Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

Fuzzyduzzy

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

That night vision recording is nothing but an aircraft. The visuals are out of focus and this is why the object looks triangle shaped, also the flashing lights are a dead givaway to it being a normal aircraft. You can see the two other bright objects far out of focus as well.

You might be correct! What are you expecting from the report in June? And why do you think the government might be releasing these videos?

The Oort Cloud

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

You might be correct! What are you expecting from the report in June? And why do you think the government might be releasing these videos?

In December 2020, the government enacted the Intelligence Authorization Act, which called for the release of an unclassified and all-sources report on unidentified aerial phenomenon.

I see the same thing happening again with a lot of redacted documents being released and they are only going to release unclassified documents not classified ones which they never would release in the first place. I don't think there will ever be full disclosure on the uap/ufo phenomena by the U.S industrial complex or their government in the United states or Canada.

Don't forget, the military and navy heads over there love it when people call their own top secret aerospace aircraft 'ufo's' as it takes the magnifying glass away from their own secret aerospace black budget programs. Don't get me wrong, there is definitely some very unusual sightings of which has nothing to do with any military setting or government on the planet, but the majority of sightings can be attributed to secret military projects.

To be honest with you, I have being looking into this ufo field for a few decades and I have heard of some very unusual encounters with what seemed to be physical solid craft of different shapes and sizes and most of the reports show that these close up encounters seem to be not entirely solid craft but they can phase in and out of solidity into nothingness and then phase back in in seconds like some kind of cloaking technology and then vanish in a split second altogether.

Studying this phenomena would be almost impossible for scientists to study because real true visual encounters like the above would need to be in a box where they can be studied without them moving or vanishing away so quickly, it's a really tough one.

Something that can just pop into our reality and then pop out in an instant from an observer/observers view is going to be damn hard to ever study or find out what they really are. They could be some serious kind of technologically advanced robotic probes from elsewhere as we send out robotic probes all the time into space or they could be some kind of intelligent life-forms mimicking solidly shaped craft. Who know's what the real ones are.

The Oort Cloud

Half of those really huge and weird ufo's that are seen in Australia and the states could also be holograms produced from a drone or multiple drones, they already have that technology. Remember that video recently from Seattle new years celebrations of the holographic show? well that was from a building, I'm sure a military project could produce the same or even better from a soundless drone/drones at height and make the hologram move. Link below to Seattle holographic show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ow0ET-ob3E

Project blue beam maybe?.

Hamsterchops

Hi

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Half of those really huge and weird ufo's that are seen in Australia and the states could also be holograms produced from a drone or multiple drones, they already have that technology. Remember that video recently from Seattle new years celebrations of the holographic show? well that was from a building, I'm sure a military project could produce the same or even better from a soundless drone/drones at height and make the hologram move. Link below to Seattle holographic show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ow0ET-ob3E

Project blue beam maybe?.

Holograms & drones might explain some unexplained sightings, but what then about the civil aircraft @32 thousand feet and something goes over the top of them?

Also, holograms, projections and the like were not advanced enough if you go back a decade, or two, or three. Too many sightings going back a long time for sightings to be drones and the like.

The Oort Cloud

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Holograms & drones might explain some unexplained sightings, but what then about the civil aircraft @32 thousand feet and something goes over the top of them?

Also, holograms, projections and the like we're not advanced enough if you go back a decade, or two, or three. Too many sightings going back a long time for sightings to be drones and the like.

People have to take all of this into account in todays world, but, you are correct when it comes to older encounters before 1947 and the documented cases of the 1800's and before that. I agree that holograms where not involved then but they could very possibly be involved now of which makes studying the phenomena even harder.

Japan Airlines Flight 1628 incident in 1986 I have to say was a very interesting one and that aircraft was flying at 35,000 ft. I know that there are real unknowns as I said in my previous comments but with the technology used now by militaries like the air force and other world militaries, holograms would be a good way to stir up fear for whatever reason they would want to.

I definitely agree with you though in regard to much older recorded cases.

BettyS

The Ariel school is one of the few UFO stories that I struggle to explain

steddyeddy

BettyS wrote: »

The Ariel school is one of the few UFO stories that I struggle to explain

Those kids were studied continuously by psychiatrists and psychologists from every academic institution as an example of potential mass hysteria. It's a creepy one for me as it was determined that it wasn't actually a case of mass hysteria. This is from an academic review of mass hysteria cases:

62 school children all reported seeing an alien craft land and extraterrestrial creatures emerge. Virtually every single one of the 62 children iterated the exact same story with same details and none of them had gone against his/her story. Many dismissed the 1994 incident as mass hysteria affecting the children. But when the children were found to not have much prior knowledge to UFOS or popular UFO perceptions, many other people believed that what the children witnessed could have been real. The children were asked to draw what they have encountered the day prior.

BettyS

steddyeddy wrote: »

Those kids were studied continuously by psychiatrists and psychologists from every academic institution as an example of potential mass hysteria. It's a creepy one for me as it was determined that it wasn't actually a case of mass hysteria. This is from an academic review of mass hysteria cases:

No matter how much I try to understand what happened, I cannot

Beechwoodspark

BettyS wrote: »

No matter how much I try to understand what happened, I cannot

Practical joke or maybe even a stunt to bring tourism and attention??

They say you should always go with the most likely reason for occurrences ...the above is more likely than a genuine ufo

BettyS

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Practical joke or maybe even a stunt to bring tourism and attention??

They say you should always go with the most likely reason for occurrences ...the above is more likely than a genuine ufo

But why 20 years+ are the witnesses maintaining the same story? And how could they get a 100 students to recount an identical story the following day, when interviewed. And Rhodesia was not your classical place looking for more tourism?

silliussoddius

Supposedly there were various accounts of what the aliens looked like, children were then interviewed together instead of separately and stories converged to more similar descriptions. Then there is the whole environmental message about warning humanity. Was the message so important the aliens just stopped off at one school and said mission accomplished?

BettyS

silliussoddius wrote: »

Supposedly there were various accounts of what the aliens looked like, children were then interviewed together instead of separately and stories converged to more similar descriptions. Then there is the whole environmental message about warning humanity. Was the message so important the aliens just stopped off at one school and said mission accomplished?

Please source the account where they say that they differed a lot and did not converge until they were together? I have read up on it and cannot find that account

silliussoddius

https://badufos.blogspot.com/2016/07/a-new-investigation-of-1994-ariel.html?m=1#comment-form
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4760

BettyS

I will have a look through. But what is his basis for going against the evidence and dismissing it as a hoax or practical joke?

steddyeddy

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Practical joke or maybe even a stunt to bring tourism and attention??

They say you should always go with the most likely reason for occurrences ...the above is more likely than a genuine ufo

Very true B. It could be those things but science doesn't by assuming the "most likey". Arthur Conan Doyle led people astray with that one. The most likely explanation is that with the most evidence.

BettyS

steddyeddy wrote: »

Very true B. It could be those things but science doesn't by assuming the "most likey". Arthur Conan Doyle led people astray with that one. The most likely explanation is that with the most evidence.

My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that the kids more or less all gave the same narrative but their attribution of the meaning of the event was different (ie some kids thought that they were the Gardner, some thought that they were a legendary goblin-type creature)

lintdrummer

What is the significance of the recent acknowledgments by US government that some images circulating have been taken by US military personnel?

Is there any precedent for this? I know of the "Tic Tac" infra red video, the "go fast" video and the more recent images of the spherical objects which the US government have verified.

It seems unusual to me that they are not only publicly acknowledging the existence of these images but also lending credibility by verifying they are from military sources and then admitting that they don't know what they are. Maybe I'm just influenced by years of Hollywood movies but I expected a wall of silence or a benign explanation of some sort.

We are now in a situation where there are 3 possibilities as far as I'm concerned:

1. The images and videos are unexplained but benign in nature, just one of those things that you would say "oh, how stupid" if you found out what it is (Birds, balloons etc.). I think this is unlikely, particularly after watching Commander David Fravor on Joe Rogan. The man is an experienced pilot and he knows what he saw with his own eyes was extremely unusual.

2. They are black budget US military projects that only a handful of people know about. There is precedent for this kind of thing but would they be out testing this stuff in daylight over active military training exercises? Possibly but I'm skeptical.

3. They are "craft" of some kind and they are of unknown origin to the Pentagon. They may be terrestrial and China is having a laugh annoying the yanks with their superior technology. They may be extra terrestrial and who knows what implications that has.

Interesting times!

steddyeddy

BettyS wrote: »

My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that the kids more or less all gave the same narrative but their attribution of the meaning of the event was different (ie some kids thought that they were the Gardner, some thought that they were a legendary goblin-type creature)

I watched James Fox's documentary "The Phenomenon" and they had good coverage of the issue. They even brought back these kids as adults. None of them changed their story.

Fuzzyduzzy

Should be interesting if she asks him about the new videos.

https://twitter.com/JohnRatcliffe/status/1380965872131575811?s=20

Hdjsjsjsj

Most likely military tech I'd say but would be far more interesting if not

steddyeddy

The reason the military is being more open about it all is partly due to a guy called Chris Melon. Chris is a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. He even served as the Staff Director of the United States Senate Select Committee on intelligence. Chris had met several airforce pilots who told him they had encounters with aircraft going over 80,000 feet a second and which actively blocked their radar. Chris investigated more and realised that the military had recorded huge amounts of encounters but kept them secret.

Here's Chris talking about the part he played in the Pentagon UFO investigation team. He was deputy assistant secretary for defence so should be taken seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTdCDfEu6x0

Hamsterchops

Hdjsjsjsj wrote: »

Most likely military tech I'd say but would be far more interesting if not

Definitely not military tech, seeing as these unknown craft make manoeuvres that are so fast and so irregular (as to be impossible) according to our laws of physics!

They're not just slightly advanced Russian or Chinese tech, these things appear, disappear, then change direction "like a ping pong ball hitting a wall" according to David Fravor. Humans just can't do that tech, it ain't possible.

After watching George Knapp, Chad Underwood & David Fravor being interviewed, I think we can safely discount military tech.

bb12

so saw a light in the sky tonight that i can't explain. at first i thought it was an airplane turning in the sky, you know the way you get a full view of the headlights that are quite bright when they turn towards you, but within 2 seconds it just disappeared. i then realised there were no aircraft in the sky (i'm near enough dublin airport to see planes taking off and landing)...then i thought maybe it's the space station as i've seen that in the past but normally i see that whizz by most of the skyline before disappearing...the lights though didn't see as far up as the iss and didn't travel across the skyline...i've just checked the iss tracker and it says there are no sightings in my area at the moment or for the next 2 weeks. i don't believe it was a meteorite as i've seen plenty of those and it wasn't travelling at the same speed...the fact that i mistook it for a plane at first shows how slow it was travelling....anyhow i checked flightradar and nothing in the vicinity so wasn't a plane. absolutely wasn't a firework or a sky lantern or any of that kind of stuff..

i literally just saw it for 2 seconds but it was very bright and then it just disappeared. i have no explanation of what it might have been

OldRio

Probably an Iridium flare. Sunlight reflecting off a satellite.

New Home

Or a drone?

ErnestBorgnine

OldRio wrote: »

Probably an Iridium flare. Sunlight reflecting off a satellite.

Should have hit it with an inverse tachyon pulse, would have told him for certain.

buried

steddyeddy wrote: »

The reason the military is being more open about it all is partly due to a guy called Chris Melon. Chris is a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.

You want me to take this guy seriously after being involved in this administrations $hitshow? What was his 'intelligence' doing during that timeframe? Taking a p!ss? If this lad told me that tomorrow is going to be Wednesday I wouldn't believe the hoor

Hamsterchops

It will seem very strange when we all wake up one morning (hopefully in June) and the headline news is the fact that we are not alone!

That will be stunning news, like off the scale of stunning. To think that there is another intelligence out there far more advanced than ours and Washington announces that they don't know who they are or where they come from. It really will be the biggest news since the birth of civilization?

Personally I'm not going down the Alien route, more like something else sharing our space from a different dimension? I don't have a clue really, but my God, when that announcement is made, Wow!

Steve012

Hamsterchops wrote: »

It will seem very strange when we all wake up one morning (hopefully in June) and the headline news is the fact that we are not alone!

That will be stunning news, like off the scale of stunning. To think that there is another intelligence out there far more advanced than ours and Washington announces that they don't know who they are or where they come from. It really will be the biggest news since the birth of civilization?

Personally I'm not going down the Alien route, more like something else sharing our space from a different dimension? I don't have a clue really, but my God, when that announcement is made, Wow!

My do you think "June" man?

Hamsterchops

That's what the New York Times says.

Man.

steddyeddy

Steve012 wrote: »

My do you think "June" man?

That's the deadline for the Pentagon/CIA report on UFOs.

silliussoddius

Hamsterchops wrote: »

It will seem very strange when we all wake up one morning (hopefully in June) and the headline news is the fact that we are not alone!

That will be stunning news, like off the scale of stunning. To think that there is another intelligence out there far more advanced than ours and Washington announces that they don't know who they are or where they come from. It really will be the biggest news since the birth of civilization?

Personally I'm not going down the Alien route, more like something else sharing our space from a different dimension? I don't have a clue really, but my God, when that announcement is made, Wow!

You expect evidence of this is going to be wheeled out by the US military?
I’m still finding it strange that a lot of people are putting hope in the US intelligence agencies. Especially as many of these people are conspiracy minded and US intelligence is part of the deep state.

Hamsterchops

The evidence is already being drip fed to us, one week it's Tic-tac, the next Gyro, now it's pyramids.

All authenticated by the Pentagon as Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. The report in June will I presume put meat on the bones with an official announcement, that they don't know who or what is being witnessed in our skies.

Origin unknown.

silliussoddius

So we’re going to go from grainy videos and 2D green triangles to a full out crystal clear evidence of aliens/trans dimensional entites (are these the same things).
Are these recent releases official pentagon or just the Bigelow brigade?

Hamsterchops

silliussoddius wrote: »

So we’re going to go from grainy videos and 2D green triangles to a full out crystal clear evidence of aliens/trans dimensional entites (are these the same things).
Are these recent releases official pentagon or just the Bigelow brigade?

Official Pentagon, crystal clear objects of Unexplained & Unidentified origin, capable of speeds and manoeuvres unknown to man.

It's not like the Daily Star is releasing an official report on unexplained UAPs, it's the Pentagon.

buried

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Official Pentagon, crystal clear objects of Unexplained & Unidentified origin, capable of speeds and manoeuvres unknown to man.

None of that is any proof of this phenomenon being Extraterrestrial in nature. All of these things they are reporting to have seen may be a terrestrial phenomenon. There is a great deal unknown to man even on this very planet. Only a few weeks ago at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, the scientists there announced they have discovered a brand new force of nature, nature that has always been here with us but they have only discovered this force now.

Beechwoodspark

I’d say this “ufo report” will be fairly underwhelming whenever it actually comes

silliussoddius

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Official Pentagon, crystal clear objects of Unexplained & Unidentified origin, capable of speeds and manoeuvres unknown to man.

It's not like the Daily Star is releasing an official report on unexplained UAPs, it's the Pentagon.

The same Pentagon that studied remote viewing and psychics in the past. I might release a batman balloon to celebrate disclosure.

Hamsterchops

buried wrote: »

None of that is any proof of this phenomenon being Extraterrestrial in nature. All of these things they are reporting to have seen may be a terrestrial phenomenon. There is a great deal unknown to man even on this very planet. Only a few weeks ago at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, the scientists there announced they have discovered a brand new force of nature, nature that has always been here with us but they have only discovered this force now.

That's why I said this in post #1402 ...

"Personally I'm not going down the Alien route, more like something else sharing our space from a different dimension? I don't have a clue really".

silliussoddius

A more earthly explanation of the 2D pyramids.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-r2oaQWmqkk

Fuzzyduzzy

https://twitter.com/nickpopemod/status/1383154240919539714?s=20

https://mobile.twitter.com/guardian/status/1383086768795353090

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/13/pentagon-investigates-pulsating-pyramid-shaped-ufos-california/

Interesting to see the UK press not ridiculing it now either

MyLove4Satan

I have been involved in looking deep into this topic for years and I have come to the conclusion that the ones which are not secret military projects are probably some aspect of quantum effects which we don't fully understand the science of. I also believe that it is rooted in the same experience as fairy folklore. But within the human consciousness of the technological age. Both Carl Jung and Aleister Crowley said that what our ancestors saw as demons and goblins, modern humans experience as flying saucers. I completely agree with this.

I am almost 100% certain they are not nuts and bolts alien space craft. They are akin to disturbances in the quantum field - and there is an element of Entanglement with human observation/perceptions - and this is why when you zoom a camera in on them they become more vague and fuzzy. They are not actually there. We are seeing the effects they have on the localized field. There are even people who can make them appear at will too.

Also, if you look at stories of alien abduction and compare them to Celtic and Scandinavian stories of people being taken by Fairies, the stories are almost identical.

Fuzzyduzzy

MyLove4Satan wrote: »

I have been involved in looking deep into this topic for years and I have come to the conclusion that the ones which are not secret military projects are probably some aspect of quantum effects which we don't fully understand the science of. I also believe that it is rooted in the same experience as fairy folklore. But within the human consciousness of the technological age. Both Carl Jung and Aleister Crowley said that what our ancestors saw as demons and goblins, modern humans experience as flying saucers. I completely agree with this.

I am almost 100% certain they are not nuts and bolts alien space craft. They are akin to disturbances in the quantum field - and there is an element of Entanglement with human observation/perceptions - and this is why when you zoom a camera in on them they become more vague and fuzzy. They are not actually there. We are seeing the effects they have on the localized field. There are even people who can make them appear at will too.

Also, if you look at stories of alien abduction and compare them to Celtic and Scandinavian stories of people being taken by Fairies, the stories are almost identical.

Very interesting viewpoint, can you recommend any reading?

MyLove4Satan

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

Very interesting viewpoint, can you recommend any reading?

Any of the books by the Jacques Vallee especially Passport to Magnolia

Hamsterchops

Makes me wonder what's going on?

The Pentagon, that's THE Pentagon releases a video preporting to show a UAP, the news media outlets pick up on this, they then conduct interviews with "top experts" who agree that the videos, Gimbal, Pyramid and Bat Balloon etc cannot be explained, then Mick West cones along and calmly & logically explains what is being seen. Bat Balloon is just a helium balloon, Gimbal is a distant aeroplane, the object shooting along on the surface of the ocean is a duck, and the pyramids are just and aeroplane & stars!

If Mr West is correct, then what the hell is the Pentagon doing telling us that they are filming UAPs? Like who's telling the truth? The US Navy and the Pentagon, or Mick West?

silliussoddius

I’d say it’s a case of true believer members of the Bigelow brigade who want to believe and are working backwards from the viewpoint that UFOs are alien craft and are reaching for what they think is the best evidence.
This is the kind of stuff that the CIA spent time on in the past.
https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-cias-psychic-probe-of-ancient-martian-civilization

Larbre34

Hamsterchops wrote: »

If Mr West is correct, then what the hell is the Pentagon doing telling us that they are filming UAPs ? Like who's telling the truth? The US Navy and the Pentagon, or Nick West?

Mick West.

None of the live commentary from the Navy pilots concerning the speed of the phenomena can be tallied with Mr West's explanations. He's allowed to be skeptical but its not credible to jump into a situation and just pick explanations out of his arse.

You can be sure the Pentagon aren't telling the truth, at least the whole truth. Thats not their game. But West isn't either because he simply doesn't have any source close to the events.

It'd be foolish for anyone to expect a big reveal in June. Irrespective of the outcome of the report, it can be classified quite easily if it contains any tenuous threat to national security, and so only a few people will see it and even the Congressional Committees will be obliged to keep it zipped.

Is there advanced intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. Through sheer probability we can say, heck yes. Have they visited this planet? Maybe. But if they have the technology to make the trip, surely they have the technology to easily evade detection...

I hope to live another 50 years. In that time I serious doubt I will see incontrovertible and globally accepted evidence of extraterrestrial life and if I do, its more likely our technology will have advanced to detect it in its own locale, rather than alien tourists being confirmed on Earth.

Even if that information does become known to some narrow section of humanity, the consequences of it becoming public and changing the paradigm of our own civilisation will be too great for those same people to release it.

Extra user.

No

Sci-Fi made a big impression on me as a child

Movies like 'the day the earth stood still ' but I've no interest in it now
I assume this is how it all started ?

Fuzzyduzzy

https://www.audiobooks.com/audiobook/exogenesis-hybrid-humans-a-scientific-history-of-extraterrestrial-genetic-manipulation/410732?refId=39064&gclid=CjwKCAjwjuqDBhAGEiwAdX2cj47iYD5Stovut9c8CH6hVUHVsNFVz1x2V4Hrcd5L3fXItHLDnTe93RoCzFEQAvD_BwE

30 minute sample available above from the book Exogenesis: Hybrid Humans: A Scientific History of Extraterrestrial Genetic Manipulation. Interesting theory.

fryup

Larbre34 wrote: »

He's allowed to be skeptical but its not credible to jump into a situation and just pick explanations out of his arse.

must be painful