George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Guy:Incognito

https://twitter.com/why_sophie_why/status/1267248478528270336

Moving curfew times with minimal notice, having several curfews? Its almost like they want to catch people out..........

Rjd2

correct.

https://twitter.com/AnnaKendrick47/status/1267243536891572225

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Overheal wrote: »

I wonder why?

I’ll be honest I don’t think the protests were seeing is doing anything to quell the stereotype held by people, but that aside, we don’t go killing people because we don’t agree with their way of life. There is no way we’d stand for gardai coming out and murdering travellers where they stand. What happened was barbaric and the Floyd family at the very least deserve justice. Nobody should be worried stepping foot outside that no matter what they may be killed because of the colour of their skin. Thankfully, were educated people and we must always presume someone innocent until proven guilty.

Guy:Incognito

2u2me wrote: »

I'm done replying to you in future. The reason I brought it up because I have only seen 2 journalists arrested, so didn't think it meant there was systematic oppression against journalists. That's why I brought it up. In a new point entirely. You are rehashing the same crap over and over maybe just to get likes while entirely ignoring the durress the police were under to release him.

Its terrible when you have to battle actual evidence , isnt it?

The "under duress to release him" is coming from nowhere other than your thoughts.

All the actual evidence is coming from both the CNN cameras and the police. So both sides have decided something happened one way and youre arguing for something you made up. ok so.

Overheal

2u2me wrote: »

If you can't accept the duress the police are under to release him I can't help you undererstand it.

But why not just leave it at that rather than bringing it up again?

Can we agree to disagree?

They released him because he was a reporter and as Press that means protections apply. That aspects of the police instruction were bogus. That there is strong anti CNN strokes in American politics. That police probably don’t view CNN as defending them, and some even argue CNN is pushing an incendiary race agenda. That there is a valid suspicion to suggest the state government wanted to process the matter swiftly because everyone from the DA to their grandmother saw the arrest in real time like it was an everyday LivePD shot, and yes the public demanded swift answers about what just happened. And yes, the political leadership of Minnesota was served in not dragging their feet, and yes, if he was in jail overnight the protestation would have escalated in response. So cutting to the chase though, I think when they had the docket in front of him and didn’t cite him for any felony or misdemeanor it makes it seem to most people, that their arrest was baseless, while others see it as a political capitulation. The bottom line at the moment is he still has a summons to appear in court, which I would love to be a fly on the wall for, later on when cooler heads have prevailed.

extra gravy

2u2me wrote: »

If the Guardian hadn't been advocating for violence a few days ago perhaps things would not be so bad.

The uncomfortable truth is that, sometimes, violence is the only answer left

As proven by every revolution in history, what's your point? Are you trying to say that US cops are big Guardian readers and were influenced by this article?

Guy:Incognito

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-violence.html

biko

Rochester police looking for attackers
https://twitter.com/PatrolRpd/status/1267202275895803904

nullzero

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-violence.html

Slate will have a balanced view point on this no doubt...

nullzero

biko wrote: »

Rochester police looking for attackers
https://twitter.com/PatrolRpd/status/1267202275895803904

Heroes.

Cookie_Monster

Overheal wrote: »

There are counter-looters, too.

eh? what are counter looters? Do they steal stuff from the looters and return it to the stores or something?

Guy:Incognito

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

eh? what are counter looters? Do they steal stuff from the looters and return it to the stores or something?

No, people who have stood in front of stores and stopped others. Theres been videos posted.

Overheal

2u2me wrote: »

I'm done replying to you in future. The reason I brought it up because I have only seen 2 journalists arrested, so didn't think it meant there was systematic oppression against journalists. That's why I brought it up. In a new point entirely. You are rehashing the same crap over and over maybe just to get likes while entirely ignoring the durress the police were under to release him.

I understand how you might not see the anti journalism politics, as I’m not sure how much you regularly GAF about US politics (that’s your god given prerogative!). I have to live here though so let me say in my 2c there is most definitely political undercurrents in this country against journalism. Not just mainstream media but the art of journalism itself. The US is a post-truth society. MAGA has been conditioned to attack unfavorable facts as fake, mainstream outlets as being demagogues, and there has been a history of both dangerously hostile and violent acts against reporters, such as at Trump rallies. Especially of note, there was an act of “lone wolf” Terrorism when Florida Man mailed bombs/bomb-alikes to CNN, Soros, and others.

So yes, there is definitely anti-reporter bias in America and cops are people too where biases are concerned.

Overheal

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

eh? what are counter looters? Do they steal stuff from the looters and return it to the stores or something?

Lol I haven’t seen that. I mean simply to refer to people who are standing outside storefronts and defending against property damage.

Similarly we saw counter-rioting happen in front of the White House, when protestors itching for the fight were held back by cooler heads.

dwayneshintzy

Good article on the BBC about protests

I'd intuitively agree that the response of the police towards a protest has more of a bearing on whether the protest turns violent, than the protestors themselves. I've some experience of Hong Kong, and really don't agree with people trying to justify one protest over the other (i.e. Hong Kong is REALLY justified, Floyd protests aren't and vice versa). When the police are determined not to treat protestors as actual human beings, when they're firing tear gas to disperse peaceful protests......violence is inevitable.

FatherTed

FWIW I took part in a BLM march today in Connecticut. Not a huge crowd, maybe around 400 people. The city I live in is a very mixed city but I have to say there was no hint of any trouble. We stopped traffic on the main street and ended up marching to the city police department headquarters walking on I-95 for one exit. Yes traffic was halted but the cooperation of the police was amazing, they marched with us, closed off traffic and the mayor and police chief stood and listened to stories of local harassment. Kudos to the march leadership, the marchers and the local pd.

Guy:Incognito

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

When the police are determined not to treat protestors as actual human beings, when they're firing tear gas to disperse peaceful protests......violence is inevitable.

Plenty of it going around alright.


https://twitter.com/AnnaKendrick47/status/1266963846649933824

Retr0gamer

2u2me wrote: »

If the Guardian hadn't been advocating for violence a few days ago perhaps things would not be so bad.

The uncomfortable truth is that, sometimes, violence is the only answer left

If you actually read the article you'd know that's not what it's about. They aren't advocating violence but explaining why the violence broke out.

However reading comprehension is not your strong point as it is with most people with confirmation bias. Particularly ones with extremist right wing views.

2u2me

Overheal wrote: »

I’m rubbishing your idea that a clash between MAGA and police reformists won’t be rife with racial tension. You have no clue. You’re clearly not American. You don’t live this.

2u2me wrote: »

Well let's see. I imagine there will be plenty of black people among the MAGA movement.

Overheal wrote: »

Similarly we saw counter-rioting happen in front of the White House, when protestors itching for the fight were held back by cooler heads.

So which one of us was right? I haven't seen any stories about it.

BorneTobyWilde

CNN have Floyd family on stream, and person on the ground in minneapolis with minneapolis police chief who fired the 4 cops. He make it clear to family live on TV, all 4 men are one and the same, that's why he had no problem firing them all, it's the only power he has. The rest is up to others.

Overheal

2u2me wrote: »

So which one of us was right? I haven't seen any stories about it.

I don’t get your meaning sorry?

2u2me

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If you actually read the article you'd know that's not what it's about. They aren't advocating violence but explaining why the violence broke out.

However reading comprehension is not your strong point as it is with most people with confirmation bias. Particularly ones with extremist right wing views.

This was one sentence in that article:

The uncomfortable truth is that, sometimes, violence is the only answer left

My reading is just fine, but your snark is wearing. My right wing views? Congratulations you just hit the jackpot for buzzwords.

2u2me

Overheal wrote: »

I don’t get your meaning sorry?

Was there black people among the counter looter 'maga' people defending the white house?

Guy:Incognito

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

. He make it clear to family live on TV, all 4 men are one and the same, that's why he had no problem firing them all, .

Has to be that way.

If only Chauvin was fired, itd make things worse in future imo. It gives other cops there the incentive to just stay out of it and let the guys do what they want. That way, even if they dont agree with whats happening , they wont risk the potential backlash of the guy afterwards for stopping him.

If they know theyre effectively committing the crimes their partners are by not stopping them then they have their own careers and freedom to put on the line by doing nothing.

Guy:Incognito

"Well let's see. I imagine there will be plenty of black people among the MAGA movement"





"MAGA loves black people".- They dont get to be part of MAGA, but we let them stay around because we have use for them.

dwayneshintzy

2u2me, do you not think that these protests are heavily influenced by past protests for Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Trayvon Martin, etc? They're not isolated protests springing up over a single recent incident, there's a lot of anger that has been built up over the years.

You've defended HK protests, saying they only resorted to violence after the mask ban was brought in (which isn't technically true, violence was present before that). HK protests did eventually turn violent, as people had experience from protests against article 23 in 2003, the umbrella protests in 2014, getting nowhere with massive peaceful protests at the start of the fight against the extradition treaty, etc. I don't think it's consistent to defend "violent" actions of HK protestors and broadly condemn what's going on in the States now.

challengemaster

For anyone saying "I've only seen evidence of 1 or 2 things", here's a list being curated and routinely updated over on reddit. Courtesy of u/3VD

I've been working on a list, please feel free to share it:

firing something at innocent person on their porch:

https://streamable.com/u2jzoo

cop appearing to be enjoying himself today:

https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151

cop shooting something at guy for saying "**** you":

https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151

cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors:

https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151

nypd driving into protestors:

https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod

cops shoving an old dude to the ground:

https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151

police actively seeking out fights compilation:

https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251

cop driving at people aggressively on a campus:

https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251

cop shooting something at people watching from apartment:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09

police shooting the press with something:

https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151

police arresting a CNN reporter:

https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151

police doing a drive-by pepper spraying

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609

photographer being pepper sprayed:

https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg

guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed:

https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251

lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head:

https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg

https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137

reporter blinded by rubber bullets:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19

reporter describes getting tear gassed:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422

couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew:

https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19

young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer:

https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20

reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317

reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778

cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning:

https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229

photographer arrested:

https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE

Columbus police assaulting protestors:

https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610

congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html

7 protesters fired on by something:

https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151

cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251

young child allegedly pepper sprayed:

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest

horse tramples young woman, police investigating: https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/

cop pushes protestor with his bike

https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20

Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050

man pepper sprayed as he watches from his second floor apartment balcony (at 13s)

https://v.redd.it/l0yq3023p2251

swat holds alleged looter with the same hold that killed George Flynn:

https://v.redd.it/i5pj07xrw2251

CNN reporter pepper sprayed after identifying themselves as press:

https://mobile.twitter.com/darryl_forges/status/1266911141088972803?s=21

nurse gives her first hand account:

https://v.redd.it/n6x9ms0h86251

casually pepper spraying while walking by:

https://v.redd.it/1okeo9obn5251

girl getting booted while already on the ground:

https://v.redd.it/1maj0iv475251

more cop car ramming:

https://imgur.com/QTZCPKg

video compilation of most of these links:

https://youtu.be/OIgw1VJJLIM

other lists

wet4's list

https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/gtq05v/nypd_drives_through_barricade_and_protesters/fsdss2m

Retr0gamer

2u2me wrote: »

This was one sentence in that article:



My reading is just fine, but your snark is wearing. My right wing views? Congratulations you just hit the jackpot for buzzwords.

You can read a sentence, congratulations. Here's a gold star.

Next week we will try for an entire article. And by the end of the year the most important part, comprehension.

kowloonkev

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

2u2me, do you not think that these protests are heavily influenced by past protests for Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Trayvon Martin, etc? They're not isolated protests springing up over a single recent incident, there's a lot of anger that has been built up over the years.

You've defended HK protests, saying they only resorted to violence after the mask ban was brought in (which isn't technically true, violence was present before that). HK protests did eventually turn violent, as people had experience from protests against article 23 in 2003, the umbrella protests in 2014, getting nowhere with massive peaceful protests at the start of the fight against the extradition treaty, etc. I don't think it's consistent to defend "violent" actions of HK protestors and broadly condemn what's going on in the States now.

It's very complicated and both sets of protestors should probably have stopped when they got what they set out to get. HK protestors got the bill withdrawn last year. They should have stopped. The Police Officer was arrested in the US. They should have stopped.

At leaat though the HK protestors seem to be one unit who still have a focus and clear targets. In the US I don't think there is any reasoning with them once this kind of rioting starts.

Overheal

2u2me wrote: »

Was there black people among the counter looter 'maga' people defending the white house?

The WH in particular? I don’t recall. In front of Targets and other stores, yes.