

steddyeddy

And I didn't really find the subject intriguing before the military released these videos and pilot testimony. This encounter was harder to explain and that's why I'm defending it as a real mystery that can't be explained (or at least hasn't) by the ordinary.

barbara anne

No I don't believe in any of that

saabsaab

I saw them UFOs (with others) so I believe.

rhc2s4lj5p0xu9

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

They were behind on clearing that patch of wood and it was coming up to the winter so they weren't going to be paid until the following spring. So the guys made up that story faked the disappearance and got their money. It was a scam and Walton has made a ton of money out of it every since. It's a great story and fair play but it was obviously a scam.

I don't think that is true. Normally i would not give Travis or his ilk any time I simply do not believe in UFO ships. But i am puzzled the crew all passed lie detector and still stick to story 46 years later with not much gain. I don't think even Travis made a fortune he still works in a factory as far as i know. He has sold a lot books made a couple of films and does lecture but i don't think he made a fortune and if he did wouldnt the others want a share if it was a hoax? What did the others gain?



I would be more inclined to believe it was some earth craft or MKULTRA experiment. But if a hoax vs aliens i go for hoax. i just don't see how

maccored

COVID wrote: »

So you haven't completely ruled out aliens?

whats with your aliens fixation?

Steve012

To the OP, Yes I believe in "ufo's", The Americans have been flying them for years. TR3B for example

COVID

maccored wrote: »

whats with your aliens fixation?

What's with yours?

jmlad2020

Steve012 wrote: »

To the OP, Yes I believe in "ufo's", The Americans have been flying them for years. TR3B for example

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/world-news/us-news/pentagon-report-on-uaps-contains-extremely-clear-picture-of-suspected-ufo.html

This recent high profile case doesn't look like a TR3B. Seems an odd shape for military craft. Pilots upon seeing it described this silver Cube object as "Motionless" and "hovering"

Tell me. If the Pentagon can't even decipher what these objects are why are some people so quick to discount this stuff?

Steve012

jmlad2020 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/world-news/us-news/pentagon-report-on-uaps-contains-extremely-clear-picture-of-suspected-ufo.html

This recent high profile case doesn't look like a TR3B. Seems an odd shape for military craft. Pilots upon seeing it described this silver Cube object as "Motionless" and "hovering"

Tell me. If the Pentagon can't even decipher what these objects are why are some people so quick to discount this stuff?

Looks like the devils head that one! lol, very cool, great post man!!

steddyeddy

Steve012 wrote: »

To the OP, Yes I believe in "ufo's", The Americans have been flying them for years. TR3B for example

I don't think that the TR3B would have the capabilities described during the Nimitz encounter.

Steve012

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't think that the TR3B would have the capabilities described during the Nimitz encounter.

Yeah fck knows to be honest, A fella once asked me do you believe in Aliens, it was at night when he asked, I said look up, what do you see?
"Loads of stars Steve"
There's your answer man

steddyeddy

Steve012 wrote: »

Yeah fck knows to be honest, A fella once asked me do you believe in Aliens, it was at night when he asked, I said look up, what do you see?
"Loads of stars Steve"
There's your answer man

The universe is too big for there not to be intelligent life elsewhere IMHO.