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Nasty Journalists.

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  • 26-05-2020 7:06pm
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    Sam Quentin
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    The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
    Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.


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    Rodney Bathgate
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    Not to mention the head of the private nursing homes association or whatever it is called doing her best to pass the buck.


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    Rodney Bathgate
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    Didn’t some SF TD have to apologise for spreading “fake news” by massively exaggerating the death toll in one home.


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    Eggs For Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Do you not think that people in power and positions of authority need to be questioned vigorously? Irish citizens have suffered badly in the past because people were afraid to challenge such things


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    debok
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Didn’t some SF TD have to apologise for spreading “fake news” by massively exaggerating the death toll in one home.

    Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    debok wrote: »
    Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

    No idea why you are quoting my post.

    For the record:

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sinn-fein-td-apologises-after-falsely-claiming-17-people-died-in-one-nursing-home-39149665.html

    “Sinn Féin TD Dessie Ellis has been forced to apologise after incorrectly claiming 17 people died in one nursing home.”


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    Rodney Bathgate
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    debok wrote: »
    Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

    A bit of context to this ‘claim’ (?) might help.


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    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Didn’t some SF TD have to apologise for spreading “fake news” by massively exaggerating the death toll in one home.


    Didn't Simon say there were 18 other Covid viruses with vaccines.


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Didn't Simon say there were 18 other Covid viruses with vaccines.

    Stick up a link there, would love to read that, thanks.

    I have already posted a link to the apology from Dessie Ellis for disseminating fake news.


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    SEPT 23 1989
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    As bad as today's breed of journalists are they should be allowed ask questions


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    debok
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    No idea why you are quoting my post.

    For the record:

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sinn-fein-td-apologises-after-falsely-claiming-17-people-died-in-one-nursing-home-39149665.html

    “Sinn Féin TD Dessie Ellis has been forced to apologise after incorrectly claiming 17 people died in one nursing home.”

    Quoting you because the thread was about journalists tough questioning but you straightaway brought sinn Fein into it.

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/


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    AllForIt
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    Unfortunately the ****ty journalism that goes on in the UK is seeping over here. The last 4 days in the UK has been an all time low for their journalism with the exaggerations, lies and downright nastyness. Mind you, they've always been like that in my memory. They're one of the worse in the world for it, invented it even.


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    CollyFlower
    Registered Users Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Stick up a link there, would love to read that, thanks.

    I have already posted a link to the apology from Dessie Ellis for disseminating fake news.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478?mode=amp


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    debok
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Stick up a link there, would love to read that, thanks.

    I have already posted a link to the apology from Dessie Ellis for disseminating fake news.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478%3fmode=amp


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    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Stick up a link there, would love to read that, thanks.

    I have already posted a link to the apology from Dessie Ellis for disseminating fake news.


    I'll stick one up later, just sipping a g&t here in the garden at the moment, but if ye cannot wait just google, 'Simon Harris 18...' and google predicts brings you to his other few viruses.


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    Wanderer2010
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    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
    Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.

    Two ways of looking at it.

    1. The snowflake way, where you are offended and outraged at a highly paid and powerful elected person being held to account for the failures and the shortcomings of the crisis on his or her watch by a journalist just doing their job, and feeling an outpouring of sympathy for the poor person/manager/politician in question.

    2. Feeling a sense of pride that there are still some journalists who have an actual pair of balls and will ask the hard questions that need to be asked- why wasn't more done to protect nursing homes, who is responsible for the many deaths in nursing homes etc and not to let some extremely well paid authority figure wiggle off the hook by reaming off a few statistics and a vague promise to "do better" in the future.

    Personally im for number 2, especially when you have ministers who break the very rules they came up with whilst hundreds and thousands of people stuck faithfully to the rules, despite massive hardship and sacrifice.

    Sadly this generation are so fragile, that when we see a politician being called to task, they immediately cry bullying and point the finger at the journalist, instead of squarely back at the person who needs to answer some very tough questions and not to just pass the buck like a coward.


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    Rodney Bathgate
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    debok wrote: »
    Quoting you because the thread was about journalists tough questioning but you straightaway brought sinn Fein into it.

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/

    What exactly is your claim? Did it not come to fruition?


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    eldamo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭eldamo


    debok wrote: »
    Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

    What about.....


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    I'll stick one up later, just sipping a g&t here in the garden at the moment, but if ye cannot wait just google, 'Simon Harris 18...' and google predicts brings you to his other few viruses.

    Or I can wait for you to post a link to back it up. Cheers.


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    debok
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    What exactly is your claim? Did it not come to fruition?

    No


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    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Or I can wait for you to post a link to back it up. Cheers.


    Do you really need it spelt out to you? You bypassed two other links to ask me to post one?


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    GY_1980
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    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
    Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.

    We live in a free country. We need an antagonistic media to question those who hold power.


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    debok wrote: »
    Quoting you because the thread was about journalists tough questioning but you straightaway brought sinn Fein into it.

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/

    I brought an SF TD into it (not SF as a whole as you incorrectly claim) as an example of a politician rightly being called to task by the media for spreading fake news.


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Do you really need it spelt out to you? You bypassed two other links to ask me to post one?

    Can you not just post it instead of playing games? I have no idea which links or posts you mean. You made a claim, you back it up. FFS.


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    debok
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Can you not just post it instead of playing games? I have no idea which links or posts you mean. You made a claim, you back it up. FFS.

    The links are all above.


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    debok
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    I brought an SF TD into it (not SF as a whole as you incorrectly claim) as an example of a politician rightly being called to task by the media for spreading fake news.

    Sorry I was reading the "random things you would like to ban thread " and in that you said you'd ban sinn Fein. Then I read this thread and your only example of a politician be called up on bull**** was a sinn Fein TD. Surely Harris being called out on claiming there was 18 other viruses can also be used as an example.


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    debok
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Can you not just post it instead of playing games? I have no idea which links or posts you mean. You made a claim, you back it up. FFS.

    How can you claim not to see the links
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478%3fmode=amp


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    CrankyHaus
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    Media held off during the crisis period, so they have to make up for it now that we're going back to business as usual.

    The media in general have a poor understanding of health issues and most of the health sector/professions have less developed PR than other interests that might be their adversaries in certain disputes. Doctors tend to have a quaint, or honourable depending on your point of view, idea that doing their job well is more important than spin.

    As a result health issues are badly misrepresented within the Media. The cervical check scandal being a case in point. With the exception of Susan Mitchell at the Business Post it was wilfully misreported in a way that misled the vast majority of the public.


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    Amirani
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    debok wrote: »
    Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

    We've had 15000 capacity for a good while now.


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    debok wrote: »
    How can you claim not to see the links
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478%3fmode=amp

    I asked the poster who made the claim to provide a link. I don’t understand what his / her problem is.


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    RobertKK
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    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
    Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.

    We had old people being sent from hospitals into nursing homes untested, and this contributed to the death toll.
    But is your argument that politicians responsible for health policy should not be questioned?


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