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George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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    #3632
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    7 pm curfew in Washington. That gives protesters about 10 minutes notice


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    #3633
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Everyone knew the Trump presidency would be a disaster but I thought it would be in more an incompetent type of way (which it is). And here we are with the President of the United States mobilising the military against his own citizens. Unbelievable.

    Against the rioters and looters.
    No mention of the protestors being targeted.


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    #3634
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Sad. Wonder would you say a word if your mother head her place burned to the ground or was viciously assaulted trying to protect it.

    She’s insured.

    Assault is different from arson.


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    #3635
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Big dog whistle with his 2nd amendment comment.

    Needless and dangerous but he is such a dumb ass it's painful.


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    #3636
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Too much talk about force. Not enough about the murder.

    Gone down the wrong road again


    I got that impression too.


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    #3637
    dresden8
    Registered Users Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭dresden8


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    How else can the government and police take back control?

    They could send the tanks into tiananmen square and run over the protestors.

    Oh wait.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-mayor-bill-de-blasio-defends-police-after-video-n1220246


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    #3638
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Omackeral wrote: »
    That's kinda what you need when you have 30+ cities on fire for the last 4 nights and absolute anarchy and lawlessness on the streets.

    Maybe he should change tack. After all, Trump being divisive and confrontational is a big part of the current problem.


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    #3639
    extra gravy
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Trump dropping a hint for those getting targeted by thugs '' I'm here to protect the 2nd amendment''

    Yeah it sounded like an invitation.


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    #3640
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Instead of idiots marching during a pandemic why don't people boycott American goods and companies ..companies like Mc Donalds ...google etc. Stop buying anything American.

    You think people in the US care if there is a march in Ireland?

    People here queued for literally 3 hours for Mc Donalds and Krispy Kreme last week. That won't be happening.


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    #3641
    begbysback
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    completedit wrote: »
    Is American a racist country? Is it systemically racist?

    Do scumbag officers acting like scumbag officers make the entire structure of the country racist if every so often it is black people that come under their punishment?

    Just how bad are the actions taken to curb protests given the descent into rioting and looting. If the same was happening here, we'd expect our police to take to the streets to restore order. In fact if they didn't, we'd say the Government and the AGS had failed us.

    Have you not been paying attention at all?

    The spark that ignited this was a police officer using undue force, to the point where he killed an unarmed, compliant black man. There are now dozens of videos floating about of police officers, shooting people in the face with rubber bullets, dragging black teenagers from cars, pushing peaceful pensioners to the ground, driving over peaceful protesters, making white supremacist signs, shooting real bullets and killing people - and the people they are doing this to are journalists, kids and peaceful protesters. If the people who are supposed to be protecting you start to shoot and bully you, then what do you think will happen?

    The black people of america are saying the government & police force have not only failed to protect them, they are the very ones that a large part of society are afraid of.


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    #3642
    Overheal
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    Trump deploying the military: not likely. That’s martial law, and he didn’t threaten or declare to do that.

    I wager he is bluffing atm.

    As for wondering if Trump does or doesn’t want clashes: did he just announce a curfew 11 minutes before it goes into effect?


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    #3643
    ExMachina1000
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    dresden8 wrote: »
    They could send the tanks into tiananmen square and run over the protestors.

    Oh wait.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-mayor-bill-de-blasio-defends-police-after-video-n1220246

    If there are riots happening in over 35 cities how else do the police and government take back control and restore order?

    Be realistic here for a minute


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    #3644
    Jamie2k9
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Yeah it's brilliant to see the President of the United States mobilising the military against their own citizens. FFS.

    He is protecting a far greater number of their own citizens from the thuggery.


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    #3645
    Sir Oxman
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    That's kinda what you need when you have 30+ cities on fire for the last 4 nights and absolute anarchy and lawlessness on the streets.
    A President also needs to assure people that the murder will be top of the agenda and the necessary police reforms instigated.
    But, it's been going on for decades now covering multi presidents.


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    #3646
    Christy42
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    That's kinda what you need when you have 30+ cities on fire for the last 4 nights and absolute anarchy and lawlessness on the streets.

    Do you want it to increase to 50+ because that's how you get this to increase massively.


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    #3647
    namloc1980
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Trump dropping a hint for those getting targeted by thugs '' I'm here to protect the 2nd amendment''

    Last thing they need over there now is those very fine people out on the streets armed to the teeth.


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    #3648
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Military leaders won't fire on their own people, they'll most likely over throw him in a coup. Governors are planning too


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    #3649
    Mysterypunter
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Great to see Trump take control.
    About 3 years too late, didn't he send in the military to shoot the virus as well?


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    #3650
    Omackeral
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    Overheal wrote: »
    She’s insured.

    Ah well then! It all works out. No way that's gonna cost in the long run. Rebuiding and explofing premiums. Hey let's torch the schools and hospitals just for the craic while we're at it.


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    #3651
    1800_Ladladlad
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Yeah it's brilliant to see the President of the United States mobilising the military against their own citizens. FFS.

    Yes. Many of whom are engaging in illegal activity resulting in public disorder, the damaging of property and committing a whole rake of other crimes. If he didn't do it he would still be hung.


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    #3652
    alchemist33
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    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Hmm.
    National Guard and US Military being deployed.
    If cities and states don't immediately stop riots, he says military will.

    i don't think he did enough to seperate those with underhand aims from those black protestors with a totally legitimate aim.

    Sums it up. Started off about Floyd, which was good, then the riots (fair enough) but didn't address the core issue of regular police brutality or the numerous incidents of innocent people being harmed by police in the last few days.


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    #3653
    Quantum Erasure
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    Overheal wrote: »
    As for wondering if Trump does or doesn’t want clashes: did he just announce a curfew 11 minutes before it goes into effect?

    no, had been announced earlier today


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    #3654
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Trump on the streets, showing no fear.


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    #3655
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Decides to walk down street, as you do.


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    #3656
    Omackeral
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    Christy42 wrote: »
    Do you want it to increase to 50+ because that's how you get this to increase massively.

    Not if history is anything to go by. LA92. Complete disorder in the Los Angeles area was only resolved after the National Guard, the United States military and several federal law enforcement agencies intervened.


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    #3657
    Overheal
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Ah well then! It all works out. No way that's gonna cost in the long run. Rebuiding and explofing premiums. Hey let's torch the schools and hospitals just for the craic while we're at it.

    Exactly!

    I know what you are saying. It was a glib comment to make. But his death makes me irrationally angry.


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    #3658
    dresden8
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    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Against the rioters and looters.
    No mention of the protestors being targeted.

    Rioters looters and journalists are being targeted.

    Tree. Rope. Journalist.

    Some assembly required.

    But I'm sure you never saw that.


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    #3659
    Woodsie1
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Exactly!

    I know what you are saying. It was a glib comment to make. But his death makes me irrationally angry.

    Lots of stuff today makes you irrationally angry.


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    #3660
    challengemaster
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Trump deploying the military: not likely. That’s martial law, and he didn’t threaten or declare to do that.

    Personally, I think it needs to be done, but it needs to be accompanied by the governors putting every single police officer on administrative leave in any state where evidence of police brutality / excessive force has been shown in the last week or so. Then conduct a federal investigation with people being reinstated as they're cleared (bodycam footage, etc).

    You impose martial law so you have a means to end the rioting and police the regions, but stripping the police of their powers (temporarily) gives people a reason to stop rioting, and takes away the capability of adding more fuel to the fire.


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    #3661
    namloc1980
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    Be some craic if Putin or Ji Xinping called for an emergency session of the UNSC to condemn American oppression of its citizens.


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