George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, I'd say that you're correct that something is embedded within the psyche of some... and that's the expectation of unrealistic results.

In any environment with so many variables and risks, there will always be some police officers who go too far (intentionally or unintentionally). To expect all police officers to always be correct in their behavior is a fantasy. Police officers are human too with their own flaws, but also their own emotions/experiences of past incidents. That will affect how they go about their duties.

To get the fantasy you want, you'd need robots. Expecting humans to engage in police work, and to always behave appropriately is a pipedream. There are already measures in place to regulate the behavior of police officers. It's not perfect, but then, nothing is. There is room for improvement, but that will happen by trying to understand the problems/stresses that officers face.. in addition to taking into account those reports by victims.



It's a nice idea... and that's for the courts to decide. The police are there to enforce the law, and should someone be breaking the law, there will be an assumption of guilt being involved. That's basic human nature. Expecting otherwise is naive.

nobody expects all police officers to always behave correctly.

what is expected is that they face repercussions for that behaviour.
what is expected is that their fellow officers dont stand by and do nothing. what is expected is that their fellow officers dont cover up for them.
what is expected is that police unions dont actively try to prevent police officers who commit brutality from facing the repercussions of their behaviour.

is that too much to expect?

Edgware

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

That wasn't a police car that passed by it was a paramedic, and he stopped.

Dont let the truth come in the way of some gob****e ranting

degsie

owlbethere wrote: »

No its not right. It will just feed down and across the water into Europe like we saw over the weekend in London. London and Europe was not built on black slavery. Its not right to tear down the place.

No, it just took another form called colonisation.

Edgware

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nobody expects all police officers to always behave correctly.

what is expected is that they face repercussions for that behaviour.
what is expected is that their fellow officers dont stand by and do nothing. what is expected is that their fellow officers dont cover up for them.
what is expected is that police unions dont actively try to prevent police officers who commit brutality from facing the repercussions of their behaviour.

is that too much to expect?

Go through that again. I cant really feel your rage.

ELM327

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Exactly, these riots/protests (and likely lockdown) seem to have sent people insane, and many are using them as an excuse to loot, and attack others. Its mob rules in places it seems.

It seems the law no longer applies....

unless you're looting "in the name of st george"

Carfacemandog

Deleted User wrote: »

Except that the police are accountable for their actions. Reviews are made, and police officers have been convicted due to past behavior. That the processes in place aren't effective enough (for many reasons), doesn't mean that they're unaccountable.

I'd love to see something beyond complaining. I'm seeing a lot of demands for change, but little in the way of specifics, that are grounded in reality. Instead, the demands are made as if they can magically be made effective just because they're coming from the protesters.

The fact is that all too often in the US, the police do not hold any accountability. Just look at the incredulous response ofthe buffalo riot squad to two of their colleagues facing consequences for potentially killing a 75 year old man and just walking away.

Look at the breonna Taylor case in Kentucky, where they broke into her home unannounced in the middle of the night (she was a nurse by the way) without body cameras. Her boyfriend **** because he thought they were being robbed by burglars, and police killed her. Not only did they face no charges, but initially they were trying to charge the boyfriend for murder. This onky changed because of the sheer public attention the case got.

Look at Ahmaud Aurbery, where a retired cop and his son (who worked in the DAs office) murdered a black guy in broad daylight and had zero action taken against them, even getting protection from the DAs office on the matter, until again the case got huge public attention. They werent even arrested for about 3 months after it happened. It has also recently emerged that they hit him with the truck and called him a "f*cking n*gger" after shooting him.

Look at the Seattle police that went about using tear gas over the weekend despite Seattle banning the use of tear gas on Friday.

Look the police continuing to use tear gas weapons and claiming they are not deadly weapons, then charging people who throw them back with use of a deadly weapon against police. How does that work out?

Look at how so many of those same police officers are shooting tear gas canisters - deadly weapons in and of themselves by their own admission. Not by shooting them into the ground to bounce up as recommended, but instead directly in the direction of protesters and we'll above knee level.

Look at the denial of tear gas use when it has been used on peaceful protesters, like by the White House for trunps photo op. The US Park Police came out the other day and admitted it was used, saying it was a "mistake" to do so, but their police chief is still trying to say they didn't use it.

Look at the police officers who assaulted Australian media a few days ago, BBC media around the same time, and multiple other media outlets during these protests.

Look at police pepper spraying a new York state senator who was out marching with peaceful protesters

Look at the NYPD police Union that doxxed the mayors daughter, homes dress and all, when she got arrested for protesting.

Look at the Minneapolis police union chief who has been defending Chauvin and has been revealed to be a member of a biker gang that uses KKK imagery and promotes white power.

Look at other police officers that openly wear white supremacist tattoos like Ian Hans Lichtermann in Philadelphia. He got let go only after it went viral and caused mass public outcry... and soon after got hired elsewhere, where he is now a police captain.

Look at police in Philadelphia not only ignoring a heavily armed group of white guys 'patrolling' down the street very overtly looking for a fight last week, but actually stopping and taking group photos with them, including after curfew.

Look at police in Oregon - acting on behalf of their commanders, no less - discussing with heavily armed, far white Proud Boys who to avoid tear gassing and curfew rules, so that "we don't look like we're playing favourites" when things kick off because "we're going to really enforce teh curfew so we can arrest anybody walking around."

Look at the numerous incidents like that of Brad Ayala, who was shot in the face while standing alone on a hill a few days ago, quite literally doing nothing.

Look at another similar incident that happened to 20 year old Justin Howell, who when medical staff were trying to urgently move him away to help, were themselves shot upon by police. They dropped the stretcher in the panic, and his family have now confirmed that Justin has suffered brain damage. Look at the numerous instances and reports of police attacking medical staff during these last few weeks, something that is considered a war crime

Look at police forcing a baton into the hand of a pinned, unarmed protester and then assaulting hineith the defense that he was 'armed'

Look at the actions of people like Jared Yuen, excitedly smiling and noticeably giddy about the riots while shouting insults and expletives at protesters in an effort to escalate the situation. No action has been taken and the police chief has defended him as a "good kid".

Look at the Seattle police macing an 8 year old girl last week, no action has been taken despite the guy who did it being id'd on camera (wouldn't give out his badge number though) and by funny coincidence the person who video taped it was arrested yesterday.

On that note, look at the numerous instances of police covering up and/or refusing to give out their badge numbers, a definitive lack of accountability. In some instances, look at police departments deploying units with their badge numbers concealed for that very reason (those near the white house being a great example).

On and in the list goes.

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I have intentionally brought up incidents from the last few weeks in the US alone (barring Taylor and Arbery, which came to media attention naround the last month or so), and there are huge numbers that I have left out as the very lengthy compilations of police brutality towards peaceful protesters and bystanders, to show that this isn't just picking a few incidents from down the years.

With the prevalence of smart phones etc, as well as body cams on police as a recent enough development, a lot more is now also caught on camera and yet police continue to do many of these things while fully aware they are being recorded. That begs the question of what they previously have done (and may continue to do) when not on camera. Even in the killing of George Floyd, one of the cops on the scene was trying to demand that those recording stop doing so, and had that incident not been caught on camera considering Floyd's criminal record, there is a strong chance that all four of those cops would be on duty as I type this.

Not to say no police officers are ever held to account without considerable public scrutiny, but it is considerably less common than one would want, and perhaps most unsettling is the frequency when it does actually occur with which the sanctioned officers are able to just movd to another precinct or division and carry on doing as they were previously.

There is no denying the fact that the policing system and infrastructure in America is broken, and while completely abolishing them and leaving it at that wouldn't be beneficial, it is clear the rot runs so deep and rises so high that they may want to consider completely rebuilding it from the ground up.

Jmsg

The entire black lives matter rubbish is a complete farce. You have a group namely black people who possess particular innate heritable traits (low IQ, low conscientiousness, low agreeableness low impulse control etc.) which disposes them to disproportionately encounter police and therefore have a greater likelihood of being killed by said police

Cody montana

Jmsg wrote: »

The entire black lives matter rubbish is a complete farce. You have a group namely black people who possess particular innate heritable traits (low IQ, low conscientiousness, low agreeableness low impulse control etc.) which disposes them to disproportionately encounter police and therefore have a greater likelihood of being killed by said police

Well that’s not racist at all!

Timberrrrrrrr

The Witches Cat wrote: »

White teenager stabbed and slashed by bunch of black teens in Cork. Where are our demonstrations and protests?????
White lives matter too!!!!!

Have you organised one?

Jmsg

Cody montana wrote: »

Well that’s not racist at all!

Not racism just uncomfortable facts. You could argue someone bringing them up out of the blue is being racist but at this time they are very relevant and ignorance of them is causing untold mayhem.

conorhal

degsie wrote: »

As one protester put it (paraphrase) "America was built on the back of Black slavery, if we choose to burn it down, we will"

The emotionally incontinent response of a child smashing all the toys in the playroom having a tantrum. Also, inaccurate. A lot of bodies build America, including millions of Irish ones.

walshb

The Witches Cat wrote: »

White teenager stabbed and slashed by bunch of black teens in Cork. Where are our demonstrations and protests?????
White lives matter too!!!!!

I did not watch this, but was told it was very very disturbing. I don't think I could watch it.

Stateofyou

Jmsg wrote: »

The entire black lives matter rubbish is a complete farce. You have a group namely black people who possess particular innate heritable traits (low IQ, low conscientiousness, low agreeableness low impulse control etc.) which disposes them to disproportionately encounter police and therefore have a greater likelihood of being killed by said police

This is a disgusting display of racism and has no basis in fact. Shame on you. Trolls are annoying but racist trolls have to be the worst of humanity here.

joe40

Jmsg wrote: »

The entire black lives matter rubbish is a complete farce. You have a group namely black people who possess particular innate heritable traits (low IQ, low conscientiousness, low agreeableness low impulse control etc.) which disposes them to disproportionately encounter police and therefore have a greater likelihood of being killed by said police

That is an absolutely repugnant opinion to have. Blatant racism and that is not a term I use lightly.

I would say there is no one on this thread regardless of their views on the protests that would agree with you.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nobody expects all police officers to always behave correctly.

what is expected is that they face repercussions for that behaviour.

They do. They're investigated, and in some cases, punished/imprisoned. Have you looked at the cases where officers were cleared? In many cases, it's due to lack of evidence because witnesses were unwilling of cooperate. Not simply corruption within the police force (which does exist).

what is expected is that their fellow officers dont stand by and do nothing. what is expected is that their fellow officers dont cover up for them.
what is expected is that police unions dont actively try to prevent police officers who commit brutality from facing the repercussions of their behaviour.

It's a team business. They're facing risk every time they put on that uniform, which means that they'll defend their teammates. That's basic human nature. That's been the case in any high risk occupation. Soldiers have done the same, protecting their fellow soldiers from danger.

Reduce the risk, and far more officers would likely inform on their fellows. Officers who cannot trust their colleagues are less likely to defend them in dangerous situations... which means officers will do whatever they can to encourage that trust to grow.

In any case, officers have been informed on in the past. Have you ever considered what happens to informants within such a system?

is that too much to expect?

Every organisation in existence has become corrupted over time, as the environment it exists in, has changed.

It's good to aim for something better.... but realism should be seriously considered. Human nature. As I said, robots are the only real chance of getting the system you want.

Carfacemandog

Carfacemandog wrote: »

There is no denying the fact that the policing system and infrastructure in America is broken, and while completely abolishing them and leaving it at that wouldn't be beneficial, it is clear the rot runs so deep and rises so high that they may want to consider completely rebuilding it from the ground up.

I'm not denying it. Not even slightly. The US is a mess. From the Black communities, and their values, right through to the management of city investments, through to their police forces, through to their political system. The US is incredibly corrupt, with double standards being applied all over the place.

I genuinely have no issue with anything you said. I'm not seeking to justify police brutality or killings by the police. There should be more accountability. But then, I feel there should be more accountability all around in US culture.

I am, though, asking for what can realistically be done. And I'm suggesting that people should also be asking what's wrong with Black/Hispanic/White cultures where such police brutality manifests.

It's not simply about racism. That's a cop out. Shedding responsibility by passing it off on to others. Racism is a factor for some. It is. Fear is likely another factor due to the dangerous environment of policing in the US. There are going to be heaps of factors and they should all be considered, if the US ever wants a workable society... and the rest of the world should be taking note, because similar stresses are starting to reveal themselves elsewhere.

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

They do. They're investigated, and in some cases, punished/imprisoned. Have you looked at the cases where officers were cleared? In many cases, it's due to lack of evidence because witnesses were unwilling of cooperate. Not simply corruption within the police force (which does exist).



It's a team business. They're facing risk every time they put on that uniform, which means that they'll defend their teammates. That's basic human nature. That's been the case in any high risk occupation. Soldiers have done the same, protecting their fellow soldiers from danger.

Reduce the risk, and far more officers would likely inform on their fellows. Officers who cannot trust their colleagues are less likely to defend them in dangerous situations... which means officers will do whatever they can to encourage that trust to grow.

In any case, officers have been informed on in the past. Have you ever considered what happens to informants within such a system?



Every organisation in existence has become corrupted over time, as the environment it exists in, has changed.

It's good to aim for something better.... but realism should be seriously considered. Human nature. As I said, robots are the only real chance of getting the system you want.

Fook me....this is all I want to say....you have saved me the time....

Bravo.

Beasty

Jmsg wrote: »

The entire black lives matter rubbish is a complete farce. You have a group namely black people who possess particular innate heritable traits (low IQ, low conscientiousness, low agreeableness low impulse control etc.) which disposes them to disproportionately encounter police and therefore have a greater likelihood of being killed by said police

Jmsg wrote: »

Not racism just uncomfortable facts. You could argue someone bringing them up out of the blue is being racist but at this time they are very relevant and ignorance of them is causing untold mayhem.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are simply very ignorant of what constitutes racism

Either way you are banned from posting in this thread again

Cupatae

statesaver wrote: »

London.
Police ignore a serious assault

https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1269335161289703425

Just imagine some cop came along and shot those animals, there d be mass riots and protests.. poor black man after being shot all he was doing was beating someone half to death! Honestly BLM are a disgrace all they ve incited, i dont know how anyone in there right mind would support it.

Stabbings in cork, violence in the US.... disgusting and there speeches were aimed to start this.

owlbethere

Peregrinus wrote: »

Maybe. But if people protest peacefully against injustice and nothing is done, we can't be too surprised if they then protest less peacefully. And if we want to assign blame for the less peaceful protests then perhaps some of the blame goes to people who did nothing in response to the peaceful protests. It should have occurred to them that the croppies wouldn't lie down forever.

No. Violence of any kind is not right and anyone condoning rioting and looting is just as bad. If something doesn't go my way, does it give me a right to throw a tantrum and destroy everything around me until I get my way? No, it doesn't.

Systematic racism and police brutality is deep in America. That won't change over night and the rioting doesn't help.

hetuzozaho

Looks like some change may be coming?

"Minneapolis council pledges to dismantle police department"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52960227

Some of the ideas sound positive, removing police being involved in situations where they are not really needed.
Some articles saying it is similar to the disbanding of the Camden Police Department in New Jersey in 2012, which seems to have worked well?

MeMen2_MoRi_

joe40 wrote: »

That is an absolutely repugnant opinion to have. Blatant racism and that is not a term I use lightly.

I would say there is no one on this thread regardless of their views on the protests that would agree with you.

Both posts garnering thanks says otherwise with your latter point.

joe40

owlbethere wrote: »

No. Violence of any kind is not right and anyone condoning rioting and looting is just as bad. If something doesn't go my way, does it give me a right to throw a tantrum and destroy everything around me until I get my way? No, it doesn't.

Systematic racism and police brutality is deep in America. That won't change over night and the rioting doesn't help.

Likewise I don't agree with the violence a looting but you have said yourself systematic racism and police brutality is deep in America.
It was a lot worse before the 60s with segregation laws, lynching etc.
How did that change. It was by people holding protests, often brutally put down. There was riots then too.

This justs keeps happening LA 1992, Ferguson more recently. It will keep happening until change and reform occurs. I'm not for one minute saying it easy and I certainly don't have answers but serious money needs to be spent on education to start with, the industrial type prison system must also change.
Change must also come from within communities but they need to be helped.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

They do. They're investigated, and in some cases, punished/imprisoned. Have you looked at the cases where officers were cleared? In many cases, it's due to lack of evidence because witnesses were unwilling of cooperate. Not simply corruption within the police force (which does exist).



It's a team business. They're facing risk every time they put on that uniform, which means that they'll defend their teammates. That's basic human nature. That's been the case in any high risk occupation. Soldiers have done the same, protecting their fellow soldiers from danger.

Reduce the risk, and far more officers would likely inform on their fellows. Officers who cannot trust their colleagues are less likely to defend them in dangerous situations... which means officers will do whatever they can to encourage that trust to grow.

In any case, officers have been informed on in the past. Have you ever considered what happens to informants within such a system?



Every organisation in existence has become corrupted over time, as the environment it exists in, has changed.

It's good to aim for something better.... but realism should be seriously considered. Human nature. As I said, robots are the only real chance of getting the system you want.

you're living in a fantasy land

KiKi III

Long after the windows are fixed and the shops are reopened, the impact of dismantling the police department will be felt in Minneapolis.

The protests worked.

Whether you condone the violence or not, it has undoubtedly been an effective agent of change.

When the people who are supposed to serve and protect you start carrying out extrajudicial killings in broad daylight, the social contract breaks down.

ohnonotgmail

joe40 wrote: »

That is an absolutely repugnant opinion to have. Blatant racism and that is not a term I use lightly.

I would say there is no one on this thread regardless of their views on the protests that would agree with you.

except for the 2 that thanked the post. neither of which were a surprise.

joseywhales

"you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

joe40

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Both posts garnering thanks says otherwise with your latter point.

Yeah sometimes it's good to know what you're dealing with.
Plenty of people have valid concerns about protests and how this is working out and I can disagree with them but respect their opinion.

That post was however pure rascism so anyone who thanks it... Well it shows their opinion as well.

ohnonotgmail

joe40 wrote: »

Yeah sometimes it's good to know what you're dealing with.
Plenty of people have valid concerns about protests and how this is working out and I can disagree with them but respect their opinion.

That post was however pure rascism so anyone who thanks it... Well it shows their opinion as well.

they have made their opinion well known for a long time.

Retr0gamer

The Witches Cat wrote: »

White teenager stabbed and slashed by bunch of black teens in Cork. Where are our demonstrations and protests?????
White lives matter too!!!!!

Why does it have to be black teens? It's a horrible situation however it occured but focusing on the fact they are black just shows societies underlying racism? Why focus on this one when there are stabbings across the country or is this one more significant because black people were involved?

thomas 123

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Why does it have to be black teens? It's a horrible situation however it occured but focusing on the fact they are black just shows societies underlying racism? Why focus on this one when there are stabbings across the country or is this one more significant because black people were involved?

Why does it have to be teens? Why does it have to be people? Why does it have to be police? Why does it have to be anything?

That crime was a horrible hate crime in a time when we are condemning hate crimes, I’d imagine that’s why the poster highlighted it.

People use that data to convey an argument, your point can be equally applied to any situation.

ELM327

joseywhales wrote: »

"you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

Exactly

tensimo

an arab Spring feeling to the spread of the protests. hope it leasds to some real change

conorhal

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Looks like some change may be coming?

"Minneapolis council pledges to dismantle police department"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52960227

Some of the ideas sound positive, removing police being involved in situations where they are not really needed.
Some articles saying it is similar to the disbanding of the Camden Police Department in New Jersey in 2012, which seems to have worked well?

LOL! Good luck with that!


Camden in NJ looks post apocalyptic at the best of times. the solution to fix that no go area appears to be, just don't police it and you'll see an immediate drop in recorded crime! What a very Irish solution to an American problem!


The whole 'defund the police' guff is nonsense and everybody knows it.
The problem is poorly trained, low quality recruits and a lack of funding or training to do anything right. But go ahead and demonize all police and see what kind of candidates you get for the job.

shaveAbullock

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Why does it have to be black teens? It's a horrible situation however it occured but focusing on the fact they are black just shows societies underlying racism? Why focus on this one when there are stabbings across the country or is this one more significant because black people were involved?

I believe it's due to social media videos. There are a number of videos that showing this same gang of black teens from Cork attacking white teens.
I have no idea if race is the motivation for these attacks but the videos(recorded by the attackers) give that impression.

KiKi III

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Why does it have to be black teens? It's a horrible situation however it occured but focusing on the fact they are black just shows societies underlying racism? Why focus on this one when there are stabbings across the country or is this one more significant because black people were involved?

Wasn’t a white kid stabbed and killed by another white kid in Cork last year? Seems like the big question here should be around youth knife crime in Cork.

thomas 123

shaveAbullock wrote: »

I believe it's due to social media videos. There are a number of videos that showing this same gang of black teens from Cork attacking white teens.
I have no idea if race is the motivation for these attacks but the videos give that impression.

Victim was asked for 2 euro for the bus according to Facebook comments.

Some pretty nasty comments made by the attackers though.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you're living in a fantasy land

Right back at you. :rolleyes:

Cupatae

thomas 123 wrote: »

Why does it have to be teens? Why does it have to be people? Why does it have to be police? Why does it have to be anything?

That crime was a horrible hate crime in a time when we are condemning hate crimes, I’d imagine that’s why the poster highlighted it.

People use that data to convey an argument, your point can be equally applied to any situation.

Oh is that what were doing ? condemning em lol So far 20 people have been killed in the 2020 Riots.

Their lives don’t matter to the media or the “protesters” though.

They killed TWENTY people.

Anyone that supports BLM cause needs to have a word with themselves. I never realised how disgusting a group BLM were till all this kicked off, when u read into it see whats being done and said... its baffling the support it has racism is alive and kicking...literally

ohnonotgmail

conorhal wrote: »

LOL! Good luck with that!


Camden in NJ looks post apocalyptic at the best of times. the solution to fix that no go area appears to be, just don't police it and you'll see an immediate drop in recorded crime! What a very Irish solution to an American problem!


The whole 'defund the police' guff is nonsense and everybody knows it.
The problem is poorly trained, low quality recruits and a lack of funding or training to do anything right. But go ahead and demonize all police and see what kind of candidates you get for the job.

the crime rate dropped after they disbanded their police force.

hetuzozaho

conorhal wrote: »

LOL! Good luck with that!

I too wish them luck

KiKi III

Cupatae wrote: »

Oh is that what were doing ? condemning em lol So far 20 people have been killed in the 2020 Riots.

Their lives don’t matter to the media or the “protesters” though.

They killed TWENTY people.

Anyone that supports BLM cause needs to have a word with themselves. I never realised how disgusting a group BLM were till all this kicked off, when u read into it see whats being done and said... its baffling the support it has racism is alive and kicking...literally

The police killed a thousand people in the US in 2019.

thomas 123

Cupatae wrote: »

Oh is that what were doing ? condemning em lol So far 20 people have been killed in the 2020 Riots.

Their lives don’t matter to the media or the “protesters” though.

They killed TWENTY people.

Anyone that supports BLM cause needs to have a word with themselves. I never realised how disgusting a group BLM were till all this kicked off, when u read into it see whats being done and said... its baffling the support it has racism is alive and kicking...literally

I don’t want to end up misquoted for the rest of the thread.

That was a direct reply to another post asking why the colour of an attacker was mentions in another comment.

Nothing to do with supporting or not supporting any movement/group.

shaveAbullock

thomas 123 wrote: »

Victim was asked for 2 euro for the bus according to Facebook comments.

Some pretty nasty comments made by the attackers though.

And other reports say it was over weed. But if you have seen the other videos from this group they seem to regally gather to attack people. The stabbing just happens to be the most shocking.
I don't understand why he was charged with robbery and with assault and not attempted murder. You would take there with be a harder approach taken with stabbing like this after what happened to Cameron Blair.

Cupatae

KiKi III wrote: »

The police killed a thousand people in the US in 2019.

and?

thomas 123

shaveAbullock wrote: »

And other reports say it was over weed. But if you have seen the other videos from this group they seem to regally gather to attack people. The stabbing just happens to be the most shocking.
I don't understand why he was charged with robbery and with assault and not attempted murder. You would take there with be a harder approach taken with stabbing like this after what happened to Cameron Blair.

Agreed, 17 is man enough to be trialed as an adult in my book. As the investigation goes on and more details emerge hopefully they will be charged as they should be.

Cupatae

thomas 123 wrote: »

Agreed, 17 is man enough to be trialed as an adult in my book. As the investigation goes on and more details emerge hopefully they will be charged as they should be.

It should be attempted murder aswell, none of this GBH nonsense, they tried to kill that lad and only failed due to incompetence luckily enough.

ThewhiteJesus

KiKi III wrote: »

The police killed a thousand people in the US in 2019.

really, that's a crazy stat when you think about it

Cupatae

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

really, that's a crazy stat when you think about it

Its not really when u take into account how big the US is there gun control laws and how crazy a place it is.

thomas 123

Cupatae wrote: »

It should be attempted murder aswell, none of this GBH nonsense, they tried to kill that lad and only failed due to incompetence luckily enough.

I don’t know if this conversation is for this thread but yeah, they thought they killed him and kept going if what is said in the video is to be taken as fact.

“Stop he’s dead”

But then again this is the banana republic in more ways than one.