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George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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    #6392
    Red for Danger
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭Red for Danger


    cdeb wrote: »
    Higher than 10% for boards users?

    But when I ask you to pick one out, you can't?

    I don't think your judgement is as good as you make it out to be. I think you're just picking numbers out of thin air tbh.

    Yeah higher 10% of boards users think black lives dont matter in my opinion.
    Ive already addessed your 2nd question. Someone who thinks black lives dont matter would be very dishonest - i dont think you can argue with that.
    Therefore being dishonest their not going to openly say black lives dont matter .
    How many people do you think hold the opinion that black lives dont matter?


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    #6393
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    cdeb wrote: »
    Where did I say that? (Hint - I didn't)

    Why would you try attribute a comment to me that I haven't remotely said?

    Why do you honestly think it makes sense to put words into my mouth like that? It is a really pig-ignorant way of debating.

    There is a lot to protest about. That's why I praised the clarity of the google docs report documenting police brutality in all of this (which just listed events, and didn't try bring race into it). That's why I've previously commented that societal issues are a big factor - we all know what American ultra-capitalism (for want of a better phrase) is like in terms of the way it creates and treats its poor.

    These are things to be protested. But by making all it about race, the real issues get hidden. That's the point I've been making all along.

    I was asking a genuine question, I didn't put words in your mouth, I haven't read all your posts.

    I absolutely take your point about police brutality been a major problem but in America it seems to be impossible to distinguish race from inequality and societal issues.
    Crime follows poverty and neglect, and in America poverty and neglect is widespread in black communities. Not exclusively, I know that.

    Therefore black people in these areas feel the brunt of the police brutality. Which results in lost lives, unnecessarily.

    Solving police brutality would be a massive jump, but the long term inequality issues are just as important.


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    #6394
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    joe40 wrote: »
    I was asking a genuine question, I didn't put words in your mouth, I haven't read all your posts.

    I absolutely take your point about police brutality been a major problem but in America it seems to be impossible to distinguish race from inequality and societal issues.
    Crime follows poverty and neglect, and in America poverty and neglect is widespread in black communities. Not exclusively, I know that.

    Therefore black people in these areas feel the brunt of the police brutality. Which results in lost lives, unnecessarily    .

    Solving police brutality would be a massive jump, but the long term inequality issues are just as important.

    I would say that's only half the story.

    Black people are constantly discriminated against. Some overtly, some covertly, some may never experience a level of racism that effects the course of their lives, some will have their lives irreparably damaged.

    It's not limited to black people who suffer poverty and neglect, it's always there in some form.


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    #6395
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    most parents cant control a four year old child and the left seem to think you can control a mass of angy looters by taking a knee.

    In the Utopia of the imagination of social justice warriors the glass from all the windows smashed by the peacful protestors is re-cycled into glass wands that are deployed to the police who then wave them about with love and magic dispensed to all.

    That waffle might make sense to you, but I haven’t a clue what your on about.


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    #6396
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    2u2me wrote: »
    The cop should not have pushed the protestor.
    Do you know the Code of conduct for the riot police?

    They DO have power to push the protestors if they obstruct the movement.


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    #6397
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    I would say that's only half the story.

    Black people are constantly discriminated against. Some overtly, some covertly, some may never experience a level of racism that effects the course of their lives, some will have their lives irreparably damaged.

    It's not limited to black people who suffer poverty and neglect, it's always there in some form.

    Yeah I can agree with that. Racism of all types can be insidious.


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    #6398
    RIGOLO
    Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    That waffle might make sense to you, but I haven’t a clue what your on about.

    In breaking news , it has been reported that 100% of the people who stayed at home watching Netflix, bonding with their children , reading them bed time stories and cooking up their favourite dish were NOT injured during a riot in their city.

    Scientists are baffled by this phenomenom , how can they not have been injured social distancing from confronting police officers in the dead of night during tense standoffs.

    Some have postulated it may have somethign todo with staying at home and looking after their family , others think its just another example of white supremacy and male privelege.

    We expect a thesis or 10 to come out of it... stay tuned


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    #6399
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    People are protesting Racism. which in the US is the systemic racism that has kept (mainly) blacks oppressed for years now.

    Part of the systemic racism, and a major part of it is the treatment Black people receive from the police all around the country. As a evidence pretty clearly by the knee on George Floyd, as if that needed to be said.

    The fact that these protests have shown multiple instances of this police brutality that is being protested against has only compounded the View of most people and gives protesters no reason to stop.

    What’s more worrying is that The leadership in the US has no idea how to tackle this protesting. They don’t understand the problem to even contemplate a solution. When MLk was shot it took them 6 days to being in the civil rights act. There hasn’t been any talk of anything changing since this incident occurred


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    #6400
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    I would say that's only half the story.

    Black people are constantly discriminated against. Some overtly, some covertly, some may never experience a level of racism that effects the course of their lives, some will have their lives irreparably damaged.

    It's not limited to black people who suffer poverty and neglect, it's always there in some form.

    George Floyd was arrested for committing a crime, not for being black.


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    #6401
    josip
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭josip


    na1 wrote: »
    George Floyd was arrested for committing a crime, not for being black.

    Already guilty, eh ?


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    #6402
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    In breaking news , it has been reported that 100% of the people who stayed at home watching Netflix, bonding with their children , reading them bed time stories and cooking up their favourite dish were NOT injured during a riot in their city.

    Scientists are baffled by this phenomenom , how can they not have been injured social distancing from confronting police officers in the dead of night during tense standoffs.

    Some have postulated it may have somethign todo with staying at home and looking after their family , others think its just another example of white supremacy and male privelege.

    We expect a thesis or 10 to come out of it... stay tuned
    Nobody is talking about the riots, we're talking about the protests.

    Nobody should be injured during a peaceful protest.

    If you can't decouple protests from riots then again, what's the point of joining in this discussion?


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    #6403
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    na1 wrote: »
    George Floyd was arrested for committing a crime, not for being black.

    And was he killed for that crime? Or was he a victim of a racist attack.

    Why were white protesters with guns allowed to occupy government buildings two weeks ago, while majority black protesters on the streets are pepper sprayed and beaten?


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    #6404
    RIGOLO
    Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    People are protesting Racism. which in the US is the systemic racism that has kept (mainly) blacks oppressed for years now.

    Part of the systemic racism, and a major part of it is the treatment Black people receive from the police all around the country. As a evidence pretty clearly by the knee on George Floyd, as if that needed to be said.

    The fact that these protests have shown multiple instances of this police brutality that is being protested against has only compounded the View of most people and gives protesters no reason to stop.

    What’s more worrying is that The leadership in the US has no idea how to tackle this protesting. They don’t understand the problem to even contemplate a solution. When MLk was shot it took them 6 days to being in the civil rights act. There hasn’t been any talk of anything changing since this incident occurred

    yep it was the white man that made the black man go out and shoot 1000 plus other black men in Chicago so far this year.
    It was the white mans systemic racism that made the black man go out and shoot over 2000 other black men last year in Chicago

    the only thing systemic about whats goign on is that the Democrats who run the bulk of these cities are systemically inept at running anything....
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html

    It was the white man systemic racism that made my dinner go cold... who can I contact on this


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    #6405
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    josip wrote: »
    Already guilty, eh ?

    This is your worlds not mine!

    Can you provide a proof of a racial discrimination in this case please?


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    #6406
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    And was he killed for that crime? Or was he a victim of a racist attack.
    1) he wasn't killed.
    2) he wan't attacked on the racial background (unless you can prove otherwise?)


    Was Justine Damond shot by a racist?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond


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    #6407
    josip
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭josip


    na1 wrote: »
    This is your worlds not mine!
    ...

    No, they are your words.
    na1 wrote: »
    George Floyd was arrested for committing a crime, not for being black.

    The normal terminology would be "arrested in connection with a crime" or similar.
    Saying "arrested for committing a crime" implies a prejudgment of guilt.


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    #6408
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    josip wrote: »

    The normal terminology would be "arrested in connection with a crime" or similar.
    Saying "arrested for committing a crime" implies a prejudgment of guilt.

    I see, you're enforcing lawyers terminology in this thread?
    Then why are you calling the police officers guilty, while they ARE NOT?
    4 police officers were fired and one arrested "in connection with a crime".
    Why everybody calling them criminals and demand the strict punishment?


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    #6409
    josip
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭josip


    na1 wrote: »
    ...
    Then why are you calling the police officers guilty, while they ARE NOT?
    4 police officers were fired and one arrested "in connection with a crime".
    Why everybody calling them criminals and demand the strict punishment?

    I have never commented on the above, perhaps other posters did.
    My point was about your telling phraseology.


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    #6410
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    na1 wrote: »
    George Floyd was arrested for committing a crime, not for being black.

    He wasn't arrested though, as being arrested involves being taken into custody. The cops killed him before that could happen, which the independent autopsy has confirmed.


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    #6411
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,914 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Where are the orders coming from to attack peaceful protesters ? Filtering down from the White House? We've not seen such acts of assaults by police on women, kids, elderly in the past, yet in last weeks we've seen 100's of these attacks by police caught on tape. All innocent people, protesting, or minding their own business.

    A pensioner goes to talk to a cop, and they push him down forcefully, smashing his head on the ground, he might not live, and they go off to get a fcking doughnut?


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    #6412
    RIGOLO
    Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    josip wrote: »
    No, they are your words.



    The normal terminology would be "arrested in connection with a crime" or similar.
    Saying "arrested for committing a crime" implies a prejudgment of guilt.

    not really , thats just a cooloquialism we all use

    but then again , the social justice warriors also moonlight as the grammar and punctuation police, lets add phraseology to the list of things they claim ownership of who,where,what,when and how a thing may be discussed. Its not called totalitairism for nothing.


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    #6413
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    In breaking news , it has been reported that 100% of the people who stayed at home watching Netflix, bonding with their children , reading them bed time stories and cooking up their favourite dish were NOT injured during a riot in their city.

    Scientists are baffled by this phenomenom , how can they not have been injured social distancing from confronting police officers in the dead of night during tense standoffs.

    Some have postulated it may have somethign todo with staying at home and looking after their family , others think its just another example of white supremacy and male privelege.

    We expect a thesis or 10 to come out of it... stay tuned


    The only way to follow up two paragraphs of nonsense is with 4.


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    #6414
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    The issue here appears to be turning into one about police brutality in a broader sense more so than of blacks


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    #6415
    RIGOLO
    Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Where are the orders coming from to attack peaceful protesters ? Filtering down from the White House? We've not seen such acts of assaults by police on women, kids, elderly in the past, yet in last weeks we've seen 100's of these attacks by police caught on tape. All innocent people, protesting, or minding their own business.

    A pensioner goes to talk to a cop, and they push him down forcefully, smashing his head on the ground, he might not live, and they go off to get a fcking doughnut?

    Minding your own business, is sitting at home with nachos watching The Crown.

    Standing in front of a police line is only minding your own business if your a social justice warrior.


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    #6416
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,198 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    joe40 wrote: »
    I was asking a genuine question, I didn't put words in your mouth, I haven't read all your posts.
    You absolutely put words in my mouth. You said "So just to be clear, are you saying [something I never came close to saying]" That is putting words in my mouth as clear as day.
    joe40 wrote: »
    Crime follows poverty and neglect, and in America poverty and neglect is widespread in black communities. Not exclusively, I know that.

    Therefore black people in these areas feel the brunt of the police brutality. Which results in lost lives, unnecessarily.

    Solving police brutality would be a massive jump, but the long term inequality issues are just as important.
    I would agree with that entirely.

    But none of it is racist.


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    #6417
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,198 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    People are protesting Racism. which in the US is the systemic racism that has kept (mainly) blacks oppressed for years now.

    Part of the systemic racism, and a major part of it is the treatment Black people receive from the police all around the country. As a evidence pretty clearly by the knee on George Floyd, as if that needed to be said.
    And this is the problem - you tell one person "No - the police killed a white person in the exact same way and got away with it", and then another person comes along to try make the same point again.

    The whole argument becomes something that people just accept to be true without any sort of rational analysis.


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    #6418
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,914 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I'm so surprised from the restraints of the protesters in the midst of such obvious abuse of power. The right to bear arms was all about the people governing the people they elect, and if those elected abused their power the people rose up.

    The right to bear arms means little, when the President uses attack helicopters and the man on the street has a pistol.


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    #6419
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,914 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Minding your own business, is sitting at home with nachos watching The Crown.

    Standing in front of a police line is only minding your own business if your a social justice warrior.


    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


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    #6420
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    yep it was the white man that made the black man go out and shoot 1000 plus other black men in Chicago so far this year.
    It was the white mans systemic racism that made the black man go out and shoot over 2000 other black men last year in Chicago

    the only thing systemic about whats goign on is that the Democrats who run the bulk of these cities are systemically inept at running anything....
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html

    It was the white man systemic racism that made my dinner go cold... who can I contact on this


    Wait let me try and make sense of this one.

    Because homicides happen Racism doesn’t?


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    #6421
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    josip wrote: »
    I have never commented on the above, perhaps other posters did.

    My point was about your telling phraseology.

    OK, so what is all this topic about?
    The black guy died in hospital in some un-investigated circumstances.
    There were NO police offences made! Not even talking about any racial discrimination.


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