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George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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    #5012
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    Overheal wrote: »
    You tell me. You haven’t been very civil so I’m not inclined to go do your sleuthing.

    I haven't been civil?

    I apologize if I come across like that but I feel you're very very wrong on this whole issue. When innocent bystanders are being murdered in the streets and homes and businesses are being burnt to the ground it stops being a protest.


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    #5013
    jimmycrackcorm
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    2u2me wrote: »
    In a new morning consult poll they found that 71% of American voters want the National Guard deployed to end the rioting 58% said they wanted the military deployed.

    Maybe we will yet see Americas Tiananmen square moment...


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    #5014
    Peregrinus
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    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    How many dead again?
    As of yesterday, five, one of whom may have been shot by the police, and two others of whom were protestors.

    This compares with more than a thousand people killed by the police during 2019, which was not an untypical year. Clearly, the phenomenon against which the protests are directed is far more lethal than the protests themselves.


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    #5015
    Overheal
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    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    I haven't been civil?

    I apologize if I come across like that but I feel you're very very wrong on this whole issue. When innocent bystanders are being murdered in the streets and homes and businesses are being burnt to the ground it stops being a protest.

    No factoring for scale? Not that looting and violence should not be prosecuted, but while I’m sure it would be next to impossible to get an accurate figure, I would argue hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are protesting. Including politicians. The GOPs sole black house member protested in Houston with the Floyd family. They aren’t rioters. In scope and scale the rioting is spots rust on a ball of steel, peaceful demonstration being the steel. It would frankly seem impossible to have any spontaneous gathering of people that was void of any and all trouble. But, I certainly understand why one would see the violence and apply it to the whole crowd, just as people see 4 cops murder a man on the street in handcuffs and want to hold the entirety of law and order to account for it.


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    #5016
    Overheal
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Maybe we will yet see Americas Tiananmen square moment...

    I hope nobody is looking forward to any such thing!


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    #5017
    Madeleine Birchfield
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    As of yesterday, five, one of whom may have been shot by the police, and two others of whom were protestors.

    This compares with more than a thousand people killed by the police during 2019, which was not an untypical year. Clearly, the phenomenon against which the protests are directed is far more lethal than the protests themselves.

    Yes but properties and businesses were destroyed so the police/military must intervene to protect the remaining properties and businesses. /s


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    #5018
    davedanon
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    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    How many dead again?

    Not quite sure, but the cops are racking up the kills. Protestors yet to get off the mark.


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    #5019
    Tokyo
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    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Oooh sweeping statment, Overheal will be back any second now with a stat from a website sponsored by mustache oil and soy products.
    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Overheal said he will have insurance so its ok.

    Mod: @Hunky Monster, @Woodsie1 - quit it with this kind of crap. If your argument is as strong as you say it is, then argue the point.


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    #5020
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    How many deaths were in Charlottesville and all the attention that got. Was it 1?
    The same ones that were making the loudest noise about that are now trying to play down the deaths in this situation. Odd.


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    #5021
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,455 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There have been reports of rapes have there not?

    no, some pillaging going on though


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    #5022
    Overheal
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    Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »
    Yes but properties and businesses were destroyed so the police/military must intervene to protect the remaining properties and businesses. /s

    Most departments cracked it over the weekend: kneel with the people. Talk with them. Maintain the dialog. Most of them all want the same thing. The vast majority of cops are good cops, and a lot of them openly condemned the arrest/killing. Unfortunately, we don’t see this from police often. A lot of the time they stay quiet. But the Floyd case is very clear and people are forced to ask how is this allowed to happen and, largely in the US, why does it keep happening? There are good trained departments out there with very low incident rates that show it can be done and yes, it shows that departments certainly can improve.


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    #5023
    statesaver
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    davedanon wrote: »
    Not quite sure, but the cops are racking up the kills. Protestors yet to get off the mark.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1267823788143423489/video/1


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    #5024
    Overheal
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    davedanon wrote: »
    Not quite sure, but the cops are racking up the kills. Protestors yet to get off the mark.

    I’ve heard about one of the cops being knifed. 4 shot in St Louis.


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    #5025
    begbysback
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Maybe we will yet see Americas Tiananmen square moment...

    Well a few factors would be required, an unsympathetic president, a willing military, and oppressed protesters.

    Not beyond the realms of possibility.


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    #5026
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »
    Yes but properties and businesses were destroyed so the police/military must intervene to protect the remaining properties and businesses. /s

    Properties and businesses being far more important than human life, yes?


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    #5027
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    no, some pillaging going on though

    Yeah..no, can't find anything about them yet, but I heard some talking head saying there were reports of a couple anyway..

    Probably early for proper reporting on everything..

    There has been pillaging alright..


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    #5028
    Woodsie1
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    davedanon wrote: »
    Properties and businesses being far more important than human life, yes?

    There has been people killed defending these properties and businesses,not sure what your point is.


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    #5029
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    davedanon wrote: »
    Not quite sure, but the cops are racking up the kills. Protestors yet to get off the mark.

    You must have missed the last few pages.


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    #5030
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,772 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The other thing you see a glaring lack of is the military cosplay. Most everyone is unarmed. Not like the Virginia protests: the message there was ‘mess with our gun laws and we will use our guns’ - speaking of casual domestic terrorism..


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    #5031
    Tell me how
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    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    You keep calling them "protests".

    They're riots.

    Twitter is currently trending with reports from LA, Baltimore, New York, with no evidence of looting.

    If a thousand people march, and 5 people break windows, that's a protest, not a riot.


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    #5032
    Madeleine Birchfield
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Madeleine Birchfield


    davedanon wrote: »
    Properties and businesses being far more important than human life, yes?

    See also: The Republican Party's reaction towards covid-19.


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    #5033
    [Deleted User]
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    So did Trump quell the riots in one night?


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    #5034
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    There has been people killed defending these properties and businesses,not sure what your point is.

    My point is that people like you are more concerned about property damage than George ****ing Floyd, and the 168 (on average) mostly unarmed black people killed by cops every year in the US for the last several decades. That's my point.


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    #5035
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    You must have missed the last few pages.

    Sorry. Every time I saw your name I lapsed into a temporary coma.


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    #5036
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Twitter is currently trending with reports from LA, Baltimore, New York, with no evidence of looting.

    If a thousand people march, and 5 people break windows, that's a protest, not a riot.

    Ah so its grand we will just ignore all the videos of rioting and looting,videos of a black man lying dead on the street after protecting his shop,of a black woman asking why her black life doesnt matter after her shop was looted...cop on as a mod told me


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    #5037
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So did Trump quell the riots in one night?

    :pac::D We were just settling down; don't wind them up


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    #5038
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So did Trump quell the riots in one night?


    No.


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    #5039
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,772 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Twitter is currently trending with reports from LA, Baltimore, New York, with no evidence of looting.

    If a thousand people march, and 5 people break windows, that's a protest, not a riot.

    That’s how I feel. Though to be fair the first few nights they burned down quite a lot.


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    #5040
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    davedanon wrote: »
    My point is that people like you are more concerned about property damage than George ****ing Floyd, and the 168 (on average) mostly unarmed black people killed by cops every year in the US for the last several decades. That's my point.

    People like me?
    Waste of time talking to people like you.


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    #5041
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users Posts: 17,452 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    davedanon wrote: »
    Sorry. Every time I saw your name I lapsed into a temporary coma.

    You're entitled to read posts selectively, which you appear to doing if you just think its the police killing people.


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